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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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...oh yeah, If he sees misery as a normal state of being because everyone is Miserable at lobotomy corporation, Then she is gonna look at them and say I need to be human and human is always miserable! I need to make them even more miserable to fit with my cognition of humanity.
 
Nyarky said:
*checking us out*, so *I love you* could be very literal.
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Are we sure its checking X out and not checking her "drip" out?

I mean, we have freaking galaxy hair with a veil of light clinging to us. From NT's pov, thats like [SUPREME] drip + jordans.

Theres also the part about NT couldnt help itself when it realizes we are Kali. So dont get your hopes up. She got a crush on her adopted mom, not her step mom.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Lepidoptera on Nov 17, 2022 at 2:54 AM, finished with 347 posts and 38 votes.
  • [x] Plan: honest negotiation 101:
    -[x] Begin attachment work on NT, ask questions, try to learn more, stop if they seem to become too unstable. You want to learn more about them as a person.
    -[x] You may have an alternative to his… her… thei.. actually, first thing first: what pronoun should we use? (Using they in my vote for ease of writing)
    -[x] You may have an alternative to *insert pronoun* method to become human, after all, they can see it right now, you appear and act human right now, what would they think if trying to test if it works for them? Later, of course.
    -[x] By the way, how did they make the illusion and what is Kyubey following right now?
    -[x] You can accept them as an employee, but you'll have to say no to their offer to be Kyouko for you, Mami would be devastated if she learned that you accepted this, you should come clean to her if you want to do this.
    -[x] There is more to being human than a body, they seems to get that, but you can help in this, you can teach them.
    [X]The situation is not yet unsalvageable. Talk to i-her. Ayin's past taught you what poor communication does to people, and how to avoid making the same mistakes. There has to be a way for everyone to get what they want.
    [X] Try to Convince Nothing There this isn't the way. There's other options. You made a Cage out of your own EGO, surely it-, or she, of she prefers, can at least let you try to do the same for her. A Shell made of herself. She saw how Lobotomy worked, after all. Those Soul Gems can't take the strain of what she's doing to them, and we know it's hurting the girls inside. X doesn't want that. Anything worth calling human doesn't want that.
    -[X] If it continues to refuses, or gets violent, pretend to back down. Ask to at least check on the gems it's had longest with Lobotomy. After it either lets them get checked, or refuses, say that your willing to take the deal until you can figure out something better. The moment you feel that's guard is down, telepathy Homura, and tell her to time stop and get here to bring you into timestop. Then hit Nothing There with Lobotomy, either to put it to sleep so you can safely extract the Soul Gems, or cut it off from the Soul Gems magic and stop the pain.
    [X] plan desperate hope
    -[X]The situation is not yet unsalvageable. Talk to i-her. Ayin's past taught you what poor communication does to people, and how to avoid making the same mistakes. There has to be a way for everyone to get what they want. Negotiate via Attachement work and gather information
    -[X] Ask her to let you go through with the Lobotomy session. Not to take any of the Soul Gems away from her, but to make sure they aren't being harmed or at risk of dying.
    -[X] Gather as much information without triggering Nothing There's aggression, during lobotomy gather as much information as possible and figure out their plan
    -[X] if you can not reach a good agreement, reluctantly accept and wait until you are strong enough to suppress them
    -[X] Set the various souls to some sort of hibernation if possible and ask nothing there to be careful not to hurt or break further
    -[X] find substitutes for the soul gems if at all possible, even get kyubeys help
    -[X] backpedal on the 'i could help make you human' comment and apologize for it. Claim it was insensitive and based on preconceived notions of what Nothing There was like in the facility.
    -[X] Nothing There is for all intents and purposes, a child. A very powerful child trying to understand the world and how to fit in with those around her. She is absolutely a person. A human, even if she doesn't have the shape of one, or a full understanding of morals and societal expectations. So now... Her next step should be to solidify herself. Learn what she wants to do and be now that she's 'won' her main battle. Help her with it where possible, Treat her as a child, as human, and teach her. Especially human biology, psychology, morality and developing her own identity as a person. First Step a Name, not just an Epithet but an actual name, and what pronouns they wish to use
    -[X] politely accept nothing there's offer to be an employee but decline her hecoming kyouko and find some way to gently break the truth to the others via telepathy afterwards and ask them to not attack and for them to simply treat Nothing there as a particularly volatile magical girl who is in desperate need of help, then Properly introduce them by inviting them in with Nothing there's permission, Yuma First then the others
    [X] Give Kyoko her privacy while performing the scan.
    [X] tell nothing there that it could ask for shell from X as she also now Abnormality with most human shell and promise that it can help you more this ways……
    [X] Hug her
    [x] Plan: Hopeful Bargaining
    -[X] Try to convince Nothing There that there are other ways to go about this. We know that what she is doing is overwhelming their minds and we wish to help both them and you. Mention that our body is also a shell and that if it desires we can try to help build her one as well. Ask them if they would be willing to work with us through this.
    --[X] If they are still willing to work with us ask if we could perform Lobotomy on the gems.
    ---[X] If yes assist the gems and start doing our best to form bodies for both them and Nothing There (Prioritize Nothing There's)
    ---[X] If no ask if we could try to use Sound of A Star instead.
    --[X] Be prepared to dodge if they do not wish to
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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8-bpUYH7nU
 
