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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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Nyarky said:
Then we'll simply never see eyes to eyes, betraying a willing potential ally *for the greater good* is something I find absolutely horrid.
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I don't particularly want an ally like Nothing There, yes. From my perspective, your the one throwing the wants of Mami and the kids under a bus for 'The Greater Good'.
Just because the very first offer given without any context has been rejected is not a reason to instantly go and say *well, negotiation's over, time to kill everyone*, seriously, of course the first offer was rejected, that's always how it goes, you simply use the knowledge of how it was rejected to continue. There is absolutely no reason to reject *get all the girls back* as a possible end of honest negotiations right now, we didn't even try to bargain yet and have no real idea on our interlocutor's boundaries.

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Also, your post makes me think you would be an horrible negotiator, too much emotional reaction and not enough empathy for the one you're talking to, NT is not a thing, doesn't intend to do harm, and is actually non hostile, trying to provoke her or stab her in the back is not the attitude of someone who wants to try to save as many people as possible. I do not want to make X into someone that can do these things for convenience, thinking on how to stab NT in the back is just as monstrous as keeping the girls in a fate worse than death for me, it is a betrayal of ourself, our own principles as someone who wants to do better, be better, it should never happen.
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My vote explicitly opens with a genuine attempt to resolve this without violence and getting those kids out. Others have said a fight would endanger the Soul Gems, and I agree. Though given what the GM has said, Nothing There would much rather take a bad hit then let even one of those Gems get damaged. Saying I'm going right for the kill is being disingenuous. And saying I'm not a diplomat is being disparaging. I solve nearly all my problems by talking, and I've had some very serious problems. Those I can't solve are either medical, or I've endured them until they resolved themselves.

We simply view this problem differently. You view Nothing There as a victim of her own situation. She never asked to be a people wearing monster and doesn't want to be. To you, her lack of understanding of the suffering she's causing is no major sin, because she doesn't understand. You think she's still worth trying to help, even if there's no small a chance it'll fail and a fight breaks out.

I don't think trying to help it is worth losing a good opening to take it by surprise. I don't think causing suffering in ignorance, if it even is in ignorance and not ignoring the suffering of others because it benefits it. I don't think trying to convince Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko and Yuma to be cool with it is worth the effort, if it's even possible and doesn't cause permanent damage to our relationships. Nothing There is nothing worth betraying Mami's trust.

That you might not view it as a betrayal is immaterial to me, because I most certainly view it that way.
Nyarky said:
wonder if NT is counting Kazumi in that, given that she is not *normal* in the least,
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That's actually a very good question, and sorta begs the question what it's keeping her around. She should feel absolutely disgusted carrying something like her around, right? It's witchy-ish, all Abnormalities have hated that so far. Might be on to something with that being important to this current Shell holding together.
 
From the way i see it, we should worry about the other girls reactions to NT, but not panic about it. We have a Pure Seed, we can see if NT can use it as a replacement for one of the soul gems, such as Kyoko's. or we can even just talk her into giving us Kyoko's using some careful Attachment work, and use this as evidence that Kyoko isn't dead.

Such as "Bad news mami, The Kyoko you were making back up with was a fake. Good news ks that The real Kyoko still has her soulgem intact, so we can bring her back" Shows mami Kyoko's soul gem.

Of course it most likely would not go like that, nor as blunt as delivered. However the premise is still the same, we could get ahold of Kyoko's soul gem to prove that NT is not as bad as she could be, and that the real Kyoko was surprisingly safe. 'Safe' in a manner of speaking, being at least extremely hard to get to and damage.

We could reasonably do this with some arguments about how to keep NT's shell intact, and how we could help to maintain it without the need to Take more gems. Also as shown in the chapter, Nothing there is making her own shell, not simply copying Kyoko's or one of the other MG's, she is literally making her own 'face' in an odd way. We could state that we could use more employees, and we don't need her to be anyone else right now, only herself.

Making a point of NT literally making herself become her own person, not someone else would have to be worded and used carefully, but it could work.

All NT has ever wanted was to be human, and perhaps we can grant her that wish.

Unlike the Ferret of course.
 
[X] Plan: honest negotiation 101

Potential gains aside, I genuinely don't think that trying to take Nothing There down would work out well. It's certainly possible if X sucker punches it, but that would likely piss it off and nobody wants to see that. Especially when it has a lot of versatility via stolen magic to compensate for the much weaker physical stats.
 
One interesting thing is, NT will likely provide a crap load of answers regarding MGs bodies and provide us a better understanding of the Witch Bomb.

Given that we will need to give the 37 girls back their bodies eventually, we will likely learn from her how much of an "MG" can remain before it stops regenerating.

It would be nice to know that even if our Girls get reduced to nothing but a pinkie, they will still survive.
 
Okay, I really don't know what path to take, but I know for sure that fighting is a bad idea, we don't know if they witch out instantly in such an scenario, damage their soul gems while fighting, and finally the odds are against us....
The QM said that in the strength department we are somewhat the same (50/50) with the main difference being the versatility in our tools, none of our tools (except the swords that can also damage the gems) work on it, while it has 37.

