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what was the scientist dudes name? the one who spent his interlude bemoaning that the UK had to stop looting its colonies?
Magical Girl Quest - The Fire That Burns
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I do get what you mean... but I just do not believe we can do this healing flame, be it now or later. Fire is fire, it burns. Making something warm and comfortable does not heal it, we have no real/good starting point there. Especially because I do not want to poke around Cerys' soul to change Ignition Aura's properties.
Besides, I was also thinking that if we can use our own Regeneration for it, the Heal might run off of it and therefore not require to be trained separately.
Once Regeneration grows somewhat strong, the heal itself would become useful without any additional training; on top of that, we could then train Regeneration without having to get ourselves hurt.
Playing the long game and stuff, you know? It does not need to be powerful right off the bat, but we can see about making it better once we have it because we have years to spend.
Plus, even if nothing comes of it, we will probably get a level in Regeneration... and maybe some ideas on how to make the heal in another way.
If everyone wants to fly for now... fine with me. But I really have to insist we experiment some more on Sunday at least; taking the whole weekend away for something we can do within the week is not a good idea, especially because we do not know when our next assignment will be.
On top of that, Cerys is a tough girl; she should be fine after taking it easy for one day.
(This just means I will shamelessly copy the magic-part of my vote for Sunday)
[] The Wallpaper
Remember when Rukia was talking about the man that rolled a nat 100 and became something more? I think this is him.
And I want to know what happened to him.
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Fire needs fuel to run
We form it with no oxygen or fuel consumed, with an ability that doesn't eat up magical power (thermal control)
Fire is also pure energy.
We've turned it into a liquid and probably with more work could have turned it solid.
We've overturned at least two points of what fire is.
Abandon such logic at the door.
Also to quote Rukia:
That second quote is not me giving emphasis but Rukia reposting "at your level of control" for emphasis.
Healing flame isn't possible at barely competent magic control, but that isn't true in the future.
You need to keep into consideration that magic need not follow physics or "common" sense and this is a world mired in conceptual magic not simply scientific magic.
A world made because one being loved another and so willed the universe into existence for them.
Fire as a source of life is a well known concept that can be exploited into healing magic.
While this was before the overhaul Rukia had said that
While we might not be able to make fire absolutely anything anymore (debatable, but I definitely think it probably loses effect the farther you make fire farther away from "beginning" or "end"), that doesn't really effect this here.
Fire as a source of life is a concept that can be used and can be mastered. Fire--> Beginning Life-->Beginning, it is something hard but not out of the spec of the "Beginning" Affinity at all.
I'm not specifically talking about things like altering ignition aura either though I guess Shadow mentioned that? I kind of forgot his warm aura was specifically through ignition aura. Healing through warmth isn't exactly impossible though. It is pretty much the same concept of Heat-->Beginning, Life-->Beginning, and the idea of healing magic being a "warmth spread throughout the body" isn't exactly a new way to describe it, and a person who is hot is living, one who is cold is dead, warmth is the presence of energy, and keeps you alive.
Again doubt "warmth" to heal would be as effective at base as "fire" to heal, but it would also be less dangerous since it goes for "warm" not burning flames.
Regen, as being something that feeds cells energy is something that has less connection to the "Beginning" affinity, and the more connections to our affinity, the more in line the ability is with us, the better the effect.
Also we originally had some abilities that ran off of ignition aura damage (such as thermal weapon), when the overhaul happened, that was removed.
I kind of believe that the removal was an intentional design choice, specifically to make it so that we cannot just level one ability to raise the effectiveness of several of them. Hence I am much less confident than you are that it will work like you believe.
Though it is probably possible to make a warm aura of healing that runs off of ignition aura without poking our soul, though it would depend on how we do it? I imagine to get it right without soul stuff would probably require manually controlling the way that the energy manifests as soon as it leaves the body. Since Ignition aura is at it base concept the "creation of energy", instead of being a basic form of thermal energy, it would turn it into [life] energy or something, instead of making everything the aura touches [on fire] make it [Healthier]. Would take a long time to be able to get it to do so as it exits at all, and longer to be able to do so passively instead of manually, but I wouldn't say impossible. Would be a huge project though. Probably harder than any other magic we have managed by far.