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bloody hell...
welp, I'm going to go get dinner and panic over it until I spell my noodles on my barely protected legs
 
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Third Warning will continue until the situation is resolved. I just switched to the LoR version for variety. I may switch back next update, considering I doubt things will be done by then either.
 
At the very least, I am looking forward to socializing and then proceeding to adopt Kyoko, for realzies, later.

NT can live in Kyoko's old house or something. Kyoko will stay with Mami and Yuma. She would need their support anyway.
 
Lepidoptera said:
Adhoc vote count started by Lepidoptera on Nov 17, 2022 at 2:54 AM, finished with 347 posts and 38 votes.
  • [x] Plan: honest negotiation 101:
    -[x] Begin attachment work on NT, ask questions, try to learn more, stop if they seem to become too unstable. You want to learn more about them as a person.
    -[x] You may have an alternative to his… her… thei.. actually, first thing first: what pronoun should we use? (Using they in my vote for ease of writing)
    -[x] You may have an alternative to *insert pronoun* method to become human, after all, they can see it right now, you appear and act human right now, what would they think if trying to test if it works for them? Later, of course.
    -[x] By the way, how did they make the illusion and what is Kyubey following right now?
    -[x] You can accept them as an employee, but you'll have to say no to their offer to be Kyouko for you, Mami would be devastated if she learned that you accepted this, you should come clean to her if you want to do this.
    -[x] There is more to being human than a body, they seems to get that, but you can help in this, you can teach them.
    [X]The situation is not yet unsalvageable. Talk to i-her. Ayin's past taught you what poor communication does to people, and how to avoid making the same mistakes. There has to be a way for everyone to get what they want.
    [X] Try to Convince Nothing There this isn't the way. There's other options. You made a Cage out of your own EGO, surely it-, or she, of she prefers, can at least let you try to do the same for her. A Shell made of herself. She saw how Lobotomy worked, after all. Those Soul Gems can't take the strain of what she's doing to them, and we know it's hurting the girls inside. X doesn't want that. Anything worth calling human doesn't want that.
    -[X] If it continues to refuses, or gets violent, pretend to back down. Ask to at least check on the gems it's had longest with Lobotomy. After it either lets them get checked, or refuses, say that your willing to take the deal until you can figure out something better. The moment you feel that's guard is down, telepathy Homura, and tell her to time stop and get here to bring you into timestop. Then hit Nothing There with Lobotomy, either to put it to sleep so you can safely extract the Soul Gems, or cut it off from the Soul Gems magic and stop the pain.
    [X] plan desperate hope
    -[X]The situation is not yet unsalvageable. Talk to i-her. Ayin's past taught you what poor communication does to people, and how to avoid making the same mistakes. There has to be a way for everyone to get what they want. Negotiate via Attachement work and gather information
    -[X] Ask her to let you go through with the Lobotomy session. Not to take any of the Soul Gems away from her, but to make sure they aren't being harmed or at risk of dying.
    -[X] Gather as much information without triggering Nothing There's aggression, during lobotomy gather as much information as possible and figure out their plan
    -[X] if you can not reach a good agreement, reluctantly accept and wait until you are strong enough to suppress them
    -[X] Set the various souls to some sort of hibernation if possible and ask nothing there to be careful not to hurt or break further
    -[X] find substitutes for the soul gems if at all possible, even get kyubeys help
    -[X] backpedal on the 'i could help make you human' comment and apologize for it. Claim it was insensitive and based on preconceived notions of what Nothing There was like in the facility.
    -[X] Nothing There is for all intents and purposes, a child. A very powerful child trying to understand the world and how to fit in with those around her. She is absolutely a person. A human, even if she doesn't have the shape of one, or a full understanding of morals and societal expectations. So now... Her next step should be to solidify herself. Learn what she wants to do and be now that she's 'won' her main battle. Help her with it where possible, Treat her as a child, as human, and teach her. Especially human biology, psychology, morality and developing her own identity as a person. First Step a Name, not just an Epithet but an actual name, and what pronouns they wish to use
    -[X] politely accept nothing there's offer to be an employee but decline her hecoming kyouko and find some way to gently break the truth to the others via telepathy afterwards and ask them to not attack and for them to simply treat Nothing there as a particularly volatile magical girl who is in desperate need of help, then Properly introduce them by inviting them in with Nothing there's permission, Yuma First then the others
    [X] Give Kyoko her privacy while performing the scan.
    [X] tell nothing there that it could ask for shell from X as she also now Abnormality with most human shell and promise that it can help you more this ways……
    [X] Hug her
    [x] Plan: Hopeful Bargaining
    -[X] Try to convince Nothing There that there are other ways to go about this. We know that what she is doing is overwhelming their minds and we wish to help both them and you. Mention that our body is also a shell and that if it desires we can try to help build her one as well. Ask them if they would be willing to work with us through this.
    --[X] If they are still willing to work with us ask if we could perform Lobotomy on the gems.
    ---[X] If yes assist the gems and start doing our best to form bodies for both them and Nothing There (Prioritize Nothing There's)
    ---[X] If no ask if we could try to use Sound of A Star instead.
    --[X] Be prepared to dodge if they do not wish to
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So, let's proceed as if we were in a book fight, look at the rules, and follows them. :V

