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A Little Vice (Trans Magical Girl fic)

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I don't think Avaritia is replacing Gula's old snack stashes. Either she cleaned them up ages ago, or she's too afraid to touch them and just washes the grime and mold off of everywhere she feels safe scrubbing.
 
The trans C theorists in the in-universe fandom must be vindicated. The vampire!Invidia x Temperantia fics must be getting made by the droves.
"Ow! You bit me!?"
"I'm taking my blood back!"
I realize, since she considers her magical appearance built off inspiration from others "fake", she doesn't "appear" in mirrors by her definition.
GreatWyrmGold said:
I don't think Avaritia is replacing Gula's old snack stashes. Either she cleaned them up ages ago, or she's too afraid to touch them and just washes the grime and mold off of everywhere she feels safe scrubbing.
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Good lord, why.
 
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Because constantly replacing Gula's old snack stashes would be a waste of time and money, and it would just attract unwanted pests. Maybe zoraptera, ew.
(If that's not the part you were reacting to, maybe you could be more specific with your whys?)
 
Still, if they're just there rotting, might as well rescue what you can and burn the room.
(Yeah, the why was the food left there producing grime and mold)
 
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Because I thought that made a funny punchline to a discussion of what might have happened to Gula's abandoned snacks. It's an obviously ridiculous conclusion—a mess so disgusting that even Abyssal Beasts need to muster all their courage to merely approach.

Though given the supernatural nature of the Aybssal castle, it's possible that the mold is self-aware and capable of defending itself from bleach.
 
Koden said:
That makes me wonder,
Gula probably kept a lot of food in her room.
So if Avaritia is replacing what is there to keep the food fresh.
if it is not just thrown out how do you think Avaritia justifys donateing the food?
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Avaritia: "Look, I'm the personification of Greed, okay? I may not be able to put it away like Gula, but I got through her snack stashes eventually. Couldn't help myself!"
 
I really like that C has a chance to self actualize here re. looking at themselves and becoming exactly what they want to be; instead of what nature and the world has made of them.

Still has the problem of being wrapped up in what society and history and other people put on them, but being at least being as free as they are now they might be able to do some self introspection and decide if it's actually what they want instead of just being constantly crushed.
 
The Laurent said:
Superbia is a Jordan-Peterson-esque motherfucker, who terrorizes his subordinates and has to be TRICKED into not being actively transphobic. Ey apparently had to do the, "I'm so greedy so I want all the pronouns" deal to be accepted by him.
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The more I think about this line of yours the more I love it. Nice one. Amusing thought: Every one of the major sinners, perhaps including the Big Man, is somehow non-heteronormative and justifies it using their titular sin.

Avaritia: I am so greedy I want the pronouns!
Invidia: I envy the saints so much I molded my body and pronouns in their image to try feeling better.
Luxuria: Wearing girl's clothes makes me feel horny (I can't remember how much has been described about the actual past Luxuria in story, sorry)
Acedia: I'm too lazy to learn to cook or mind my manners like girls are supposed to.
Ira: I hate the patriarchy I'm going to violate it out of spite!
Superbia: I am better than everyone else, nobody can tell me I can't wear a flamboyant peacock dress to my victory celebration!

Only one I can't think of for how this would work is Gula. Any ideas?

Terrabrand said:
I think it's safe to assume that either or both of:

  • The school doesn't bother to contact C's dad when C misses class because monsters.
  • C's dad doesn't hold it against C when C misses class because of monsters.
Just because until C got hit with the seed of sin, C was constantly missing classes because monsters.
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I expect the latter, it would be rather worrying if a school didn't let parents know a monster attack had disrupted their child's education.

On another note, how much was Superbia's/Noir's physical appearance described in the story? Right now, given that evil councilor is also the devil, I'm imagining him looking like a black-haired version of the Coachman from Pinocchio.


View: https://youtu.be/lYbnjhJKc6Q?t=9
 
veteranMortal said:
I get this is probably true, but I think the funniest possible outcome would be for Inessa to simply let Invidia continue to live with her.

Off the clock is off the clock, and C can't exactly be expected to live with her dad or Avaritia's shitty uncle!
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This ends up happening in the alternate timeline where C ends up as a (somewhat confused but slightly better adjusted boymoder) Saint and Inessa and Ida (and Temperance and Lupin and technically Superbia but fuck him) are all Beasts and neither C nor Inessa has a fucking clue.
 
General_Urist said:
Luxuria: Wearing girl's clothes makes me feel horny (I can't remember how much has been described about the actual past Luxuria in story, sorry)
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Luxuria would be Dark Inessa, so while I'm sure she's perfectly capable of a burst of gender euphoria at looking pretty in girl's clothing, it wouldn't be a breach of cis-hetero-normativity for her to feel that way. :p

On another note, how much was Superbia's/Noir's physical appearance described in the story? Right now, given that evil councilor is also the devil, I'm imagining him looking like a black-haired version of the Coachman from Pinocchio.
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I'm pretty sure he looks like Jordan Peterson.
 
LampWitch said:
I don't think it was confirmed only one person per virtue/sin. I certainly don't see Superbia as having much potential as a Saint, would take the guy going through many changes. Could be a section of the population has Saint/Beast potential.
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Superbia tried to make C into a second Luxuria before he got Envy instead. So at least the Big Man thinks sinners can be repeated, and I doubt he's THAT badly wrong about how his powers work. Though there probably wasn't another one before Inessa, given there's not a second Chastity around.... hopefully.

I came up with the joke on the bus home I couldn't think of an example of lustful gender non-coformity that fit Inessa sorry.
 
