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This is so fucking stupid. We know he's going to hate the gift. We KNOW this.
Maybe we could give it as a gift to our new sibling? Like a shadowcat blanket?
The way I see it is that for Rhaenyra the pelt is a trophy for her prowess. For anyone else it's just an easily replaceable fashion statement. Alicent, Viserys and Rhea are all very prominent, very wealthy people who could trivially get something just as nice for themself if they wanted to, but Rhaenyra can't just buy a proof of her prowess the same way.
This is so fucking stupid. We know he's going to hate the gift. We KNOW this.
How do we know this? I certainly don't.This is so fucking stupid. We know he's going to hate the gift. We KNOW this.
I think you guys are being mean for no reason.It seems nearly half of the people voting aren't listening to logic. They seem to think it would be funny to cause him a heart attack.
How do we know this? I certainly don't.
I think you guys are being mean for no reason.
"oh but Cregan's the Real Heir (tm) and maybe ousting him would be bad precedent or whatever"
That is in fact a concern. If nothing else, the North will by default back Cregan, so it would mean having to invest resources, meddling in Northern internal politics and probably making a whole lot of enemies there with our heavy-handed approach... and all while the current Lord Paramount respects us anyway.
It just isn't worth it.
Well, my thinking was the attempted coup was Bennard's doing, so a marriage would merely get Benjen out of the political conflict. It would literally be just about the prestigeous Stark name/lineage, without any political connections at all. Though TeenSpirit noted that the coup was the doing of Bennard and all three of his sons, so, ehhh... then again, if Benjen is that dumb here, how much could he have been doing anyway.
I think it has costs and benefits. It makes us more involved in the North, and it's quite likely to upset some people for a heavy handed approach.
On the other hand, it's a massive show of strength, and it's quite likely to get us a ride or die ally. Cregan in canon did need to be talked around by Jace, and there was a nebulous pact of ice and fire, and even then he was pretty late to the party.
If Bennard wins, now she's the wife of the Lord of Winterfell's son (hopefully a second son).
So if the war kicks off, it's pretty likely that Rhea will ask us for our help or influence. If we deny her, we're quite likely to lose her as an ally or at least degrade that relationship.
It was that, the fact that winter was rapidly approaching and they needed to stockpile food to avoid mass starvation and the fact that the Dance happens far, far too quickly for any civil war, much like Robert's Rebellion in the future.The Starks were rather late to party during the dance, althought that may have been due to large amount of time needed to muster their troops.
Alright, so you don't know it. You just believe it. Good to get that all cleared up.He freaks out about us being in danger and forbid us from picking fights to the death. So we sent him the pelt of an incredibly dangerous wild animal we killed in personal combat/etc. Yes, we're technically not breaking his rules, but it's legit just taunting him.
Alright, so you don't know it. You just believe it. Good to get that all cleared up.
My point isn't that you're wrong, it's that there might be other ways he'll react than what you believe to be the case so saying you know for sure is kind of silly.
...Why would want to support Bennard?An interesting angle with the Stark that I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Bennard Stark canonically gets into a succession crisis with Cregan. After Rickard dies Bennard is regent and is "slow" to surrender power to Cregan even after his majority. This eventually resulted in a war, which Cregan won, and the imprisonment of Bennard and his sons.
If Rhea marries Bennard's son, and this conflict happens then it makes sense for her to support Bennard. And then it might make sense for us to support Bennard, as she's our ally.
I think that could be sound politics and see no particular reason to favor Cregan, so I'm pretty fine with that. However, mentioning this because I wouldn't want us to suggest that marriage and then shoot ourselves in the foot politically by supporting Cregan because he's technically the "true heir" or whatever and we didn't see this coming.