I got the timezones wrong but this isnt too bad
FYI I go to work around this time and I will be afk for 7 ish hours but beginning next week is my vacation so will have more activity then
Even though they claimed they would be more active this week, I'm not in a position to complain. Even if I was though, everyone seems to be posting less during this day, so...
I dont know anybody here, what about the rest? Whove you played with, what do you think of their playstyle?
Why did you think 1K was sus?
Or a link would be fine too.
From what youve seen, what would you rather play as, town or scum?
Whats the difference between townNictis and mafNictis?
Not sure how Evenstar's dynamic with Pawn matters, Pawn is a GM for this game
@BanTheFairyKing
@-Rosen
What do you prefer playing as, maf or town?
There's a lot of questions from Est here, and maybe this is just me, but the question of "Do you prefer to play as scum or town" seems pretty useless for scumhunting. It's probably just Est trying to get aquainted with everyones play styles. Maybe. Or maybe just posting meaningless questions to seem more town then they are, or something. One could probably twist it either way. I'm not sure of the motivation behind the question either way.
Or maybe it's actually a good question, but I'm ignorant to it.
Judging by the reactions she received during the signups, I can see how charismatic she could possibly be
Or maybe its the meme power
Okay everyone, heading off to work brb
You seem nervous
terrible read incoming
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How classy of you
OK leaving for real this time
brb in 7 hrs
I see this is the sort of thread where if I take a dump and come back, suddenly there is a page or two
Give me 10 minutes to catch up to some quests, and Ill give my first serious reads when Im done catching up here
I have played before.
I have played before
Whoops, double quoted the same person
I need to move to a computer
I last played forum mafia 7 years ago.
I have a initial read to post, but first I need to answer my own question
Do I prefer town or mafia?
I prefer town, because I enjoy investigating more than information control.
NAI, short status updates mostly.
These were my reads during the first two pages before I left for work:
Rosen claimed to start taking investigation seriously but kept a fairly upbeat tone. Time will tell if this is hype for a new game or fake. Asked some questions, 2 of them seem irrelevant but his reasoning was okayish when i asked for clarification on 1 of them. made assumptions on yhe game, and did mafia 101 but there are new players so this is fair.
Ban just kinda existed. Came into the thread and answered questions, and not much else. Did nothing to keep discussion going
Mesonoxian has a username i keep misspelling so Ill call them Meso for my sanity. He questioned Rosen on something. Then told me goodbye as i left for work. Could be out of politeness, or not
TurtleDucks seemed to take a long time to answer my simple icebreaker
These guys stuck out to me the most then, I had no real reads on the others
Ill wait a couple more pages before I do another attempt at a read.
I can't comment much on the reads, since not a single opinion was stated. It's mainly observations and theorizing, much like what I do at this moment. Seems NAI to me, I guess.
In my half suppressed memories I always suffered as a maf. People told me its easy to tell if im maf or not, because of how much energy I put into day phase. Unfortunate but true.
Heres hoping I improve my scum game as I play in SV
What does the '
' mean in this context?
Why are you answering for him?
Nictis responded to my question on his mafia vs town game with the sentence I quoted. I simply continued the dialogue with Nic. From my POV, Nani came out of literally nowhere
Dont know why my other response was swallowed by the ether
I enjoy both vanilla and nonvanilla.
How long have you been playing Even?
Yes
Get some sleep
So you enjoy deceiving people?
Bunch of NAI, but this last question stands out a little to me. I hope it's not basis for a scumread ot something like that. Enjoying a certain role or playstyle does not correspond to being that role, or playing that playstyle at this moment.
In my case, playing wolfy means I know who's who thus my lackluster day performances, barring the occasional games with SKs.
Im behind the current meta, but if players nowadays think that vanillas are boring, Im afraid the meaning of D1 investigation has been lost
@Nictis what do you currently think of 1K?
Asking for opinions.
I missed this the first time
What exactly about Rosens two posts pings you?
Asking for clarification.
Sadly I was late to the party on that one
You Lagren?
So you're currently chatting with this other person?
??? Anyways, a bunch of NAI, this last question rubs me the wrong way a little though.
Its been years.
Were you the one that posted Corgito Ergo Sum and incited everyone into derailing the thread with corgi pics for 2 pages?
