Seeing Red [Naruto]
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As Shunshin has a direct chakra drain that the other options do not, one would expect it to be more powerful at the expense of being more tiring.
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It's less 'Chase them away from the post' and more 'This fucker just keeps dancing around my attempts to crush them! I MUST CRUSH HARDER!' and getting tunnel-visioned on that goal while we... Sort of just walk past?
I'm pretty sure I posted the Ball Passing video earlier to explain how Ninja could slip by us while we were defending civilians, but here it is again:
People are bad at paying attention to multiple things at once.
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And I'm sure the QM will find a way for any of them to be of use. For example, maybe the Dancing option includes that talent every single Naruto character has that allows them all to dodge the Great Fireball Technique. Or other jutsu.
However, with our build, especially our focus on Speed, I really, really think Shunshin Mastery will synergize the most, and as it is undoubtedly the one with the most overall utility(Tsubame Gaeshi 1.0a is the ability to cut twice at the same time, so it's only of use in melee, and Dancing is about disrupting the aim of the enemy, whether it is just Kunai and Shuriken, or jutsu as well). They certainly have their uses, and fit our build, but I simply find Shunshin Mastery to be the one that does so the best.
Also, as Redshirt Army said, Shunshin requires chakra for each use. The same will probably apply to the other options in some way, but the cost will likely be far less, as Shunshin Mastery truly shines when you spam it to confuse your enemies or blitz them ala Yellow Flash, while Dancing is only used to disrupt your opponent's aim when he's about to throw something(perhaps including jutsu) at you, and Tsubame Gaeshi 1.0a only activates when you already get close to your target, and just want to make sure they don't avoid your cut.
Tsubame Gaeshi 1.0 synergizes the most with our sword-focused Genjutsu and Ninjutsu. Specifically, the illusion that hides our sword's length and the technique that increases it invisibly. This option will basically add yet another negative modifier to the enemy's attempts to dodge. Another thing for them to consider every time we swing our blade.
The Dancing option, I think, is not quite as useful simply because of our Sharingan Genjutsu, which we can use to induce blindness and vertigo. It'd certainly synergize, but it doesn't provide as many benefits as either of the other options, especially Shunshin Mastery.
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If an option is so powerful as to completely overpower the other options in nearly every way, than what was the point in presenting the choice?.
I feel that dancing between raindrops is more fitting with our statement to Kakashi when he asked us for our weakness. Our defense has been our weakest area since forever.
That being said, I can see the value in shunshin, and I dont really mind if either one wins.
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Shunshin also synergizes with our sword-based combat style.
[x] It should be easy enough to occupy his attention for a short while. This will be safer to the hostages, but harder on you.
[x] Dance Between Raindrops. This trait allow the user to more effectively evade the aim of their enemy, their speed confusing the targeting ability of their opponents even further.
Do you remember how when Kakashi asked for her greatest weakness, a better defense was the answer? Yes.
[x] Dance Between Raindrops. This trait allow the user to more effectively evade the aim of their enemy, their speed confusing the targeting ability of their opponents even further.
Do you remember how when Kakashi asked for her greatest weakness, a better defense was the answer? Yes.
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Shunshin is a good defence as shown when Shisui avoids dozens of gass-bomb-throwing root anbu, mostly by teleporting out of the blast-radious.
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@Tekomandor By hostages do you mean the two grass 'genin' Karin has prisoner or some possible hostages that are with Gaara right now?
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However, presumably Ninja are significantly more observant than a normal person would be.. I'd presume chakra boosts their eyesight and stuff as well to some degree, otherwise they'd never really be able to keep up with the really fast fights.. Whilst what you say holds true for the likes of us, I'd think ninja would be beyond that to a significant extent.
[x] It should be easy enough to occupy his attention for a short while. This will be safer to the hostages, but harder on you.
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
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And I shall reiterate that the single best defence is to be so fast that nobody can track you, much less attack you. Minato proved that, and Shunshin Mastery allows us to get much closer to that level.
Shunshin's most basic use makes a person so fast they vanish from sight. Shunshin Mastery removes the drawbacks that keep it from being a viable option in combat, and our normal speed is already Kage-level. Dayum, that speed multiplier...
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if it's legitimately a better defense than the blatently defensive technique, than why would the defensive technique even be on the list?.
I'm thinking... Gaara is there with his team. To pass the second exam, the whole team has to pass. Why not also attack his teammates enough so his team fails the test? I am fairly sure that Hisana and Karin could occupy him enough so that the others could deal with either Kankuro or Temari.
Because the defensive technique costs zero chakra.
Shunshin OTOH costs chakra per use.
[x] It should be easy enough to occupy his attention for a short while. This will be safer to the hostages, but harder on you.
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
A driven Uchiha with a cousin and best friend that specializes in high speed combat...well, Itachi, how does it feel to have your head screwed with?
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
A driven Uchiha with a cousin and best friend that specializes in high speed combat...well, Itachi, how does it feel to have your head screwed with?
Because neither of them are pushovers, Kankuro uses poison gas, and we haven't ranked up our iryojutsu.
Having Sasuke inhale whatever the fuck it is Kankuro's puppet uses is likely to be bad for him.
Aranfan
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That's possible, but I give it even odds of causing Gaara to go Kaiju. Which would be bad.
We'd have to kill one of them. Unconscious isn't good enough, refer to what Karin is doing right now. I don't think we're willing to do that. And taking their scroll would just mean they'd attack two teams to get a pair instead of one.
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Watch from 5:37
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Shunshin no Shisui is shown teleporting so quickly into the spots of his insubstantial clones, that the enemy Anbu think he's using shadow-clones.
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You do realize that there's a difference between "disqualified" and "done fighting", right? Pissing Gaara off is a form of slow and painful suicide. Much better to occupy his attention then run away.
I'm an idiot.
[x] Unlimited Clone Works! Naruto bum rushes endless waves of clones at their team while the rest of you sneak by in the chaos.
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
[x] Genjutsu him and his team and sneak by. Between you and Sasuke you should have them thoroughly confounded. Fly if you can. If he notices then go at him with Naruto clones and sheer speed to occupy his attention for a short while.
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
[x] Shushin mastery. This trait allows the user far greater control over the Shushin, making it a viable move in combat. Specifically, straight lines are no longer a limiting factor.
What does sunshin even cost?. Considering our build, I somehow doubt this could really be considered a mitigating factor if it works the way you suggest.
Without seeing dancing between raindrops, your argument falls flat because there is no way to compare.
This would be like selling apples to someone by claiming they are better than oranges to a person who has never even seen an orange.
There would be no reason to have a purely defensive technique on the list if it fell completely flat defensively in comparison to a defensive/offensive technique on the same list, especially if they are mutually exclusive.
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Obviously dancing between raindrops is a better defensive technique overall.
What i'm arguing is that shunshin fulfils enough of a defensive role to protect us sufficiently, whilst also provided an unprecedented amount of offensive capability, general utility and in particular, synergy.
Imo, shunshin is the superior choice for not only min-maxing our stats (due to the extreme synergy with our current build), but also coolness factor (The reason i posted that video originally).
Dancing between raindrops is very good, but i think shunshin is better for us specifically, due to our build.