Maybe we could give it as a gift to our new sibling? Like a shadowcat blanket?

That very much feels like a threat.

The way I see it is that for Rhaenyra the pelt is a trophy for her prowess. For anyone else it's just an easily replaceable fashion statement. Alicent, Viserys and Rhea are all very prominent, very wealthy people who could trivially get something just as nice for themself if they wanted to, but Rhaenyra can't just buy a proof of her prowess the same way.

Exactly what i was thinking!

This is basicaly a visual reminder to Rhaenyra herself and everyone araound her of how far she has come from start of her journey.

It will both boost her prestige (anybody questioning her prowess just needs to take a look at her cloak) and help her self esteem when she has doubts abaout the path she has taken.

Damn, now i am imagining the Shadowcat pelt as the world scariest safety blanket.
 
[X] [Rhea] The Stark
[X] [Rhea] [Romantic] Tell her she should follow her heart.
[X] [Shadowcat] Keep for yourself.


We could use a nice personal trophy, and I do agree that it's a little conspicuous to give Alicent the pelt so soon after the tourney.

e: gave it some thought, changed my Rhea vote
 
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"oh but Cregan's the Real Heir (tm) and maybe ousting him would be bad precedent or whatever"

I mean, it would absolutely create a bad precedent that could come back to bite us later.

And also feel out of character for Rhaenyra for how she has been until now in the Quest, beside that all our closest friends and allies like Alicent or Ser Tarly would really dislike if we backed what they would see as an usurper.
 
I think you guys are being mean for no reason.

I not being mean, I just annoyed that so many people are picking a bad option, when much better options are out there.

Hell, I think that write-in, you previously suggested was pretty rad. I just feel that keeping it for ourself (or as a gift for our Lady-Love) is better.
 
That is in fact a concern. If nothing else, the North will by default back Cregan, so it would mean having to invest resources, meddling in Northern internal politics and probably making a whole lot of enemies there with our heavy-handed approach... and all while the current Lord Paramount respects us anyway.

It just isn't worth it.

I think it has costs and benefits. It makes us more involved in the North, and it's quite likely to upset some people for a heavy handed approach.

On the other hand, it's a massive show of strength, and it's quite likely to get us a ride or die ally. Cregan in canon did need to be talked around by Jace, and there was a nebulous pact of ice and fire, and even then he was pretty late to the party.

Well, my thinking was the attempted coup was Bennard's doing, so a marriage would merely get Benjen out of the political conflict. It would literally be just about the prestigeous Stark name/lineage, without any political connections at all. Though TeenSpirit noted that the coup was the doing of Bennard and all three of his sons, so, ehhh... then again, if Benjen is that dumb here, how much could he have been doing anyway.

Even if marriage to Rhea pulls Benjen out of the war, if Bennard fails his relationship with Bennard turns him into a lodestone on Rhea's neck. The marriage alliance she would be expecting with the Starks and the North isn't there, and in fact her marriage sours that relationship. The prestige of being his wife is now negative.

If Bennard wins, now she's the wife of the Lord of Winterfell's son (hopefully a second son). The marriage alliance and prestige have improved, although she might have made enemies. But still, it's usually good to win wars and bad to lose them.

So if the war kicks off, it's pretty likely that Rhea will ask us for our help or influence. If we deny her, we're quite likely to lose her as an ally or at least degrade that relationship. So unless we're okay with saying yes, this marriage is quite likely to backfire on us.
 
I think it has costs and benefits. It makes us more involved in the North, and it's quite likely to upset some people for a heavy handed approach.

On the other hand, it's a massive show of strength, and it's quite likely to get us a ride or die ally. Cregan in canon did need to be talked around by Jace, and there was a nebulous pact of ice and fire, and even then he was pretty late to the party.

The Starks were rather late to party during the dance, althought that may have been due to large amount of time needed to muster their troops.
 
If Bennard wins, now she's the wife of the Lord of Winterfell's son (hopefully a second son).

Benjen is in fact Bennard's eldest son. The three sons, their names and order of birth are canonical, but we don't get birth dates or characterizations for the sons in canon, I think.

So if the war kicks off, it's pretty likely that Rhea will ask us for our help or influence. If we deny her, we're quite likely to lose her as an ally or at least degrade that relationship.

Hm, that is a concern, though, yeah. And really, if she does have all those cousins, it doesn't really matter much, now does it?

[X] [Rhea] [Romantic] Tell her she should follow her heart.

(if it isn't the Stark it has to be this or the other Romantic option, plus the other two candidates are pretty ehhhh anyway)
 
The Starks were rather late to party during the dance, althought that may have been due to large amount of time needed to muster their troops.
It was that, the fact that winter was rapidly approaching and they needed to stockpile food to avoid mass starvation and the fact that the Dance happens far, far too quickly for any civil war, much like Robert's Rebellion in the future.
 
He freaks out about us being in danger and forbid us from picking fights to the death. So we sent him the pelt of an incredibly dangerous wild animal we killed in personal combat/etc. Yes, we're technically not breaking his rules, but it's legit just taunting him.
Alright, so you don't know it. You just believe it. Good to get that all cleared up.

One could argue that he might appreciate the gift because it'll remind him that while Rhaenyra might get into fights occasionally, she's capable of killing a shadowcat singlehandedly, so he doesn't need to worry so much. Alternatively, it might also convey that Rhaenyra thinks of him first despite them being so far apart and not having seen each other for months. One might even say that it could tell a story about how Rhaenyra feels compelled to help those around her because he's instilled those values in her as his child and heir.

My point isn't that you're wrong, it's that there might be other ways he'll react than what you believe to be the case so saying you know for sure is kind of silly.
 
Alright, so you don't know it. You just believe it. Good to get that all cleared up.

My point isn't that you're wrong, it's that there might be other ways he'll react than what you believe to be the case so saying you know for sure is kind of silly.

It not confirmed but it seems very likely that Viserys will freak, if we sent it to him.
 
An interesting angle with the Stark that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Bennard Stark canonically gets into a succession crisis with Cregan. After Rickard dies Bennard is regent and is "slow" to surrender power to Cregan even after his majority. This eventually resulted in a war, which Cregan won, and the imprisonment of Bennard and his sons.

If Rhea marries Bennard's son, and this conflict happens then it makes sense for her to support Bennard. And then it might make sense for us to support Bennard, as she's our ally.

I think that could be sound politics and see no particular reason to favor Cregan, so I'm pretty fine with that. However, mentioning this because I wouldn't want us to suggest that marriage and then shoot ourselves in the foot politically by supporting Cregan because he's technically the "true heir" or whatever and we didn't see this coming.
...Why would want to support Bennard?
 
[X] [Rhea] [Romantic] Tell her she should follow her heart.
[X] [Shadowcat] Keep for yourself.
 
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