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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Write in, say that it isn't a bad idea and that she is interested, but she will send a letter to him later, if we agree. Then Rhaenyra can write a letter to her father and Jeyne for their opinion. See what her father thinks, and see what Jeyne knows about. Maybe even Royce? We can reject Isembard later too, if we don't think it will work out.

I think we should gather more information before agreeing to anything. So we can kick the 'can' to the next turn with more information.
 
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Lord of Sturgia said:
You might be overestimating how badly Corlys would take this, I doubt it will make him declare a blood fued,
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I doubt it will either, my point is more that we're already somewhat in Corlys's "miffed" books and I don't think putting more ink in that ledger is wise. Even though Viserys was going to reject Laena anyway, from their perspective we came to them with a deal under which we would support Laena to our father, they countered, we rejected, and not long after Viserys has chosen a different suitor who wasn't even on the cards to anyone before that!

He's nowhere near blood feuding with us. But we want to entice him into our camp slowly but surely, not drive him and his houses three dragons into the arms of Daemon. We just need to quietly exist and not annoy him rather than make him annoyed, vent about it to his ally / friend / whatever-exactly who hates us. We play the quiet long game and let Daemon who is an annoying arse in the medium term piss him off somehow.

Actually let me reiterate a point from that - three dragons, one of which is Vhaegar. Of the five dragon riders in the world right now they are a solid 60% of them. Daemon hates us. We do not want to annoy House Velayron until we (somehow) have more Dragon Riders than they do.
 
What I'd like to do is hold Isembard's proposal as a card close to our chest, that we can play if the Velaryons snub us badly when we visit Driftmark. I see little point in alienating them preemptively if we don't have to. And Isembard can't threaten us. He already revealed to us his biggest threat: hiring a mercenary army. But Arnold had a mercenary army too, and it quailed before Syrax. We can afford to string him along for a bit.
 
The worst that can happen to us is Corlys getting hostile to us, but he... already is that anyway? Like, I can see dropping Ysembard as part of a comprehensive agreement with Corlys, but in the absence of such a one:

[X] Agree to the deal.
 
[] Write-in (Subject to QM's Approval)
-[] You'll give this offer further consideration in your travels, and will keep in touch. (Rhaenyra wants to see how she's received in Driftmark before aligning against the Velaryons.)

Something like this perhaps, @Teen Spirit ?
 
Valeryon already treated us as a junior partner that he can boss around. We won't be getting anywhere with him unless we can prove to him that we are not easily put under his thumb and that requires us actually maneuvering to build up a power base of our own.

[X] Agree to the deal.
 
TheBarrometer said:
But we want to entice him into our camp slowly but surely, not drive him and his houses three dragons into the arms of Daemon
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The thing about that is that Daemon would likely never kill us while Viserys lives, he loves Viserys too much for that, so even in worst case scenario where Daemon and Corlys ally to put Daemon on the throne, we have years until such a conflict, years we could use to have dragon rider children of our own, or to ally with our Westerling siblings.

On top of that, the "Loveless" marriage between Rhaneyra and Laenor wouldn't be loveless, since Rhaneyra would have Alicent and since there's no Criston with a white cloak, Laenor would have Joffrey, plus, Rhaenyra and Laenor in canon were friends, so not only would the marriage smooth over our attempts to reduce Corly's monopoly, it also would be workable for Rhaenyra.

Also i'm just not really a fan of the idea of attempting to mollify someone who might already be our enemy, since Corlys almost certainly knows it was us who got Viserys with Johanna, and he gave us a rather curt letter when we asked Laenor to join our progress, along with having been fighting a successful war in the Stepstones for more than a year now with Daemon, they might already be in a hate circle for us.

So no, I don't agree we should purposefully keep our position weak and Corly's poisition strong in the hopes we get some pity points from him, also you're underestimating Rhaenys, by the time Viserys has keeled over and the lines have been drawn, Syrax will be bigger and we'll be at the very least an accomplished warrior and even if our Westerling siblings are against us too, we'll likely have dragon riding children to bolster our numbers, so either way any war of succession will be destructive.

I doubt Rhaenys will want her children and husband to fight in a war they could very likely die in or even want Laena married to someone like Daemon, also, rather morbid, but if Daemon fathers children on Laena, she might die from childbirth like in canon and in that case, uh, Vhagar is free.
 