Funnily enough, from what I remember of this realization, NT's main rule is *don't let them hit you*, because it gives stacks of imitation that they can use to make your day miserable, guess we are in the same kind of situation with *don't make them attack* instead. :V
 
It's strange looking back. But we were really lucky with our first 2 Alephs. Army in Black was a good choice, while Blue Star is generally weak against high-stat targets.

In comparison, NT, the Adult, or most of the other Alephs (except maybe Silent Orchestra and a weak MoSB) would turn us into red paste if we are to fight them. X really needs to get stronger after this.

Even if NT joins us as a full power abnormality, we still need to get stronger ourselves so the Adult or any of the bigger Alephs don't just insta-kill us with an AOE attack.

Which E.G.O would greatly increase X's durability in your opinion? The "easiest" and "closest" one to us should be Judgement Bird, right?
 
Judgement birb does have an aleph grade .5 across the board suit. should also be careful as... well, with judgement birb, all the components to make apocalypse birb are present.

Honestly, easiest one that'd increase our durability across the board aside from vs pale damage is probably Pink's body armor. I'd say blue star, but I doubt we can get that any time soon.
 
questioningmeme said:
lucky
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Lepidoptera said:
Since we've only just started, you were up against an Abnormality that you personally have a very good matchup against.
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I don't think that was the case here? Also, Lepidoptera, could you give us the conditions for AiB? Since it skipped the Sapling phase somehow and went straight to becoming EGO Gear and all

E: I think we already have the body armor(s?), it's just invisible (but doesn't affect their defense utilit(ies))
 
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Nyarky said:
Funnily enough, from what I remember of this realization, NT's main rule is *don't let them hit you*, because it gives stacks of imitation that they can use to make your day miserable, guess we are in the same kind of situation with *don't make them attack* instead. :V
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I dunno, at the point I fought NT for the first time absorption was still unnerfed. So just like with Roland's third phase: "Enemy text is useless if you have +50 strength."
 
X: OK! judgement bird get! i can finally get some good stuf-
*DISTORTED BIRD NOISES!!!!!!!*
!!*WARNING! APOCALYPSE BRID HAS AWAKEN!*!!
X:... i quit.
 
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A funny thing I learned about judgment bird in *cthulu powered lightbulb* about his equipment:

Originally, Pale was not a % of hp attack but a *chance of insta kill* one, meaning that any source of pale damage was way more dangerous than they are (and they still are very dangerous), as such, the abnormalities designed when it was still the case had things to compensate, in the case of the bird, that's why he has ALEPH gear and why it's so good.