Of course, talking comes with it's own problems, how the fuck do we even tell them about it? We can't just treat NT nicely (unless we get confirmation from Kyubey that NT isn't part of the telepathic network) and we can't be too confrontational either...
 
Docere AcDiscere said:
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So anyway, KoD swords deals white or pale damage, Pinks deals white damage, Blue Star deals white damage. To say our tools are completely blank is just outright wrong. The soul gems currently cannot witch out do to being blenderized and not allowing grief in, and there's some other magical girls on scene who can provide a hand in this fight if one breaks out.
 
Oi oi. No fighting. We can plan a fight when it eventually forces us to fight. But let's not discuss fighting for now. We've already had like...5 discussions on fighting NT at this point. As for how to make this not mega-sus to the girls...

Basically. Tell Mami that the operation made Kyoko feel sick and that she decided she will talk with Mami...tomorrow or something, while X has a nightly session with NT thinking up plans and shit on how to NOT drop the NT-Bomb on Mami too HARD.

By the way.

I just got a REVELATION. X is technically the mom of most abnormalities. Like literally.

They all came from her as the Facility. With a few exceptions, like some of the tools, some abnormalities were around even before Old Lab, some that came from Old Lab, most Abnormalities are born from X. So technically speaking. NT is our stepdaughter.

Surprisingly, I think 4 of the abnormalities we have came from us. Knight of Despair(Maybe?), Porccubus, Blue Star, and Army in Black.

The rest are all natural (Der Fruity, P Bird, and Big bird).
 
Hyacinth
You freaking mad lad you got us a lead that could be the key to the situation
All we need now is to extract the information from the rat later
We can work with Nothing there then do an 'experiment' with kyubey, pull a prometheus and abscond with its knowledge or at least plagiarize it
Then we do research to create the faux souls
Trade them for the soul gems, then have nothing there recreate their bodies to repay the souls for their potentially netting us der freischutz ego as payment is fulfilled
I repeat hyacinth you're an utter genuis madlad
 
Talow said:
So anyway, KoD swords deals white or pale damage, Pinks deals white damage, Blue Star deals white damage. To say our tools are completely blank is just outright wrong. The soul gems currently cannot witch out do to being blenderized and not allowing grief in, and there's some other magical girls on scene who can provide a hand in this fight if one breaks out.
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The thing is, what is to say we can't damage the gems physically? Yeah, they won't charge grief thanks to NT, but could still get damaged, pale damage is also a bad idea. Also NT in all of her forms endures white damage, her fist form is only a 0.8 sure, but we don't have the Qliphoth to weaken her.

WE WILL NOT MAKE THE GIRLS HELP IN A FIGHT WITH THAT THING. One mistake and you can say bye bye. It also becomes more of a liability, yeah the girls have really useful powers, but then they become targets too, and we have to both protect and attack.

Finally, I admit I was being a little dramatic, you could probably summon 4 Pink soldiers to distract her for example, but who's to say she doesn't have something similar too? She has a LOT more versatility and about the same strength.
We could win... But at what cost?...
You know? I doubt the QM will just outright kill us unless our plan was outright garbage, so let's say in a hypothetical case we have a sort of "favoring" from the QM, to the point our chances are like 80/20 or something, will we really win without any consequence? At most we will save Kyoko and a few others if we act fast after the fight.

questioningmeme said:
Basically. Tell Mami that the operation made Kyoko feel sick and that she decided she will talk with Mami...tomorrow or something, while X has a nightly session with NT thinking up plans and shit on how to NOT drop the NT-Bomb on Mami too HARD.
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That's not a good idea, we were just celebrating about one upping Kyubey in trust because we don't lie like him, are we really going to tell her that, will she believe that, and how will she react when she discovers the truth?
 
Docere AcDiscere said:
That's not a good idea, we were just celebrating about one upping Kyubey in trust because we don't lie like him, are we really going to tell her that, will she believe that, and how will she react when she discovers the truth?
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That's the problem.

QB doesn't lie. He just doesn't tell the full truth.

Unless we want to drop NT on the girls RIGHT now and see how they would react.
 
Well better out than in
Immediate mitigation will blunt the impact and prevent festering
Yuma be key in that
 
Docere AcDiscere said:
WE WILL NOT MAKE THE GIRLS HELP IN A FIGHT WITH THAT THING. One mistake and you can say bye bye. It also becomes more of a liability, yeah the girls have really useful powers, but then they become targets too, and we have to both protect and attack.
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If only they had some sort of talent that didn't rely on actually engaging with Nothing There to be of assistance. Like I don't know, some sort of buffing effect or straight up time stop?
 
questioningmeme said:
That's the problem.

QB doesn't lie. He just doesn't tell the full truth.

Unless we want to drop NT on the girls RIGHT now and see how they would react.
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That's understandable, I'm also scared of how they will react, but if we tell it later then they would feel betrayed...
Mami directly betrayed because we are her mom.
Sayaka will feel betrayed thanks to her feeling of justice and all that.
Homura because we left the skin walker near Madoka.
Madoka... I'm not sure.
Yuma will probably understand why we did it.

