- Location
- New England
Heh, gives "missing the boat" a whole new meaning.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Heh, gives "missing the boat" a whole new meaning.
- Location
- Wall Gazing
Given the projected timeline for the first wave of Frigates (whose yards we completed last turn) and Merchantman Conversions (if they finish this coming turn) has them rolling off the line in the first two quarters of 2061, I respectfully disagree.
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The most frigates we could possibly have ready in time for Q2 2061 landings is ~20 I believe, absolutely fresh with no experience and the bare minimum of shakedowns, if construction goes as fast as possible and takes 9 months (and I can almost promise that it will not go as fast as possible on the very first tranche of a new hull design that no shipwright in the GDI has ever built). Add another two dozen-ish merchant conversions and we could have up to 40-50 new hulls in the water by Q2 2061, but I really don't think that's going to be enough to reverse the navy's confidence slide. Especially since it's entirely possible that we lose 40-50 escort hulls over the next 9 months of intensive warfare so all our new builds are just treading water replacing losses instead of bulking out the navy.
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Decim
On again, off again lurker.
- Location
- St. Louis, MO
Well, raiding and sabotage aside, I'm still quite happy with the progress made on Steel Vanguard. The Noddies in Western Europe are continuing ro be ground into dust by the advance of GDI. We've pushed them back to having a strip of land maybe 300-400 km wide. The chance to completely close a front for good is tantalizingly within reach.
- Location
- Wall Gazing
Yes, and we will see what our losses actually are over the course of the next two turns. If they are significant and we are just treading water or worse losing ground, then Karachi would not be viable, if not it might be. Either way, we need large, die conservative, investments in our shipyards in order to get as many of them online as soon as possible to repair our error in leaving them so late. Honestly, thinking about it, we might need to delay the consumables production to Q4 just to spread the dice a bit more and push as many of the yards towards completion as possible. Something like a die on Battleship Yards and Carrier Conversions each, and 3 on a normal Carrier yard and another Frigate yard each. That spread gives a 95% chance for the conversions and a ~70% chance of at least one of the other yards completing, and puts the ones that don't within 1 die reach of completion in Q4.
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The merchantman conversions are not going to be enough on their own to free up more dedicated units for a Karachi landing, and we won't have frigates until at least end of Q2 2061:
-so pardon my cynicism.
I did notice that some of the South American Red Zone was pushed back in areas not under our control. I want to say we've deployed an Inhibitor in that RZ, but I'm unsure.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We have.
Tib progression gif (to Q2 2060)
While Gideon did score a victory (or at least seems to have based on the dice rolls) it has not in any way reversed his fortunes. Given the situation in NA, I'd call him a solidly B tier warlord now. There is no longer a NA Brotherhood. There is a East Coast faction led by Giddy, a Mexican/West Coast group led by Mondragón and a Canadian splinter led by Major. This makes NA interesting, if not necessarily more problematic. Giddy is Giddy, so nothing new there, but his tech-guy being a somewhat more pragmatic sort isn't great news. Major seems like she could be a problem if she manages to establish regular contact with Krukov, since her thing seems to be having money to buy stuff with. While Alaska being Blue makes the lines over to Eurasia a bit more complicated, Nod (as we were told in this update) runs subs under the Arctic, which means contact isn't as hard as one might have hoped. Still, neither of the three Brotherhoods are a major power and can hopefully be dealt with individually.
In more positive news, welooted found some Nod shield-tech. I'm looking forward to seeing a write-up for it. I'm curious to see if it is Nod's own tech or if they X-comed some Visitor shields. In either case, seeing what choices Nod made in their design can only help our own efforts. I'm also hoping the harvesting claws gets to a workable state fairly quickly. The sooner we can start revamping our harvesting and mining operations the better. Also, if I'm reading the Tick and Nuuk blurbs correctly, did our new diggers get merged into Nuuk rather than getting a deployment project of their own? If so, neat!
The medical situation isn't great, but the only one to blame for it is the dice. If our rolls hadn't been so abysmal, we would have been fine.
Food is fine, but we can't afford to slack of. Logistics is a bigger concern, but is holding for now. Still, if we can somehow magic up some dice and resources for shuttles I'd feel better, as they seem to be entirely outside Nod's ability to touch.
In terms of projects for next turn, maybe we should focus more dice on GZ intensification over YZ expansion to solidify our hold over the new territory and more directly counter stay-behind forces and not overextend? On the other hand that would mean slowing our rate of advance and giving Nod's regular forces a chance to catch their breath. For military, it looks like we might want to go 1 die on plasma missiles, one or two on shells and the rest on wingmen and navy. The shell situation seems to be of little immediate concern, but it would be nice to get ahead and avert the situation before it becomes a crisis.
In more positive news, we
The medical situation isn't great, but the only one to blame for it is the dice. If our rolls hadn't been so abysmal, we would have been fine.
Food is fine, but we can't afford to slack of. Logistics is a bigger concern, but is holding for now. Still, if we can somehow magic up some dice and resources for shuttles I'd feel better, as they seem to be entirely outside Nod's ability to touch.
In terms of projects for next turn, maybe we should focus more dice on GZ intensification over YZ expansion to solidify our hold over the new territory and more directly counter stay-behind forces and not overextend? On the other hand that would mean slowing our rate of advance and giving Nod's regular forces a chance to catch their breath. For military, it looks like we might want to go 1 die on plasma missiles, one or two on shells and the rest on wingmen and navy. The shell situation seems to be of little immediate concern, but it would be nice to get ahead and avert the situation before it becomes a crisis.