If not, Im mistaking you for someone else
I vaguely remember this
I tried my best to forget the HS community, my last moments werent very graceful
@Evenstar what do you think of Rosen so far?
You mean youll convince your buddies not to bandwagon people that protect you? how reassuring
More questions about other peoples thoughts.
Now that Ive read the thread until the latest post, if Rosen were truly scum I see him trying to set up a helpful persona, then propose different camps with his talk of the current setup, giving his homies a chance to infiltrate these factions. Thereby dividing the town.
I don't understand the proposed scenario.
it began when Rosen asked for a wmg of a full scum team. question 3, threadpost #63
then Meso asked how many bad guys are there likely to be in a 17 person game. threadpost #104
various people responded, and it took off from there.
@Nictis TD is correct, wild mass guessing
My current thoughts after my third reread of the thread:
At this point in the game, Rosen looks like certified USDA approved Mislynch Bait. Meso made some good points, but my personal experience speaking with Rosen was NAI, as it was too short-lived. I'll wait till he comes back for another chat, in the meantime I'll try picking up new lines of questioning.
Correct -Rosen read.
...i messed up my post again damnit
Its 3 hours before my bedtime (2pm) need. to. stay. awake.
Probably town
Heya
@Happerry , never spoke to you before. You take part in any quicktopics lately?
Another question about quicktopics. I don't like that.
Hmm. I take back my assessment
The most interesting thing that happened so far was Even's claim of being neighborly
TurtleDucks was voted by 3 people
Rosen pinged people but not so much
@Absum , what are your thoughts on the current TD wagon (tiny as it is)
A bunch of NAI, followed by yet another question about other peoples thoughts and opinions.
Another thing
@Absum , you focused on Rosen for using RNG to guess who's scum but what about the others who went along with question 3? why are they exempt from this line of questioning?
Probably because -Rosen was the one to say that people should give their "Random" opinion, presumably to give some data points that could be used later. Then to not adhere to that given standard themself seemed hypocritical. That was my own thought process at least. Also using RNG =/= going along with question 3.
Not sure what this refers to
This part of your reasoning eludes me. Walk me through, it could be just difference in playstyle. I just want to be certain I understand before I respond
In regards to asking being more questionable then answering.
Thats what I get for speaking without fact checking
Heh, that assessment made me laugh
I read the rng stuff as NAI and harmless because Dovah is in that list, seemed like a meme post or something. The reason why i asked you about it, is because you claimed that people may try to analyze it down the line when it clearly cant be when taken as is
Not sure how to see this.
Thanks Meso
Ok this is my last post before I leave
I mostly agree with everything you said, but sometimes a townie makes an ice breaker post that doesnt really help with wolf detecting but the wolves swarm and respond to it, to look busy and add to their post counts, etc.
With that said,
@-Rosen if you really are town you better start hunting because multiple people have been pinged
I do like this, a little at least.
At this point I would totes get behind a Nictis/Evenstar/Absum towncore but it's too good to be true...
Tonight Ill be rereading the thread and isoing some people
Opinions, nice.
Is it possible for the maf in this game to NOT be in contact with each other?
Just something I thought of, rereading the game flavor
This part:
A mental interference effect, obstructing the afflicted's ability to distinguish and recognize individuals, thus rendering chains of command impossible and sewing paranoia and distrust.
If the game is neighborhood based, then the Merovin faction and the invaders faction would each start with 2 people, and then each would auto-grow by vote. Bringing into the fold people they believe they can trust.
So each faction may have an investigator type role to help with that.
Invaders would also have an additional vote to night kill someone, because this is still mafia and thus they must be aiming for the king or whatever important PRs the townies have
I suppose were gonna have to find out if mafs can NK then, it would illuminate what their true wincon is
of course theres also the flavor about the supposed traitor to consider...
Setup Speculation. NAI, but also pretty meaningless.
So if I go by the theory you crafted about neighborhoods and try to remain faithful to the flavor, that means town needs to weed out the wolves, that are in disarray, and invite other townies to the group...
QT was the one that said this couldnt be a cult game
!!!
TownNictis, is that you??
Wasn't Nictis already a townread?