Talow said:
If only they had some sort of talent that didn't rely on actually engaging with Nothing There to be of assistance. Like I don't know, some sort of buffing effect or straight up time stop?
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Then target the healer... Is one of the most basic strategies. I guess homura can dodge her a little, but NT is Instant fast, and Homura has to do something with her shield to activate it, so we will have to protect her anyways...
 
Except for time stop, these abilities need to be used in Melee range and are not exactly subtle?
Not impossible NT will decide these are useful abilities (because they are), and start attacking them too if we don't manage to settle a fight in one go?
 
Oi. I already told yall we ain't fighting her. So quit with the fight planning.

Besides, we already agreed multiple times that Homura is needed to fight NT no matter how we feel about it.
Anyway.
Here's the problem.

NT ain't X. She's not even like P Bird who saved Yuma from her abusive mom.

She's literally the WORST abnormality the girls have encountered so far. Somehow even being worse than Big Bird.

The girls will NOT accept her. Some of them probably will NEVER accept her as long as she still holds hostages essentially.
We can all say Yuma will help out. But we shouldn't forget, Yuma also doesn't like it when her big sis's friend is turned into a skin suit. Yuma won't be able to help as much as you think she will.

And that brings us to problem number 2.

NT will absolutely fucking flip her shit the moment she gets rejected.

Those two problems are a guarantee. Not opinion or any speculation. They are facts we need to face. NT is already suggesting that X use Lobotomy to make sure the girls NEVER find out about NT's true self.

There's being transparent, and then there's having caution. This is a VERY volatile bomb basically on the same level as the Witch Bomb.

We should treat it very very carefully.
 
Docere AcDiscere said:
Then target the healer... Is one of the most basic strategies. I guess homura can dodge her a little, but NT is Instant fast, and Homura has to do something with her shield to activate it, so we will have to protect her anyways...
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Nothing There got fooled by someone straight up playing dead. Pretty sure we can pull off just having Nothing There not realize Sayaka is around. and what part of 'Actualized Aid' states that it has to be done in melee range of the target?

questioningmeme said:
Oi. I already told yall we ain't fighting her. So quit with the fight planning.
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I'm just personally annoyed that every time fighting even comes up it's "There's no way we can win without extreme casualties". Often times without the last 3 words as well.
 
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Talow said:
Nothing There got fooled by someone straight up playing dead. Pretty sure we can pull off just having Nothing There not realize Sayaka is around.
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Yeah, but she's learning, I doubt nobody tried similar shit. But even then
Talow said:
and what part of 'Actualized Aid' states that it has to be done in melee range of the target?
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The chapter we cured countless people in the witch barrier?
But, it's a good question.
@Lepidoptera Does Sayaka Aid require contact?
 
questioningmeme said:
Unless we want to drop NT on the girls RIGHT now and see how they would react.
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Honestly we might not have a choice. I mean, ideally we slowly expand upon the information we've given so far, soften the blow in as many ways as possible, and maximize prep work so that the girls can accept it even if they don't like it, but depending on how well bomb defusal goes we might just not have the time to do anything but take the defused bomb, drop it on the table and talk about it some.
Talow said:
I'm just personally annoyed that every time fighting even comes up it's "There's no way we can win without extreme casualties". Often times without the last 3 words as well.
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Yes, QM's confirmed it's possible to do without casualties, I just don't want to until we're absolutely certain we can't negotiate. Ideally we thread the needle, but if it's absolutely between getting NT's Help and keeping the soul gems alive with no chance of cleverness, I'm voting to save the magical girls. Either option feels unpleasant to me, but saving the soul gems feels a little less so.
 
Lepidoptera said:
Contact is required to apply it, but once it's there Sayaka can freely alter the buffs she's giving as long as the effect remains.
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Is there any sort of range limit on it or is it just for as long as the effect remains?

Genih Wat said:
Yes, QM's confirmed it's possible to do without casualties, I just don't want to until we're absolutely certain we can't negotiate. Ideally we thread the needle, but if it's absolutely between getting NT's Help and keeping the soul gems alive with no chance of cleverness, I'm voting to save the magical girls. Either option feels unpleasant to me, but saving the soul gems feels a little less so.
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Honestly, Valid.
 
Genih Wat said:
Honestly we might not have a choice. I mean, ideally we slowly expand upon the information we've given so far, soften the blow in as many ways as possible, and maximize prep work so that the girls can accept it even if they don't like it, but depending on how well bomb defusal goes we might just not have the time to do anything but take the defused bomb, drop it on the table and talk about it some.
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The bomb will explode if we decide to drop it on the girls.

At least, with the information, I have so far. NT being deadly afraid of being rejected and abhor, with how the girls already reacted strongly to the lich bomb, with Mami's connection to Kyoko.

This is a disaster waiting to happen. Honestly speaking. We might as well drop the Witch Bomb instead of this and it will probably be less of a disaster.
 
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