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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles

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mesonoxian said:
Because the Demons (or whatever the other team actually is, I am guessing Demons because the Fiends didn't have the Demon's Bane) haven't been subtle and you know who your team mate is.
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...yeah, so the Scum don't actually have any way to pin down the remaining Knight unless you assume that meso is a Human.
hailcapital said:
Yesterday, Meso heavily implied that one scumteam (presumably his) had all of the remaining Ferryman's Coins. Given that he's the only player implicitly arguing for Tykan right now (by saying that the Blade might not have been used on Tykan), and given his behavior yesterday, I think Tykan's scumteam has to have all of the remaining Coins.
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This part of your argument is extremely weak. Why would meso imply that if his Scum team really did have all the remaining Coins? Do you seriously think it was just a really egregious slip? By far the simplest explanation of this situation is that the Coins are not, in fact, all concentrated in Tykan's team.
hailcapital said:
However, if town or scum switched me and Nictis, then my heal could have landed on myself. The flavor REALLY doesn't sound like it, (@ComiTurtle- am I allowed to quote my flavor here?), but that's the only thing I could have overlooked. I guess, if you're town and you switched me and Nictis, or you healed Zaealix, myself, or Scia, please claim now- I think clearing this up is probably more important than keeping the last staff a secret.
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As such, nobody claim this. Even if hail's not lying Scum (which is currently topping my own list of theories), revealing a Townie Coin and/or Staff is absolutely not worth it today, since again we have Tykan already lined up in our sights as Scum. At least keep the info secure for one more night.
 
Wiadi said:
As such, nobody claim this. Even if hail's not lying Scum (which is currently topping my own list of theories), revealing a Townie Coin and/or Staff is absolutely not worth it today, since again we have Tykan already lined up in our sights as Scum. At least keep the info secure for one more night.
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If we can solve the game now, then we'd be able to coordinate our night actions to protect our remaining power roles.
 
hailcapital said:
If we can solve the game now, then we'd be able to coordinate our night actions to protect our remaining power roles.
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Yeah, but we can't, because as I established earlier up the page we absolutely can't be confident in Tykan's team having all remaining Coins.
 
Byzantine said:
Hail is definitely scum.
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Yeah, at this point I'm pretty much 100% on hail, meso, and Tykan as 3 of our 4 remaining Scum. I'm just not sure who the last one is between Happerry and Scia, since I don't buy into meso's "Scia confirmed Knight" hypothesis.
 
Wiadi said:
This part of your argument is extremely weak. Why would meso imply that if his Scum team really did have all the remaining Coins? Do you seriously think it was just a really egregious slip? By far the simplest explanation of this situation is that the Coins are not, in fact, all concentrated in Tykan's team.
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Meso's been pretty open about trying to signal to the survivor. I'd entirely believe he was trying to discuss his teams capabilities with someone he thinks if an ally.
 
Byzantine said:
I'm not sure if that is an attempt to cover an ally or an attempt to shade town tbh.
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...oh come the fuck on, you explain how it's a good theory then.
hailcapital said:
Meso's been pretty open about trying to signal to the survivor. I'd entirely believe he was trying to discuss his teams capabilities with someone he thinks if an ally.
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In the middle of the thread, where everyone else can see it, not least the opposing Scum team? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Especially since right now you're not just trying to establish "this could've happened" but "this is so overwhelmingly likely to be what happened that it outweighs otherwise-believable claims from Byzantine and/or Zaealix."
 
Something that throws me off is that 3 or more deads where prevented last night.
I know I was not attacked and got burned by fire and not a faction kill.
Which raises the question , where are the kills?
 
Byzantine said:
Both demons and fiends keep trying to figure out what kind I am with these little "tricks", and so far I've avoided slipping. All that needs to be known is I am a survivor and so long as the scum team I am aligned against exists I will not say more. (Besides not being an orc, because D1 ruined that cover for me.)
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And yes Byz , staying silent is I would say the best course for you to ensure that we beat scum.
 
Wiadi said:
Yeah, at this point I'm pretty much 100% on hail, meso, and Tykan as 3 of our 4 remaining Scum. I'm just not sure who the last one is between Happerry and Scia, since I don't buy into meso's "Scia confirmed Knight" hypothesis.
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There is no world where there are two vanilla humans left alive and Byzantine is a survivor. Either we have one VT and a Knight or Byzantine isn't a survivor and we have three VTs.
 
Scia said:
Faction
Faction
Fire 1 (nictics)
Fire 2 ( me )
Fire X?
Because with 2+ firestarters only having doused 2 targets seems unlikely.
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Zaealix eas doused as well, that is one per night if scum only had one FS. The other possibility is that some of the early douse targets died along the way. We're down to half our original numbers, so half the doused players having died is not unrealistic.
 
mesonoxian said:
Zaealix eas doused as well, that is one per night if scum only had one FS. The other possibility is that some of the early douse targets died along the way. We're down to half our original numbers, so half the doused players having died is not unrealistic.
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Decent chance Nictis ate two douses as well. And cyric may have had one of the firestarters so the fiends got it late.
 
mesonoxian said:
There is no world where there are two vanilla humans left alive and Byzantine is a survivor. Either we have one VT and a Knight or Byzantine isn't a survivor and we have three VTs.
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Yeah, and? Having a second Knight doesn't mean that Knight has to be Scia. It's possible, but I don't buy into your theory that it's confirmed.
mesonoxian said:
Zaealix eas doused as well, that is one per night if scum only had one FS.
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Pretty sure you can't douse and ignite in the same night, so this is actually one more than if Scum only had a single Firestarter.
 
Unless of course a Townie with a Firestarter used it to douse someone.
 
Wiadi said:
Yeah, and? Having a second Knight doesn't mean that Knight has to be Scia. It's possible, but I don't buy into your theory that it's confirmed.


Pretty sure you can't douse and ignite in the same night, so this is actually one more than if Scum only had a single Firestarter.
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Re: the incineration: Good point, so it is probably that both teams had a FS and some of the doused bit along the way.

So your theory is that Happerry is the remaining Knight? If so, @Happerry should confirm that and we'll have outed Scia as scum.
 
Byzantine and Wiadi are real set on the idea that's it's a bad idea for town to try to solve or exchange mechanical information.
 
Byzantine said:
This insistence on trying to solve when it is detrimental to town to do so is not a good look.
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I mean, either we have already solved the game, or you're scum, there aren't really too many alternatives. I don't think you're scum, but I want to eliminate the pretense there is some wiggle room for plenty of townies running around.
 
There are 4 scum and four non-scum. Three town and five non-town. I don't think there is a lot of ambiguity about who they are, and scum must be even more certain.
 
mesonoxian said:
So your theory is that Happerry is the remaining Knight? If so, @Happerry should confirm that and we'll have outed Scia as scum.
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If I have any meaningful evidence as to the identity of the remaining Knight, I would not be revealing it at present, per my point about the importance of concealing that information.
mesonoxian said:
I mean, either we have already solved the game, or you're scum, there aren't really too many alternatives. I don't think you're scum, but I want to eliminate the pretense there is some wiggle room for plenty of townies running around.
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mesonoxian said:
There are 4 scum and four non-scum. Three town and five non-town. I don't think there is a lot of ambiguity about who they are, and scum must be even more certain.
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Meso, repeating "game is solved" over and over doesn't make it true. You've got nothing to prove you're Town and Scia isn't actually confirmed as a Knight.
 
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