Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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Derpmind said:
Doing research normally for us means doing at least one research action every turn. We'd almost never use MoMT's boost to passive actions unless we go out of our way to do so.
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My view on this is that as soon as we leave Denva, we will both run into opportunites and be equipped to take advantage of them with exploration, which will almost certaintly shift our action economy like I've been saying many times. And unlike most of research, quite many of the opportunities to explore can be transient and involve enemies and other dangers. So we might not have the time for it every single turn if we want to properly explore hostile locations. Meaning that if that is the case, Anexa would be on the passive-bench regardless.

Also, the +10 bonus to specialties on active turns is still good by itself. I just think that MoMT will give overall better returns.

EDIT: some wording changes, etc. for clarity
 
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[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.

[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents
[X] Cia: Yes
 
Derpmind said:
Doing research normally for us means doing at least one research action every turn. We'd almost never use MoMT's boost to passive actions unless we go out of our way to do so.
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We'd still get its active benefit whenever we actively assign her to research where her specialty applies. And we do have the option of assigning her passive while doing research, right? Though MoMT also needs her actively assigned to projects outside her talents in order to collect more talents.

Zero research does seem rare. Happens when we're very heavy in combat ops and diplomacy (and exploration, presumably) or when we're really pushing exponential construction?
 
[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.

[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents
[X] Cia: Yes
 
[X] Anexa: Jack of All knowledge

[X] Cia: No
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There was talk of offering stuff to get a bunch of less capable psyckers to join us.

Is there anything stopping us from getting the Telekinsis/explorer kid to join too?
 
[x] Anexa: Jack of All knowledge
[x] Cia: Yes
[x] Space Marine: Talk
- [x] Pretend to be an Explorator Magos, establishing a foothold of defense at this world and possessing an archaeotech ship. We have not been in contact with the Imperium since well before the Great Rift.
 
Sesparra said:
Just diplomacy rolls?
But also like… character bloat
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Not a bad thing. It'll probably get more common as we explore to have rolls that are just exploration or diplomacy and all that.

As for bloat… We have 3. 3 crew and Vita. That's it so far. We'd have 5 characters total if we got the telekinetic bean. Another point is that people are so hesitant to give Cia the Champion role because they want a grand-scale Psyker. Telekinetic bean can do that, since he's not likely to want to be a champion or get into fisticuffs.

That'll ease the issue with Cia, give us another crew member to add bonuses to various rolls, and we'll want all the slots filled eventually, so getting them sooner lets them level faster and become more useful more quickly. Also lets us give another explorer bean a chance to explore the stars like he wants to.

We'll get those characters eventually, why not sooner?
 
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If we pick up Ker, we might have to apologize for literally treating him as second priority? I dunno, seems like a bit of a rough start to the relationship...
 
ShadeFiende said:
As for bloat… We have 3. 3 crew and Vita. That's it so far. We'd have 5 characters total if we got the telekinetic bean. Another point is that people are so hesitant to give Cia the Champion role because they want a grand-scale Psyker. Telekinetic bean can do that, since he's not likely to want to be a champion or get into fisticuffs.
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A slight asterisk to that. We also have a potential Navigator bean. Though we will most likely want to go through at least the genetics tech-tree to a certain point and the basics on understanding what the warp actually is. So that when we do start developing the fetus, the chance of things ending horribly or just poorly will be as low as feasible.

EDIT: Also, might as well add the AI art I found for the Navigator bean, so that I don't forget it:
 
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[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.
[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents
[X] Cia: Yes
 
[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.
[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents
[X] Cia: No
 
Derpmind said:
Utilizing Master of Many Talents is going to require us to avoid doing any research actions for many turns. That just doesn't feel fun to me. I really enjoy the research we do every turn, and I don't want to only do research on some turns. Plus, we'll effectively be punished for doing too much research, since not putting Anexa on her passive action often enough means we're not benefiting from the trait properly. It feels bad to me either way.
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Ehhh, keep in mind - the new Jack applies its bonus to the passive too. I can't speak to what neablis has chosen to run with or not, but I actually pitched the idea of the new passive providing discounts spread out across different, not-chosen-by-the-players techs. The intent was to make an interesting choice: Do you rush the research docket right in front of you, or rack up longer term RP efficiencies?

Yeah, that's right. The original concept was that we'd sometimes want to do research without anexa, so that we could have higher research throughput overall. Again, I don't know how Neablis is going to balance the numbers here, or if he's taken anything but the lightest inspiration from that pitch (or any at all! He could already have been planning this lol).

But for a roll for discounts that can fail to be worth our time, the average return has to be more RP than putting Anexa on a research action to compensate for the inconsistency - this is a common game design principle. For one that assigns its discounts in a way we don't control, it has to be even better than that because it has to be balanced against effectively randomizing the time until we find it opportune to research - or conversely, a randomized opportunity cost versus putting points on a tech we know will be useful soon.

Point being, under either perk, I'd have some serious criticisms of the passive action if it didn't lead to a higher average rate of research completions.
 
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[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.

[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents

[X] Cia: Yes

Nightlord256 said:
I'm onboard with giving them almost everything. I'd like to hold back warp / psytech related stuff from the general populace. I'm not sure they are ready for cognito hazards. If we want to give the psy shielding or void abacus (once researched) I'd be okay with that. But certainly nothing on the scrapcode or the like.
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Fair enough (though I think we should give them access to the Warp Abacus schematics), though we could give the more esoteric stuff to the Monasteries since they should be the most able in handling it.
 
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[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.

[X] Anexa: Master of Many Talents
[X] Cia: Yes
 
[X] Space Marine: Talk
-[X] Explain who you are, that you're an explorer from what is--by now--a very long dead human state, and you certainly aren't an enemy of the Emperor or plan to become one if you have any say over the matter. You've heard fairly positive things about the Adeptus Astartes though from checking through some archives, and you're willing to discuss some means where you can work out some level of reasonable cooperation--goodness knows everything looks like it's turned into an outright mess since you were forced to take a very long nap.
[X] Anexa: Jack of All knowledge
[X] Cia: No
 
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