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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Vragni is hardly escalating either, i mean IIRC he publically announced that everyone was welcome at his citadel, even students of Khazgar, with the only possible exception being Snorri himself.
 
Alratan said:
Another option is that we may well have changed things so that Malkeith isn't campaigning on the edge of the Chaos Wastes, as Dum is gone and the eastern dwarves seem to have the problem well in hand, so Malkeith and Snorri Whitebeard don't need to go up there as part of expelling chaotic remnants from the Old World.

If he's not campainging there, he won't be in the right place to find the pre-Coming of Chaos city Vorshgarr and the Iron Circlet* within, so he won't have the vision that convinces him that taking over the elves to really ramp up the war on Chaos is much more urgent than he previously thought, and also doesn't grant him knowledge of and great control over Dhar, which means he won't have the incentive to adopt the tyrannical mind set required to wield Dhar.

He's also probaly had a front row seat to see how bad using Dhar is for people's critical faculties when fighting the Fimir.

This Malkeith may well rebel, but he's likely to be much more patient about it, particularly if he sticks to Qhaysh rather than True Dhar.

A Malkeith that emerges as the champion of the colonial elves' continental legitimate grievances with distant overlords demanding obedience and taxes from Ulthuan would be very different to the one of canon, but could still produce a very devastating war, particularly if he sought dwarven allies.

Depending on where collaboraton between colonial elven mages and runsmiths goes, you could even potentially see the use of runecraft to enhance mage's skills being his replacement for the extra power from True Dhar he replied on in canon.

* One day I'd quite like to make him a wisdom granting Crown/circlet, particularly based on the revelation that Snorri Whitebeard is trying, in some ways, to be the functional parent that Malkeith has never had. A crown that serves as an angel rather than a devil on his shoulder would be a nice reversal, and would be a natural development of where we're going with Mind of Things and with the contents of the recent update.



I made a point earlier that I think the Ancestor Gods set the precedent that the paramount form of social influence is via the example you set rather than the words you say, and I think dwarven culture has internalised that on a deep level. Thus, the way you do dwarven politics is the way Snorri is doing it
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I'll admit, I hope he still falls and kicks off the War of Vengeance.
 
Alratan said:
I made a point earlier that I think the Ancestor Gods set the precedent that the paramount form of social influence is via the example you set rather than the words you say, and I think dwarven culture has internalised that on a deep level. Thus, the way you do dwarven politics is the way Snorri is doing it
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True, but a lot of society is hierarchical despite the Ancestors' examples, with Runesmiths being the outlier that every single qualified master runesmith is responsible for and free to take any approach as long as they stay true to Thungni.
 
wabbitking said:
Even if he goes full dark elf he still has to lose the civil war and not die in the attempt.
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I think the key thing is that I don't want to avert the end of the golden age/butterfly away the Time of Troubles. There's something about playing in prequels, particular prequels that come before some great fall or tragedy, that makes me want the canon ending to remain possible.
 
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thamuzz said:
I think the key thing is that I don't want to avert the end of the golden age/butterfly away the Time of Troubles. There's something about playing in prequels, particular prequels that come before some great fall or tragedy, that makes me want the canon ending to remain possible.
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Takes the fun out of it if you keep bracing for a hit that never ends up coming.
 
I mean if Malekith doesn't go full crazy with dark magics and instead just became a normal rebel he would undoubtedly have a justification for it even if most people don't know.

The fake Phoenix Kings that use magic to survive aren't choose by their god to rule after all and the whole God gave nobility the right to rule isn't just a idea but reality to the elves.
 
MasterDrakus said:
I mean if Malekith doesn't go full crazy with dark magics and instead just became a normal rebel he would undoubtedly have a justification for it even if most people don't know.

The fake Phoenix Kings that use magic to survive aren't choose by their god to rule after all and the whole God gave nobility the right to rule isn't just a idea but reality to the elves.
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My desire for canon obviously excludes End Times. I have my limits.
 
thamuzz said:
I think the key thing is that I don't want to avert the end of the golden age. There's something about playing in prequels, particular prequels that come before some great fall or tragedy, that makes me want the canon ending to remain possible.
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Just because one of the reasons for the golden age ending doesn't happen doesn't mean it's not going to end. We'd still have the rise of the Skaven the green skins coming and the lizard men readjusting the Worlds Edge Mountains.

The Golden Age will almost certainly end. It's just a matter how badly it ends.
 
thamuzz said:
My desire for canon obviously excludes End Times. I have my limits.
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Even ignoring it tho, it is canon that Malekith was a amazing elf, a great warrior, sorcerer, diplomat making a friendship with the only rival power and thus cementing their alliance as the top dogs and even statesman since he was responsible for several colonies and the spread of Elves.

So if Malekith doesn't turns into some dark magic crazy dude there's absolutely no reason to repudiate him.
 
MasterDrakus said:
I mean if Malekith doesn't go full crazy with dark magics and instead just became a normal rebel he would undoubtedly have a justification for it even if most people don't know.