Awake a bit earlier than usual, but unfortunately there was a death in my extended family
I can still play, but I will be about 2 hours later after work today, need to help my aunt make funeral arrangements
Yea I was talking about the "Treachery most foul" line in the flavor text
Sorry if I was unclear earlier, I was referring to a possible SK/survivor player running around (IF we take that line as gospel)
Missed this. Explains further the diminishing amount of posts.
Before I get into my personal reads I want to say, that while there have been some general fear of Rosen being a mislynch, no one has provided a reason as to
why this could be a mislynch
Ugh, explaining is hard
Skimming the thread there was a mention of 1) Rosen being proud of being a hard to read player (playstyle argument), 2) Rosen just flat out making a bad play/mistake, etc., 3) not enough damning evidence to lynch Rosen, and 4) gut feeling that Rosen is a mislynch
These could explain why Rosen might not be maf, but it doesnt explain why Rosen might be town
Like, I try not to read people asymmetrically, especially if Ive never met them before, and the people who gave the reasons stated above didnt follow up on it as far as I can tell, or maybe they just kept their reasons to themselves?? idk
But I havent seen anyone take the extra step, critically thinking about why Rosens thoughts might be coming from a town mindset, they just looked at the general case and said "yeah, but could be townie, because x"
@Cyricubed if you see this before we hit EoD, could I ask you why Rosen went from a scum read to a neutral read?
The first part seems true enough. Another question about another players opinion after.
ISOing people confuses me when I try to do it on D1, because Im afraid that I may end up putting the horse before the cart
What I focus on D1, is not the content of the post, but the tone of the posts
(yeah yeah, laugh it up)
UGH EXPLAINING IS HARD
During the awkward "getting to know you stage" Rosen seemed like a joker, life of the party, went along with my dumb joke, etc etc
+Clarified himself when I asked him why he was asking people about the ES/Pawn dynamic despite Pawn being a GM not a player
+Said the random/RNG thing was a joke, which lined up with what I was reading on him so far
Then the accusations started happening, and when I try to see this from his POV, I would think:
"crap Im definitely town but at this rate i might end up mislynched and mislynches are BAD because while trying to hit scum D1 is hard as #?!$, as town its my responsibility to save my fellow townies from mislynches so i should try to calm them down"
When Nictis and Meso started pushing him in earnest, again if I try to see this from his POV id be getting really frustrated at them for FOSing me, frustrated at myself maybe for poorly thought out responses, this wasnt supposed to happen, etc
Moving away from this, Im not throwing shade at Nictis and Meso or accusing them of tunneling because as weird as it sounds, pushing people you scumread until you end up townreading them is not anything new, and people like to argue
And this is why I am NOT voting for Rosen, but someone else
While I do like this, the paranoid part of my brain wants to see this as scum wanting credit once -Rosen is proved town. But it's probably genuine. I think.
[x] Lynch BanTheFairyKing
####!! wheres my wall of text??
Probably worth noting that these happened after dayend and thusly aren't legitimate. Dunno if that means something. Probably doesn't.
Im jetlagged guys so dont expect much from me for today
@ComiTurtle how long did it take you to think of/write your op?
Also let me leave this here-
[x] Lynch BanTheFairyKing
-as a kind of existentialist protest, since I ran out of time D1
Its currently 9:37pm my time...Now that Ive found a chance to sit and think about this game, especially in light of the new information:
(the 2nd quote is in response to Cyricubed)
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@BanTheFairyKing , why were you hesitant to lynch Evenstar the first time you voted? And why are Nictis, 1K and Cyricubed townleans?
More questions.
7:15am
Before I head off to get breakfast and bring my car to a mechanic...
Cyri I quoted two of Bans posts, the 2nd quote was in response to something you said to Ban (just to clarify who Ban was townreading ("You along with Nictis and 1K"))
Im in a rush right now so I cant analyze the entire reaponse properly, can someone give me their 2 cents on this? Will be back as soon as I can
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Im also posting this question, because Id rather look like an idiot for askig
If this game is about being extremely careful with information, correct me if Im wrong but wouldnt it be more beneficial for us at this stage to try and townclear people as opposed to hunting legitimate scum based on prima facie cases? Ive never experienced a game like AITP before, will need to do some research on other similar games... In this game, Im under the impression that town has the advantage over maf in information? Im confused, and terrified of hitting an important PR
And that's all.
