Wiadi
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Is there any reason not to explain?
Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles
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Is there any reason not to explain?
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How do you figure?
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Wiadi
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Do you have literally any evidence for this allegation, or a way to establish that it'd mean I'm Scum if true, let alone to sufficient confidence that we should pass over near-confirmed Scum?
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I saw you visit @Byzantine the night their coin went missing. But you're scum just because the number of basically confirmed people leaves no room for you not to be.
The fact Tykan ended the day leading the vote doesn't mean they were the one who actually invoked the blade since hail (pretty sure that's you team mate) was leading only a little earlier, as were I and Zaealix at one point. I mean he just about has to be scum, but only for the same reasons you and hail have to be. there just isn't room for you to be town.
Wiadi
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Oh? And which night would that be?
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Night 2.
Wiadi
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You mean the night I claimed to have been roped, and got no counter-claims? Yeah, nice try.
But hey, let's be charitable and assume you're not just blatantly lying here. Did you Watch or Track to obtain this information?
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If you or your team mate have the rope, the lack of a counterclaim isn't surprising. And being able to visit without an item is even more incriminating.
Watched Byzantine.
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That presupposes that my hypothetical team refrained from using the rope on anyone just to set up what was, at the time, a relatively pointless fakeclaim. Or that the real rope target just didn't feel the need to speak up for some reason.
Anyway, if you're claiming to have Watched then this is in fact just a lie - if it had been Tracking then a Coin could have misdirected you, but as it stands, there's no such charitable explanation.
Also, regarding this bit:
You still haven't sourced your assertion that Scia softclaimed Knight, let alone explained how this became "basically confirmed."
(plus of course from the perspective of the rest of us you could well be Scum, so while the two Scum teams are incentivized to hunt one another, any argument from you that rests on "well obviously I can't be Scum" is less than persuasive)
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Or you are a demon and were using the token instead of the rope that night.
And you can deny it, obviously, I mean I can't show people the results I got without getting modkilled, but I know you have it. And I know you're scum. If you aren't scum it means one of Byzantine, Scia, or Zaealix is and then town is already screwed so that it hardly matters.
I'll have to hunt up the exact quote later, but she strongly suggests a night could have eaten the missing nightkill night1.
As for how it is confirmed, no one has counterclaimed and the alternative is improbable. If there is no second human knight, there is also no additional survivor. There is an 80% chance we do in fact have a survivor. And Byzantine had no means of ensuring their wasn't an actual survivor who could counterclaim when they claimed to be a survivor.
So the possibilities are town is very unlucky and Byzantine is extremely reckless scum who got quite lucky, Scia ia scum and somebody else just forgot to counterclaim, or Scia is a knight.
If you think that is wrong you should be voting for Byzantine, because the only way that's not the case is they are scum that has played town extremely well.
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See, here's my problem.
Hail's been pretty good about not being obvious about the Scum thing. So I find his sudden overt accusing everyone and anyone he can now suspicious. LIke he's trying to draw attention and get the lynch off him.
But my BIGGER problem is figuring out which scum team is which. And that, from the outside, when I don't even have clues from the likes of Shalmoa to use? Ooof.
Hail's been pretty good about not being obvious about the Scum thing. So I find his sudden overt accusing everyone and anyone he can now suspicious. LIke he's trying to draw attention and get the lynch off him.
But my BIGGER problem is figuring out which scum team is which. And that, from the outside, when I don't even have clues from the likes of Shalmoa to use? Ooof.
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At this point, I think town has basically won the game, so long as we can keep town/survivor nightkills down to no more than one a night, or take scum out with us. And I think we have the tools to do that. But a Ferryman's Coin is one of the few things that could actually leave us vulnerable during night phases. So I'd rather take that item out of circulation as soon as possible.
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I think it is Wiadi and Hail on one team and Tykan and Happerry on the other but that is just a gut feeling, not something I can prove.
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That's...not the level of claim where a counterclaim is a good idea. Counterclaiming Knight only makes sense if you can use it to catch out Scum; Scia's claim there (if it even was one) is easily soft enough to write off as speculation, so all a Knight claim in response would do is paint a target on someone's back for the Demons to Strongman. In light of which:
I really wouldn't call this confirmation. And to be clear, per my earlier statement, @Scia if you are our remaining Knight please don't hardclaim it yet. We already have a Scum to kill today; we can sort the rest out tomorrow, and avoid giving the Demons a Strongman target for tonight.
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@Scia the reason they are requesting you not hardclaim is so they can pretend their some possibility that you're scum and the scum are actually town. The scum alnmost certainly know who's who so this doesn't actually benefit town in any way. The only thing it does is allow them to obfuscate that the numbers don't leave any room for multiuple humans.
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Going to be afk for a while playing video games with the missus. I'll most likely check back in this evening before bed.
See y'all later!
See y'all later!
Wiadi
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All I've got right now is that Tykan is probably a Demon. Meso is trying hard enough to pull the vote onto someone else that he's probably the other Demon...can you see any reason for Fiends to be faking that connection? I can't but it's possible I'm missing an angle so another pair of eyes would be good.
Oh? Why's that?
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Because the Demons (or whatever the other team actually is, I am guessing Demons because the Fiends didn't have the Demon's Bane) haven't been subtle and you know who your team mate is.
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And with that I really am off.
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@mesonoxian is scum, but to whichever of you are actually town, it was close enough that it should be evident that this is extremely unlikely.
I didn't work through every possible Coin use, and I was assuming I couldn't have been switched with Nictis. Someone chaining them together might have gotten something like this, I'll need to work it out.
Okay, I'll explain my thought process. I'll assume that Zaealix and Byzantine are both town (or survivor acting like de-facto town), and see if I run into a contradiction. If Zaealix was switched by town then whoever switched them would have claimed to do so, because at least according to @Byzantine, doing so would have revealed scum. So town did not switch Zaealix, unless someone comes forward. I know a heal on me went through, which must have been performed by the either unclaimed staff, myself, or Tykan, although they didn't necessarily target me. I know I healed someone, and it wasn't my target, Nictis, and if Zaealix and Byzantine are town, then it couldn't have been Zaealix, either, since Byzantine targeted Zaealix with his Token and got a firestarter. I thought it couldn't have been me, for two reasons 1) I still had the 1x self-heal unused and 2) flavor implied someone else was healed me, therefore I thought it either had to be Scia, or Scia was scum lying and my heal landed somewhere else among scum, which would be equivalent, anyway.
Yesterday, Meso heavily implied that one scumteam (presumably his) had all of the remaining Ferryman's Coins. Given that he's the only player implicitly arguing for Tykan right now (by saying that the Blade might not have been used on Tykan), and given his behavior yesterday, I think Tykan's scumteam has to have all of the remaining Coins. Therefore, Tykan's heal wouldn't have been switched to anyone not on their scumteam, which assuming Zaealix is town can't have been me or Zaealix. Therefore only one source could have healed either me, someone switched with me, or someone switched with Zaealix, the one remaining unclaimed staff. Contradiction.
However, if town or scum switched me and Nictis, then my heal could have landed on myself. The flavor REALLY doesn't sound like it, (@ComiTurtle- am I allowed to quote my flavor here?), but that's the only thing I could have overlooked. I guess, if you're town and you switched me and Nictis, or you healed Zaealix, myself, or Scia, please claim now- I think clearing this up is probably more important than keeping the last staff a secret.
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Please don't quote any flavor you may have received. The flavor is mostly there for my fun, not for much game analysis.
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Okay, I apologize. I might have too much stock into the flavor implying I was healed by someone else.
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Major miscalculation. There is no reason to make this assumption.