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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Swear that you will not purchase arms if that would disrupt shipments to FCNY. This is a significant gesture of goodwill, but with the world so unsettled, ultimately these may not be terms that anybody can guarantee; if USA sees any more major demand spikes, they'll have to prioritize, and somebody will lose their order.
-[X] Allow FCNY to attend the CDE as a buyer so that they can speak to other companies that are there to compete for a full-force procurement contract and will want somebody to buy their things if they can't make the sale with you. This will not be as fast as the arrangement FCNY already had, however, and it will mean that you have competition for contracts instead of being the sole buyer.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.

Can't afford the Revivalist council splitting just when we got this started.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Allow FCNY to attend the CDE as a buyer so that they can speak to other companies that are there to compete for a full-force procurement contract and will want somebody to buy their things if they can't make the sale with you. This will not be as fast as the arrangement FCNY already had, however, and it will mean that you have competition for contracts instead of being the sole buyer.
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.

I'm not willing to compromise our own defence to the degree that the other options do, but I'm willing to invite FCNY to the arms expo and share some of USA, PLC's stock.
 
Manowl said:
Yes again this could have been prevented if our NY contact or diplomacy team or whatever told us that they were off limits or that we will have a discussion on the situation, but either way I'm more than fine looking at what NY get what it whats then look at the stuff left and see if we want it at all actually or some chinese or europe company is offering something better or something cheaper and is easier for us to make replacement parts as well.
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They kinda did tell us.... At the conference and Poptart has shown us now WHY they said that.
PoptartProdigy said:
Through an initial contact with the freedom runner Dara Grimes, you've managed to secure several productive meetings with prominent members of the American Diaspora, with other agents following up on initial contact to get into Europe and continue the work. You've spread the word of your accomplishments and your interest in hiring talented, patriotic members of the Diaspora far and wide, and people are starting to answer. Skilled personnel will to an extent always be a matter of shortage, but this will significantly relieve the pressure. This option, being completed in the same turn as Source Foreign Arms, and each done in a single turn, has turned up an unexpected synergy that you'll see in that option's upcoming interlude.

The FCNY has raised concerns at the Revivalist Council about your encroachment into their traditional sphere of influence -- both in poaching people from the expatriate networks that give them so much influence in Europe, and in your direct approaches to the same defense manufacturers even now handling the FCNY's own rapid rearmament. This will escalate to the Revivalist Council...

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Establish Council Representation
Needed: 36. Rolled: 43. 1 Success. Complete.

Given how annoyed FCNY is right now, you are extremely glad that you did this when you did. The personnel are out and settled into place. Not before time, too.

Support staff for your representative are in place to assist in handling the blowback from FCNY regarding your work in their traditional sphere of influence. Interlude incoming.

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So mechanically. What we got in our roll was we got a synergy between foreign disapora and source foreign arms, in that USA PL thinks we the next big thing in reviving the USA and they want to throw their existing stockpiles to us.

Something we asked them for because we needed foreign arms badly.

New York found out what we did and they complained, and this update is them telling us why it's such a big deal.


I'm afraid we lose the synergy bonus but I think it's worth it, we need more troops to fuck with Victoria and Russia.

[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:


[X][X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.


NY not going to be happy but they get something of what they need. We lose some of the advantage of swinging the foreign disapora on our side but showing that we WILLING to concede to NY highlights we not a tyrant and can be reasoned with.
 
1:Our difficulties with procuring foreign arms are unsurprising, but deeply problematic. We must have those weapons in time for the next war. With Russia landing troops to directly crush the Crusaders, we cannot hope for Victoria to go unsupported. Unfortunately, we lack anything like the contacts we would need to get an in with various suppliers. Our plan was to rely on the Erie War to give us the cachet to break into the arms trade as a buyer, but other concerns have overridden us. We need to make ourselves noticed. I know that all of this is State's job, but it must be our first priority. We need to either find contacts or make ourselves attractive.

"As far as projects under my purview, my recommendation is to focus on officer training and the establishment of our standing army. I'd like to be putting our road map together, but we lack our sources of foreign arms, and those will be crucial in what we choose to do."




2:"The warning signs I saw last year about limited state power are coming due. We have more demands on our time than ever, each of which leads to a potentially spiraling issue.

"In terms of our priorities, I would dearly like to focus on taxation. The government can get a lot more done if it brings in more money. The issue is actually achieving that; we lack experts. Have you tried talking to Secretary Harris about an approach to the Diaspora? We could really use some qualified personnel. Otherwise, the situation with Detroit and Gary is a time bomb. We need to hash out a deal



3:More plans laid down. We have more work to do. Madame President, I echo my colleagues' calls for outreach to the Diaspora. I'm sure we're making mistakes, and the thought of handling the Gary-Detroit Works without them sends chills down my spine. And...there's a lot. We're starting to run up against early plan targets that we cannot fail without guaranteeing that we'll fall short of our objectives."


4:Secretary Doris Stratford, CSP.

