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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Tbqh, I would like it if some other Martell was assigned heir, and all of our future children stayed Targaryen. If the point is putting Dornish blood on the Iron Throne and giving the Prince of Dorne a personal connection to the heir and her future children, not necessarily introducing Targaryen blood to the Martell line, it might work? But going "hey how about none of your kids will get to succeed you" still feels like a significant ask to me.
 
Wolfman217 said:
I think people are forgetting how big of a thing that is - the only non-Targs to EVER get Dragons are the Velaryons and that was ONLY because the woman who SHOULD have been Queen married their head AND they were ridiculously rich AND they are the most Valyrian after the Targ themselves.

Giving Martells dragons would just be a no go.
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I mean to be fair, Aegon, Heleana, Aemond and Daeron in canon all get dragons, and while yes they are children of king Viserys, they are also the children of the Hightower daughter of a second son, and were not even offically expected to ever take the throne since Rhaenyra was heir and had children.

Here, Heleana and Aelora are also likely to get dragons of their own despite house Westerling being less prestigious than house Hightower and while the twins are still not expected to inherit the Iron Throne.

So I don't think it's really true to say the Velaryons are the only house to ever get dragons, nor that they only got them due to being extremely powerful, thus making our Martell children free to also get dragons.

Sure the Reach and Stormlands have bad relations with Dorne, but given that we are Heir, and expected future Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, along with the fact house Martell is as powerful as Paramount house, I think it's fair to say that if we want our kids to have dragons, we can give them dragons.

I do see what you mean though, mayhaps not all our children SHOULD get dragons, but I felt the need to clarify that if we really want, then they all COULD get dragons.
 
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Lord of Sturgia said:
I mean to be fair, Aegon, Heleana, Aemond and Daeron in canon all get dragons, and while yes they are children of king Viserys, they are also the children of the Hightower daughter of a second son, and were not even offically expected to ever take the throne since Rhaenyra was heir and had children.
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The point is that they're expected to stay Targaryens and definitely aren't in line to inherit any other lands and names, which is the big thing that dragonriders shouldn't have. Having family ride dragons is perfectly fine and has always been, having anyone ride a dragon without being a Targaryen is a Big Deal and currently only allowed for Velaryons. Reluctantly.
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)

Let's fucking go.
 
[X] Decline The Offer

I favor a marriage with Gwayne Hightower. The quest for the throne will become far easier if we have secured Otto Hightower as a permanent ally by marrying his son.
 
[X] Take His Hand (Begin Marriage Negotiations With Qoren Martell)
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
We do still want to sit on the Small Council, and time spent at Sunspear is time not spent apprenticing under Lyonel to take his place. It's time away from Aelora to let our heart hearden towards her. It's time away from Otto to let his heart hearden towards us. About the only characters we could count on taking with us would be Qoren, Alicent, and Raylon. Otherwise we'd be surrounded by strangers. Also, sand.

Finally, I don't think it's correct to cede the point without contest that the Prince of Dorne is superior in rank to heir to the Iron Throne. Especially if we make Dorne's subordination to the Iron Throne a condition of our marriage.
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Susano said:
We would in fact only be the heir to the throne, while he is the Prince Regnant. We don't really have matters to attend to in KL as we don't rule there, while he has in Sunspear, because he rules there. If we were to keep a Lord Paramount in King's Landing, he would at least need to get a position here (see Jon Arryn or Renly Baratheon, for example). And as a ruling Prince he would stand in rank above Lords Paramount even.

Like, I accept what you and @Tomsawyer18 say, why we should be in KL. But there are also compelling reasons why he should be in Sunspear. As tom says, it is one problem the negotiations probably will have to solve. Though I guess giving Qoren a Small Council seat after the marriage and the oath of fealty would indeed be one solution for why the ruling Prince is in KL...
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I think these two posts are representative of the overall larger issues with marrying someone who is also important, or at least in this specific case also has a title. Whoever they are will likely wanna stick around their demesne like actually ruling while Rhaenyra definitely wants to stay around Kings Landing and/or Dragonstone to build her power base. I mean sure dragon, but that commute is still painful. A well connected second son--aka not heir--is actually neater logistically.
 
[x] Decline The Offer

I think this offer is pretty straightforward for the first generation, and highly beneficial in that time, but after that... I don't think we have the diplomatic skill or the intrigue skills needed to compete with Qoren in the household, and that's terrifying. I don't know how we stop him if his longterm play is "raise 1-2 children of Rhaenyra to be loyal to Dorne, secure dragon-riders for the Martells and take away Westeros's greatest advantage in a Dorne vs. Iron Throne conflict." We know that there are coming conflicts that will give him the opportunities he'd need to make such a play (Daemon powderkeg, Aelora powderkeg, Reach-Stormlands vs Dornish mutual hate situation)...

Qoren the Dragon Thief would go down in history as a Dornish legend.
 
Guiding Bolt said:
I don't think we have the diplomatic skill or the intrigue skills needed to compete with Qoren in the household, and that's terrifying.
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Guiding Bolt said:
Qoren the Dragon Thief would go down in history as a Dornish legend.
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That sounds like a really interesting story if we fail :V

But we should not fail! We should charm him right back. (And on that note, why are the plans floated so far suggest ignoring him for three months? Imo, the least we should do is dig for any information we can get on him.)
 
Somic said:
That sounds like a really interesting story if we fail :V

But we should not fail! We should charm him right back. (And on that note, why are the plans floated so far suggest ignoring him for three months? Imo, the least we should do is dig for any information we can get on him.)
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Because we're not negotiating. Daddy's negotiating, and we get an up-or-down vote on the terms. Presumably this will be in an interlude and not in regular turns.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
Because we're not negotiating. Daddy's negotiating, and we get an up-or-down vote on the terms. Presumably this will be in an interlude and not in regular turns.
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I don't mean in terms of participating in the negotiation itself, I mean genuinely just hanging out w him in our free time (scarce as it may be) and getting to know him. I just want to build up rapport so we can eventually dragongirl at him without coming across as threatening or rude. If there's a "Talk with Alicent and Qoren" option next turn or something like that for the purpose of letting the two of them get used to each other I'd really like that too.

I mean, if we have more pressing things to do it's fine by me, but I want the trio to at least get familiar with each other by the time we learn what the negotiations came to, however many turns it takes. Qoren can't stay in KL forever, taking Syrax to Sunspear would be a very questionable move this early...
 
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