Anyway, while we're twiddling our thumbs while waiting for lepi to tell us if the negotiations advanced successfully or were a disaster, let's recap some things we know, might get some revelation from it:

-We probably never met the real Kyouko, I am sure everyone can agree that this is 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999% sure, since the crime scene we investigated in her first scene was probably her fight against NT, this means NT was quite close to our territory from the beginning.

-Mami is gonna react very badly to the news no matter how the negotiation ends, since the fact that her reconciliation with Kyouko was entirely made under false pretenses, so the conversation to the girls will have to concentrate on keeping Mami out of a despair spiral as it's first priority. We'll need to find informations that can mitigate the hit, like learning that these really were Kyouko's feelings just told through someone else or something. This will probably be way more stressful to me than the current one, feels more like balancing on a tightrope with a bucket full of eggs on our head and we have to run and make sure nothing breaks, somehow.

-NT is our biggest fan and wants to repay us by being the best employee that ever was employed. How can we use this?

-We have 37 girls currently trapped in what seems to be horrible agony, do we let them keep the memories of the ordeal once we save them or not? (I refuse to accept a solution where they stay stuck in this situation, temporary stasis with us checking them regularly to see if they deteriorate is the only short term solution that isn't them being free I'll accept for the moment, we'll have to find a way to it).

-Parts of these 37 girls are not good people, the soujou twins, just to give an example, how do we handle that?

-Lobotomy on NT, best idea ever or !!best idea ever!! ?
 
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Lobotomy on a fellow Abnormality...

It is a bit of a risky idea, so let's avoid it now. We will explore it...later... once the situation is less volatile. I am not opposed to us doing it now if we somehow get a natural 100-dice roll in our negotiation and manage to turn everyone into best buds tho:V

Mami...this is like Witch Bomb 2.0 electric abnormality edition. We will need to handle her with care.
This is even worse than the Witch Bomb actually. In this situation, we can't even use our nature to leverage as an example for Mami.

I just realized NT trying to be our best employee possible might have made her WAY weaker than she should be. Nothing There in her current 37 amalgamation state will constantly hurt the girls inside her the moment she tries to help us out. We should use her in a way that makes sure she never goes into combat.
After all 37 are saved...it depends on the context of that future. Let's just avoid killing kids for now.

Some of the 37 aren't good people you say? I guess NT has some friends in the time-out corner then. We just need to bonk them with the bad girls' stick and they will have to be nice regardless of their feelings on the matter. Mommy said so. :V

I don't really see how NT being close to us matters though.

Lurker183839 said:
I don't think that was the case here? Also, Lepidoptera, could you give us the conditions for AiB? Since it skipped the Sapling phase somehow and went straight to becoming EGO Gear and all
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Shhh.
I am talking about in-universe luck. Not out universe's luck.
 
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If we want to try lobotomy on her, we need to be very careful and we need to prepare some backup plan if it backfires.
Like we are accessing other's mind with lobotomy, right? If somehow, Her thoughts back flows into us and starting to affect our psyche... yeah, Let's be careful.
 
Nothing There's current mental state is...

Probably weird. First things first, NT is usually alien in its thought process. Second thing, currently, she is an amalgamation of like a bunch of little traumatized child soldiers. Thirdly, she is actually connected to all 37 souls because of her "grief presentation" network.

That's why I want to avoid doing Lobotomy on her before we can get rid of the 37 soul gems.
 
questioningmeme said:
I am talking about in-universe luck. Not out universe's luck.
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I think a plausible watsonian explanation is that who or whatever gave us access to the abnormalities did take what you said into accounts and made sure to give us some which wouldn't be a problem to work on close by. Even includes Nothing There in it, funnily enough, since once your agents are powerful enough it becomes completely unable to breach normally and requires meltdowns or other shenanigans.

questioningmeme said:
That's why I want to avoid doing Lobotomy on her before we can get rid of the 37 soul gems.
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I'm sure it would just act like a grafted tree, there is no way that could lead to horrible things, here, let me show you an example of grafting:



Interesting trivia: the grafting in trees is absolutely why it is called grafting here. :V

Oops, sorry, wrong one, let me try again:

 
Nyarky said:
funnily enough, since once your agents are powerful enough it becomes completely unable to breach normally and requires meltdowns or other shenanigans.
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I definitely agree with that. In my first time getting him it was day 26 and I was able to do it properly the first time. I have only ever heard one of my employees saying "I love you" once, it was during my first core suppression (Screw Hods core Suppression).
 
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