Cloak&Dagger said:
What a minute, I thought this thread was a one-off! Is there a whole genre of 'stories in a generic fiction setting where we pretend it's part of a series but that series doesn't actually exist'?

Is there a whole trans main character version of that?!
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yeah, but frankly that one isn't very good. the author exists directly adjacent to the space of "we only have one character that we reuse for every single story, and she's the most unproblematic conventionally feminine transfem who is uwu soft girl with extremely mild autism" transfem web fiction, which is entertaining for a while but gets really tedious pretty quickly, as soon as you want to read about any other kind of protagonist. this isn't quite that, thankfully, the author is merely adjacent to that sphere rather than directly part of it, but their stuff has a lot of the same pitfalls.
 
DBDrake said:
I really like that C has a chance to self actualize here re. looking at themselves and becoming exactly what they want to be; instead of what nature and the world has made of them.

Still has the problem of being wrapped up in what society and history and other people put on them, but being at least being as free as they are now they might be able to do some self introspection and decide if it's actually what they want instead of just being constantly crushed.
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Also the problem of Superbia telling Invidia what he should be and Avaritia translating that message into something she'll find more palatable. And the problem that Invidia probably still hates herself as much as C, since they're the same person.


General_Urist said:
The more I think about this line of yours the more I love it. Nice one. Amusing thought: Every one of the major sinners, perhaps including the Big Man, is somehow non-heteronormative and justifies it using their titular sin.

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Only one I can't think of for how this would work is Gula. Any ideas?
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I mean, she is non-heteronormative and did leave for unspecified reasons.


Simon_Jester said:
General_Urist said:
On another note, how much was Superbia's/Noir's physical appearance described in the story? Right now, given that evil councilor is also the devil, I'm imagining him looking like a black-haired version of the Coachman from Pinocchio.
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I'm pretty sure he looks like Jordan Peterson.
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His dragon form has lobster claws.


AlicePresentHell said:
yeah, but frankly that one isn't very good. the author exists directly adjacent to the space of "we only have one character that we reuse for every single story, and she's the most unproblematic conventionally feminine transfem who is uwu soft girl with extremely mild autism" transfem web fiction, which is entertaining for a while but gets really tedious pretty quickly, as soon as you want to read about any other kind of protagonist. this isn't quite that, thankfully, the author is merely adjacent to that sphere rather than directly part of it, but their stuff has a lot of the same pitfalls.
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Pronouns are great, but they need some nouns to bounce off of.
("This" is a demonstrative pronoun and names are a type of noun; that statement works. Even if it ends with a preposition.)
 
@GreatWyrmGold , your sentence beginning with the word "pronouns" is grammatically valid, I agree. But it's kind of lacking in the "Simon can understand what it's trying to convey, in the context of the post it replies to" department. Could you unpack that?

General_Urist said:
Superbia tried to make C into a second Luxuria before he got Envy instead. So at least the Big Man thinks sinners can be repeated, and I doubt he's THAT badly wrong about how his powers work. Though there probably wasn't another one before Inessa, given there's not a second Chastity around.... hopefully.
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Uh, has there been a Luxuria so far? I can't remember one ever being mentioned.
 
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Luxuria would be the opposite of Castitas, and the show seems to run on a conservation of those slots so one wouldn't show up. I doubt that's an actual in universe rule so much as "the writers need to save Luxuria for an arc where inessa falls to sin or gets a more literal shadowy double" meta thing?

(The stronger case for demonstrating this is that Angelic Saint Humanitas is basically fully reserved for if C swaps teams and there's no writing room for introducing one, or even teasing that much of a candidate for one, because of that. Assuming the audience knows the sin - virtue pairings when it came up with temperance at least.)
 
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GreatWyrmGold said:
And the problem that Invidia probably still hates herself as much as C, since they're the same person.
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It feels like the difference between the sins and the virtues is really that virtues are made by thinking "it's ok to want this thing", while sins are "it's not ok to want this but I have the power to have it anyways".

Which means the nuance comes from the way that the virtues are how you need to be with yourself when you can finally name what's going on, but sin is how you push back against society's judgements: assert power against it.

So yeah- I really want to see C go from not being able to admit she wants what she dreams about, to admit to wanting it but thinking it is wrong, to thinking it is wrong but taking it anyways, to realizing it's *ok*.
 
AlicePresentHell said:
yeah, but frankly that one isn't very good. the author exists directly adjacent to the space of "we only have one character that we reuse for every single story, and she's the most unproblematic conventionally feminine transfem who is uwu soft girl with extremely mild autism" transfem web fiction, which is entertaining for a while but gets really tedious pretty quickly, as soon as you want to read about any other kind of protagonist. this isn't quite that, thankfully, the author is merely adjacent to that sphere rather than directly part of it, but their stuff has a lot of the same pitfalls.
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Sounds horrific. Absolutely awful. I hope to never read such trash.

What sites and specific stories should I avoid, to make sure I don't accidentally stumble across that?
 
Well, I discovered this thread today and devoured it. I'm going to bestow upon you the most positive review I possibly can, one I have only given once before, to Umineko no Naku Koro Ni.

*sighs and updates my pronouns*
 
Anyway, to join the speculation,

1) Did we ever figure out what happened to Patience outside of that one episode preview?

2) I definitely feel based on the backstory, Avaritia's characterization, and the repeated plot beat of Ida's character flaws that the "moral" here is a healthy balance between the "virtue" and the "sin". Pushing yourself to solely embody a virtue to the point of self-abnegation is just as unhealthy as losing yourself to sin, and "sinners" are often people who need to break society's rules for their own health. The endgame here is definitely moderation and recognition of nuance.

3) Gawr Gura. The entire gag with Temperance is she's Gawr Gura. You actual asshole.
 
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