"While it won't be my job, President Johnson, creating the Department of Education is one of my prouder achievements. Still, though, work remains. We have work in boosting our capabilities now. I add my voice to the chorus calling for outreach to the Diaspora. We need educational experts. We need to get some of our workers beyond DoE's remit trained to fulfill Plan goals. Frankly, despite the challenges, we need to start now or we'll start hitting personnel crunches."

5:Secretary Thelma Hartman, CPP.

"President Johnson, I'm honored to have been chosen for this position. I've worked in education for the State of Illinois for many years, and I'm excited to continue work for the Commonwealth. And there's a lot to do.

"First of all, every single one of my colleagues has visited, asking me to ask you to support State's efforts at outreach to the Diaspora, and I fully agree. We need experts in every field, and education is a skill of its own. We need teachers, qualified teachers who speak English and Spanish. There's work to be done even in their absence, but we're going to be sharply hampered until we can get them. It will take decades to reestablish domestic training of teachers. We need people coming in from overseas.

All that said, grand plans can wait. The first thing we absolutely must do is examine the state of education across the Commonwealth. I know how things are set up in Illinois. Some of our states have records over a decade out of date. I can offer no other realistic course of action but this. We cannot achieve anything of actual use until we understand what we're working with."
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Ok, so that's the advice we got from Turn 7, being we need the disapora to help us solve our problems. They are mission critical.


When we combined source foreign arms with this, we got a bonus and well, USA PL is going to throw the existing stockpile they have kept for NY to US.

This is a BOON militarily.


BUT doing so offended New York, a power we want to keep friendly. Shawnee and Mississippi is already a thorn on our side, we cannot afford to offend New York. We need them to tie down Russia, Victoria, we need their expertise to gain access to finance, when we build the USA, New York is going to be extremely helpful, especially if we can get the New York state intact, because this is where Victoria kept her heavy industry (as per Rumsfield. That datum may be obsolete)


Any action we take cannot offend the disapora. We cannot go nah, we reject your help, go to New York fuckers. We need diplomacy.


Hence my vote. Negotiate, we show everyone that we reasonable, everyone can get something of what they need and we can then work together to get the rest of what we want. Lie on US PLA maybe to find us more sources.


Gods.... I hope our dice roll and AP pool holds out because this is clearly an AP trap our GM is creating.....



We also should work on creating a wish list of what we want, while also recognising that unless we fuck over NY, we never going to get what we wish for.

An armoured division will be nice but what if NY gets all the tanks? Etcetcetc.
 
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[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Yes. You aren't happy about cutting a major supplier of American-descended hardware -- reportedly one of the major suppliers of that hardware -- out of your market, but FCNY has convinced you that their need is truly dire. And, while they're not making threats yet, you don't especially want to test the goodwill of one of the other major nerve centers of the Revivalist movement, not while preparing for a massive war with Victoria.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Allow FCNY to attend the CDE as a buyer so that they can speak to other companies that are there to compete for a full-force procurement contract and will want somebody to buy their things if they can't make the sale with you. This will not be as fast as the arrangement FCNY already had, however, and it will mean that you have competition for contracts instead of being the sole buyer.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[ X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X ] Allow FCNY to attend the CDE as a buyer so that they can speak to other companies that are there to compete for a full-force procurement contract and will want somebody to buy their things if they can't make the sale with you. This will not be as fast as the arrangement FCNY already had, however, and it will mean that you have competition for contracts instead of being the sole buyer.
 
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Again don't think it's a good idea to invite them to the weapons convention we really need it, like I am more than fine banning that one company so NY has what it needs so we can not fuck with each others supply.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Swear that you will not purchase arms if that would disrupt shipments to FCNY. This is a significant gesture of goodwill, but with the world so unsettled, ultimately these may not be terms that anybody can guarantee; if USA sees any more major demand spikes, they'll have to prioritize, and somebody will lose their order.
 
Manowl said:
Again don't think it's a good idea to invite them to the weapons convention we really need it, like I am more than fine banning that one company so NY has what it needs so we can not fuck with each others supply.
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They are the major , one of THE major suppliers of American descended hardware in the market.


If we ban the company, then we need to consider going foreign like European. Which won't be a bad idea since Europe, China and Japan are likely the only other places we can get advanced gear out from.


I quoting Japan not because they our ally or aligned with us, but hey, the Great Game means you sometimes have strange bedfellows. Afterall, it's easier to stab them when they asleep. Ditto Korea
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to restrict any purchases from USA to hardware FCNY deems to be non-critical to their immediate deterrence needs. This could complicate your procurement strategy and would affect your bargaining power going into these critical negotiations, but would offer FCNY a guarantee that you simply will not impinge on the supplies they most need.
 
[X] Negotiate. You don't want to put FCNY out, but you can't just ban a major arms manufacturer sight unseen. You have to arm up, too. Pick any of the following you like:
-[X] Offer to jointly approach USA.PLC with an agreement that FCNY will have a specific, majority proportion of any available deliveries for the first few years, with the balance shifting to you as time goes on. Requires that you each will need to purchase elsewhere to complete your armament plans, as there is not enough USA.PLC for the both of you.
 
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