That said, I would have absolutely 100% have went for it if we went Miko route, because a Shrine Maiden with a warm aura of healing that runs off of ignition's aura power would be awesome.
But really, I think you are gravely underestimating magic in this setting if you limit your thinking to things like "Fire is fire, it burns" as an immutable law.
Fire is fire.
But fire is what we want it to be, especially when our changes relate to [Beginning] or [End], and especially as our magic control rises.
edit: changed "at first" to "as soon as it leaves the body" when talking about the ignition aura--> warm aura of healing thing because that was originally what I meant and I guess it got deleted in rewording my sentences before posting.
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Ugh... you are not wrong and I am probably not right.
However, we do not know until we try. Trying to use the regenerative power we have instead of making something almost completely new from an element that generally destroys everything it touches, aside from alternative interpretations, sounds like a better start to me.
In fact, I suspect that if this works, we would just get an addition for Regeneration that states it can be actively used on others as well with no other changes made.
All in all, it is maybe not the best way to do, but the easiest. Maybe the only one we have for a long time, until our magic control gets a lot better. Which then brings the question whether starting with a small heal in the beginning is better than getting a medium/strong heal in the mid-/endgame.
I can not answer that question, but I know I would want to have a heal as early as possible.
As for our Affinities, Regeneration is tied to them. It leads energy into cells to make them grow (back) faster, thus returning them to their original state, their beginning. It can also be seen as bringing an end to injuries and pain.
Maybe we should stop throwing large walls of text at each other when we are basically both saying that we want a healing power. I do not mind trying healing flame and healing warmth later, I just do not expect much to come of it.
But right now, we already have a means to get a healing ability for others; so why not try it? The worst it can do is nothing and one day spent without results is no different from the days we achieved nothing in due to botched rolls.
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Sorry, this is probably me being paranoid to some extent.
We know that Cerys can kill herself with her magic, so my reactions sometimes go on automatic for the more exotic ideas.
I agree that there is a lot magic can do... but I do not think Rukia's original statement about us being able to make almost everything out of it is still true. On top of that, just because we can aim for the sky does not mean we have to neglect what we find on the ground... if that makes sense.
Edit Edit: Besides... at our current level of control, my statement is still true. I just forgot the conditional before
However, we do not know until we try. Trying to use the regenerative power we have instead of making something almost completely new from an element that generally destroys everything it touches, aside from alternative interpretations, sounds like a better start to me.
In fact, I suspect that if this works, we would just get an addition for Regeneration that states it can be actively used on others as well with no other changes made.
All in all, it is maybe not the best way to do, but the easiest. Maybe the only one we have for a long time, until our magic control gets a lot better. Which then brings the question whether starting with a small heal in the beginning is better than getting a medium/strong heal in the mid-/endgame.
I can not answer that question, but I know I would want to have a heal as early as possible.
As for our Affinities, Regeneration is tied to them. It leads energy into cells to make them grow (back) faster, thus returning them to their original state, their beginning. It can also be seen as bringing an end to injuries and pain.
Maybe we should stop throwing large walls of text at each other when we are basically both saying that we want a healing power. I do not mind trying healing flame and healing warmth later, I just do not expect much to come of it.
But right now, we already have a means to get a healing ability for others; so why not try it? The worst it can do is nothing and one day spent without results is no different from the days we achieved nothing in due to botched rolls.
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Sorry, this is probably me being paranoid to some extent.
We know that Cerys can kill herself with her magic, so my reactions sometimes go on automatic for the more exotic ideas.
I agree that there is a lot magic can do... but I do not think Rukia's original statement about us being able to make almost everything out of it is still true. On top of that, just because we can aim for the sky does not mean we have to neglect what we find on the ground... if that makes sense.