The fake Phoenix Kings that use magic to survive aren't choose by their god to rule after all and the whole God gave nobility the right to rule isn't just a idea but reality to the elves.
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>Fake Phoenix King

My contempt for The End Times is as vast as a sea and as limitless as the sky.
 
MasterDrakus said:
Even ignoring it tho, it is canon that Malekith was a amazing elf, a great warrior, sorcerer, diplomat making a friendship with the only rival power and thus cementing their alliance as the top dogs and even statesman since he was responsible for several colonies and the spread of Elves.

So if Malekith doesn't turns into some dark magic crazy dude there's absolutely no reason to repudiate him.
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My point is that I want him to turn into a dark magic crazy dude.

wabbitking said:
Just because one of the reasons for the golden age ending doesn't happen doesn't mean it's not going to end. We'd still have the rise of the Skaven the green skins coming and the lizard men readjusting the Worlds Edge Mountains.

The Golden Age will almost certainly end. It's just a matter how badly it ends.
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I'm hoping for canon levels of bad. I hoping that Hashtut will manage to pull himself back together and subvert the east for example.
 
BungieONI said:
This is why I just don't brace for it and don't think about that far future canon.
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Mhm, that's fair. Especially since it's doubtful that this quest - or the site - will live long enough to get there at the current ten-years-a-turn pace. Nothing against Soulcake, obviously; this is an amazing piece of work and just thinking about all the behind-the-scenes effort that goes into it is jaw-dropping, but yeah. Time's a bitch, no getting away from that.
MasterDrakus said:
Even ignoring it tho, it is canon that Malekith was a amazing elf, a great warrior, sorcerer, diplomat making a friendship with the only rival power and thus cementing their alliance as the top dogs and even statesman since he was responsible for several colonies and the spread of Elves.

So if Malekith doesn't turns into some dark magic crazy dude there's absolutely no reason to repudiate him.
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Warhammer snow elves could go hard though.
 
Voikirium said:
>Fake Phoenix King

My contempt for The End Times is as vast as a sea and as limitless as the sky.
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To be fair I always simped for him as the rightful Phoenix King even before the End Times, he may be a possibly incestuous maniacal dark lord, but damn he got the drip

Edit: Also things can always go bad in different ways, like say we someone manage to oppose the Lizardmen reordering and they get mad and come to teach the warmbloods a lesson, potentially even more dangerous than the elves since they won't have some political button to end the war.
 
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MasterDrakus said:
To be fair I always simped for him as the rightful Phoenix King even before the End Times, he may be a possibly incestuous maniacal dark lord, but damn he got the drip

Edit: Also things can always go bad in different ways, like say we someone manage to oppose the Lizardmen reordering and they get mad and come to teach the warmbloods a lesson, potentially even more dangerous than the elves since they won't have some political button to end the war.
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I simp for All the Elves man, including the Dark Elves, but that's a particularly shoddy bit of lore to base a position on.
 
thamuzz said:
I'm hoping for canon levels of bad. I hoping that Hashtut will manage to pull himself back together and subvert the east for example.
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... No!
We had a whole thing where he didn't succeed and got fucked over, which also fucked over Fate itself.
Just, just no.

I also don't really... see that happening?
Hashut Worships kind of fucked majorly in general, now, not only with it being forced underground rather than making their own empire, they're also being actively hunted, and their God is in so many Shards that piecing him back together is basically a pipe-dream at best.

You can want shit to be a tradgedy, but undoing something this massive and influential just feels like bad writting soley to make everything follow canon.
 
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next mega project, super defense in depth rune fortress that stores in expanded rune of storage runes 1 hundred holds worth of supplies and war materials with the whole area hidden behind layers upon layers of stealth and defensive runes, gronti guards, and dwarf monoliths diverting away all magics. all in a shell of gromril to prevent burrowing into the fortress.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
What does the term political mean to you? I get the feeling you think something has to have been intended to be a "political statement" by the person speaking for that to be the case. Ergo stories are non-political if the author doesn't intend or have a specific message they are portraying.

Is that your view?
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???
Its a non sequitor because I cannot see how it logically follows from the preceding discussion.
 
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The Void King said:
... No!
We had a whole thing where he didn't succeed and got fucked over, which also fucked over Fate itself.
Just, just no.

I also don't really... see that happening?
Hashut Worships kind of fucked majorly in general, now, not only with it being forced underground rather than making their own empire, they're also being actively hunted, and their God is in so many Shards that piecing him back together is basically a pipe-dream at best.

You can want shit to be a tradgedy, but undoing something this massive and influential just feels like bad writting soley to make everything follow canon.
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I said I had hopes, not high or realistic hopes.
 
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    • more dwarfs to the north! Snorri's plan to get even more money into his coffers and more toys to more beardlings and plaitlings is all going according to plan! :V
     
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    Will Whitebeard and Malekith start the ritual this turn?

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