- Location
- Wall Gazing
Your cynicism is understandable given the navy's current straits, and I agree that it is looking increasingly unlikely. However, NOD's own operations and their strategic endurance are part of the equation. Can they maintain their current tempo of raids? What are their losses and how quickly can they repair and replace them? Our initial Intelligence briefings prior to the Regency War kicking off explicitly laid out that NOD has a limited backline and endurance in the face of the GDI's industry. The scale of that endurance and in what sectors is less clear. As such, I don't think Karachi in 2061 should be discarded as an option just yet, not until Q1 2061, when we will have a much clearer view of what we can or cannot accomplish in the last year of our current FYP. In the meantime, in order to get the navy back on track, we should heavily invest in getting the shipyards complete with the minimum dice possible. This still applies whether or not Karachi is viable in 2061.
- Location
- The Underdark
That is inhibitor plus marvs, the thing is inhibitors and marvs does not equal green zone. They can push back the red, they can't make it into green, because Green is about being able to put actual civil control in the area.
Our bad luck with red zone rolls makes it hard to realise but we're actually doing a great job here.A Gif of the Tib progression, it doesn't look like much on a global scale necessarily but every bit counts.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Seeing Yellow Zone turn to Green, then Blue, is quite something. We've really been pushing strong these past few turns.
I agree with you about funding the navy more. That is essential, both to complete our plan goal of getting every carrier out before the end date and to get some frigates out before the (hopeful) end of the war.
That being said, your hope that Nod can't keep up this raid tempo is unlikely. Bintang has had decades focusing almost entirely on her navy and we can't count on every other warlord having neglected theirs. All they need is another turn or two of these raids and unless we somehow blow up bintang's entire fleet with some ridiculous dice rolls Karachi 2061 will be effectively impossible.
We already should look at reducing our plan commitments for the food reserve due to the immigration waves incoming and the earlier we can do that the better, because it allows us to know how to spend our dice for the plan in the best way possible. Doing so for food now and then having to repeat it for Karachi later is inefficient.
My view on Karachi Needs:
High Naval Confidence
High Air Force Confidence
All three current Frigate Yards
All Major CVL Yards
Himalayas BZ SMARV Hub
Wingmen Drones Orca and Firehawk
At least 1 Additional Apollo Factory
Zone Armor (at least 3 phases)
Which means Karachi is in limbo for the next 2 years at best, it could be more, depends on how well our rolls go and how much of a beating we take in the War.
High Naval Confidence
High Air Force Confidence
All three current Frigate Yards
All Major CVL Yards
Himalayas BZ SMARV Hub
Wingmen Drones Orca and Firehawk
At least 1 Additional Apollo Factory
Zone Armor (at least 3 phases)
Which means Karachi is in limbo for the next 2 years at best, it could be more, depends on how well our rolls go and how much of a beating we take in the War.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
So yeah just finished reading this and ok South America is hurting us(damn you mad lad Stahl) but the rest of the war is in our favor which is something I like to see.
*Inb4 we drop 7 new SMARVs in SA just for Stahl's annoying actions*
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
Stahl's such a mad lad at this point that would only cause him to move to North America and replace Giddy boy.
High Navy confidence is at least 3 years out, because even if we build all the CVL yards next turn, they won't actually present us with any products for two years, and we'll probably want more than just the first wave of them to secure High Confidence. Heck, High Confidence probably requires more ships than we currently have designed, since that's the threshold of going out and taking random islands off NOD's hands and then holding them.
- Location
- Mobile, Alabama
I mean your joking but a full court press with MARVs would be a bad time for him. Something to consider after major combat operations are done I suppose. Maybe not all of them but more of them to tweak the guy might not be out of line.
- Location
- Wall Gazing
Yes, we should look at reducing our plan commitments for food. Even Parliament is saying that. Also you're right in that we should only renegotiate plan reductions once, which is why I think we should do it in Q1 2061 when we'll have a much clearer picture on what is viable, not just for Food or Karachi, but also Capital Goods and Enterprise, both of which are on very shaky ground with how much investment we need in Heavy and Orbital Industry, especially now that its looking like we would need roughly 3 phases of Fusion to keep our grid in the black for the former with all the shipyards and factories, while the latter has been on the edge since the beginning of the Plan.
I wouldn't characterize my uncertainty on NOD's strategic depth as 'hope'. As you said, they need another turn or two of similar level of raiding to close off 2061 Karachi completely, and until we see how the War unfolds over the those two turns Karachi isn't something we should close off prematurely. Its benefits for connecting to BZ-18 and acting as a FOB for our presence in the Indian Subcontinent and Ocean are significant.
In any event, come Q1 2061, we should evaluate what we can and cannot accomplish over the last quarter of the FYP and renegotiate all of the latter at once. If that includes Karachi, I will accept that without complaint. But because it is not just the Food Reserve and Karachi that are potential things on the chopping block, but also our Heavy and Orbital Industry commitments, we should wait until we have a clearer picture on what we can or cannot achieve.
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- Location
- The Underdark
Since people are still arguing about this, I will say two things.
1. If you renegotiate Karachi it will not vanish off the list, or lock or do anything like that. It will still be there if you decide in Q1 or Q2, or theoretically Q4, that you can do this.
2. Even if the Navy is low confidence now, there is always a chance that either through ground actions (like closing off significant raider ports) or through seriously bad naval rolls for the Brotherhood, you could still manage something in Karachi, even if it is not the full range.
1. If you renegotiate Karachi it will not vanish off the list, or lock or do anything like that. It will still be there if you decide in Q1 or Q2, or theoretically Q4, that you can do this.
2. Even if the Navy is low confidence now, there is always a chance that either through ground actions (like closing off significant raider ports) or through seriously bad naval rolls for the Brotherhood, you could still manage something in Karachi, even if it is not the full range.