Edit Edit: Besides... at our current level of control, my statement is still true. I just forgot the conditional before
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But when I am invested in something not posting large walls of text is anathema to me
That said just want to point out:
was already addressed here:
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Aka the small early heal in my suggestion would be the warmth one of what I was saying rather than fire (though not as a thing triggering for ignition aura in this case)
And one could very well argue that Regeneration might not even really work well on others due to being a subtler magic, when everyone has minor innate magic resistance, or at least make it much harder and less natural to do so. If it wasn't actually, I'd argue that everyone who knew how to self regenerate, would also be able to heal, and I somehow doubt that is the case. Being able to neatly wrap up regeneration on yourself into regeneration of others as well on the ability list seems doubtful to me. Feeding someone else's cells with your magic directly might also be dangerous, so it isn't exactly like Regeneration is foolproof either. I would also say that I do not expect much to come of it just like you say that you don't think much would come of warmth or fire (not that I am suggesting doing fire this early).
The street of doubt goes both ways
But ultimately yeah, we don't really know which would be more effective until we actually try them.
That said it is around 3:30 AM so I am going to go to sleep.
Ultimately we'll just have to see what method of healing is actually favored once voting starts for Sunday XD
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I have this lingering feeling that people will vote for Flight again, actually. Or to not do any magic at all.
I do understand what you mean, though. In the end, we just have to try it out and see if it works.
(Actually, the line I had about telling Karen about it would probably have her adress the problems you mentioned, and find a way to see if it actually works.)
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On the debate for healing, I'm just going to comment.
It is possible to make a method of healing out of your Beginning Affinity.
It won't be very strong however, you can't 'Beginning' a person back to health, but you can start a 'Beginning' back to it.
Also, on the subject of 'You can learn anything'.
The more time passes, the less of 'anything' you can learn.
Cerys herself and the people around her are seeing what she can do and 'Believing' that is what she can do.
This makes your abilities stronger and grow faster, but it limits what you can learn.
Your Affinities give you some lee-way here, but its not Infinite. Yet
It is possible to make a method of healing out of your Beginning Affinity.
It won't be very strong however, you can't 'Beginning' a person back to health, but you can start a 'Beginning' back to it.
Also, on the subject of 'You can learn anything'.
The more time passes, the less of 'anything' you can learn.
Cerys herself and the people around her are seeing what she can do and 'Believing' that is what she can do.
This makes your abilities stronger and grow faster, but it limits what you can learn.
Your Affinities give you some lee-way here, but its not Infinite. Yet
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So... can I take this as another confirmation for my stance on "Get the set together now, level it up later"?
Besides, would making a Beginning-based healing not be akin to timey-wimey stuff?
(As in: reset back to how it was before)
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Resetting the insides of someone's body to the state they were in before is a terrible idea.
Sure, the damage is healed, but their organs are also twenty feet to their left, falling from chest height.
Also, you don't have a time affinity. You can create new Beginnings, but unless you want to go a little crazy, I would avoid time-travel.
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Since I doubt a few hundreds/thousands Humans are enough to alter the concepts of 'Beginning' and 'End', I'm assuming what the people's belief is actually altering is the breadth of magic available to a MG outside their affinities, right?
Edit: I guess if we want to have some abilities/spells outside our affinities we should try to learn them as soon as possible.
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Huh. I just realized we're a walking Brahmastra. Except worse.
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Yes.
Would that be Buddhism or Hinduism?
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Oh, I was thinking the actual Brahmastra.
Well, in burst damage, it has you beat right now.
But if you decided to just leave Alpha and Omega running indefinitely...
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This, yes. Crystal told us how it works in one of his off-hand posts.
Create a baby sun with the explosion. Ritually sacrifice it right after it's born, but before it winks out naturally a couple of seconds later to make it so much worse.
We can probably bypass the "ritually" part thanks to our End affinity. Or shortcut it anyway.
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Tis was the day Gaia regretted decisions she once made.
Although I guess the power necessary to fuel such a death field would consume Cerys before it could actually hurt Gaia. Especially because it only has 40m in length.
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That'd be one way to dig straight to the planet's core. Gaia would be pretty pissed.
(it would take way too much time anyway)
If we ever do that, we should make sure to only use A&O on magic to avoid any potential problem.
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You would think so.
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