Parzival95 said:
[] Write-in (Subject to QM's Approval)
-[] You'll give this offer further consideration in your travels, and will keep in touch. (Rhaenyra wants to see how she's received in Driftmark before aligning against the Velaryons.)
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Okay I will point out that Driftmark is at the end so you're effectively keeping him waiting for nearly a year. He's gonna assume you just forgot about the entire thing by that point and move on.
 
how much control would we have over our portion of the ships? like, can we pick what they trade in? or is that a background thing that we as players don't need to worry about
 
[] Agree to the deal.

Fair enough. I have to assume Corlys is already considering Laenas marriage to Daemon.
 
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Zimmerwald1915 said:
What I'd like to do is hold Isembard's proposal as a card close to our chest, that we can play if the Velaryons snub us badly when we visit Driftmark. I see little point in alienating them preemptively if we don't have to. And Isembard can't threaten us. He already revealed to us his biggest threat: hiring a mercenary army. But Arnold had a mercenary army too, and it quailed before Syrax. We can afford to string him along for a bit.
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Nooo my action economy!!!! But honestly yeah. I'm still clinging to the hope that we could somehow win over the actual dragon-riding members of the Velaryons enough that Corlys would grit his teeth and play nice. So far Rhaenyra's most direct action 'against' them was trying to put limits on the Viserys and Laena maraige, and well Rhaenys and Laena herself obviously weren't keen on the 'toss a 13 year old at Viserys' plan. Okay Rhaenyra being part of the line that usurped Rhaenys' heirship is a thing too, but I'm assuming they can be somewhat reasonable on not holding a grudge against Rhaenyra for stuff that happened before she was born.

I'm worried if we do something that seem to target the economic base of the house as a whole, it might make the others firmly decide Rhaenyra is the enemy now.
 
Azel said:
Valeryon already treated us as a junior partner that he can boss around. We won't be getting anywhere with him unless we can prove to him that we are not easily put under his thumb and that requires us actually maneuvering to build up a power base of our own.

[X] Agree to the deal.
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I think Corlys is already prone to viewing everything Rhaenyra does in the least flattering and most paranoid light possible--see the reaction to "what about a longer betrothal?" being "lmao I don't trust shit you Targaryens say anymore." I guess I'm concerned he'd this view this as Rhaenyra deciding to start culling his economic base and firmly establish ourselves as his enemy. Then again, it might be something we have to do at some point anyways or resign ourselves to really really sucking up to win him over.

Teen Spirit said:
Toss a 12 year old at Viserys.
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that just makes it worse aaahahahh.
 
A_Somebody said:
that doesnt help
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I need to point out how "Viserys marrying Laena" was viewed as horrific by basically everyone but Corlys, who probably also hated it but felt his entitlement mattered more.


Seperate note. I feel the need to point out we're talking a couple of small guilds and a few ships, Isembard is not gonna instantly overturn the economy of King's Landing.
 
I really think we should just have a write in basically saying that we will get back to Isembard later. One, so that we have more time and information. Two, so that Corlys can maybe be hopeful be more chill later and we can have more civil discussions or letters.
We can make further plans in later turns.
 
Lord of Sturgia said:
So no, I don't agree we should purposefully keep our position weak
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But I don't think our position is weak. Our position is only weak if Corlys / House Velayron become our enemies in war where they could use their fleet / position to try and starve King's Landing. I think that Isembard wants to make money and thinks he can play at our insecurities and I think the thread is buying his line.

Otherwise what do we, the monarch/heir, care about which specific set of merchants carry trade goods to the capital so long as they arrive and the people aren't starving?

Lord of Sturgia said:
Also i'm just not really a fan of the idea of attempting to mollify someone who might already be our enemy,
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You previously said he wasn't blood feuding and now you think he's our enemy? I think he's miffed at us because from his perspective we kept Laena and his blood from the Throne. I think that with time and diplomacy he can be won around - undermining his houses source of income is going to annoy him further.
 
FallenDawn said:
I really think we should just have a write in basically saying that we will get back to Isembard later. One, so that we have more time and information. Two, so that Corlys can maybe be hopeful be more chill later and we can have more civil discussions or letters.
We can make further plans in later turns.
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QM already stated that if we keep Isembard waiting until Driftmark, he will assume we forgot and move on from the ideam so while we can probably keep him waiting for a bit, it does seem like we need to be decisive.
 
Relentless Storm said:
QM already stated that if we keep Isembard waiting until Driftmark, he will assume we forgot and move on from the ideam so while we can probably keep him waiting for a bit, it does seem like we need to be decisive.
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Also winter is coming and keeping his assets basically in a holding pattern for what could be months is less than ideal, he could afford sure but he wouldn't like it.
 
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