Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Dresden files magic is usually passed down matrilineally, so unless Susan is a mage then the odds are against her.

Amanda Lucia for example is more likely to have magic due to Rosie having it.
Pretty sure Maggie won that lottery. The paternal side of things doesn't matter as much, but it still matters a little and Harry is from a stupid powerful lineage of wizards. Her mother was also a half red for the entire pregnancy, so there's been supernatural stuff around her since literally before she was born.

Wizardry is a property of the soul, so not having a wizard mother in particular isn't a dealbreaker.

Given how freely she interacts with spirits on her own terms from what little we do see of her it seems likely Maggie got something.


Plus, the secret law of the DF universe is that things that torment Harry - especially funny ones - are more likely to happen than anything else.

I'd argue that requiring him to raise Sabrina the Teenage Witch is a substantially funnier way for the universe to mess with its favorite punching bag and is therefore the most likely option. :V
 
Pretty sure Maggie won that lottery. The paternal side of things doesn't matter as much, but it still matters a little and Harry is from a stupid powerful lineage of wizards. Her mother was also a half red for the entire pregnancy, so there's been supernatural stuff around her since literally before she was born.
I would not have any problems with her having magic personally, but there is alot of people in this quest that worships Dresden files canon like their lord and savior and from what I can see in canon... she is not a mage. So...
 
To be clear guys we need to move the Mendozas even if they don't go with Maggie and we should be clear they're in danger staying here. I'm only mentioning this because people often forget to mention important details in the rush to get something done.
 
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Huh.

I liked seeing Susan's curiosity, and it seems like she may not be opposed to working for us as an investigator - and she's supposed to be good at that.

I'm a bit more comfortable giving her powers if she's actually going to work for us. I'm a little worried about what it says about my biases that I'm happier now that she's botched against us socially, but I suppose it makes sense that I'd be frustrated with her as an obstacle and she now seems to be open to talking.

I am somewhat worried about what she and Tiff will get up to, though. Leaving Harry's blood pressure aside, these two have a two-out-of-two 'heroic sacrifice' count in canon. Leaving them together on a mission is not likely to end well.
 
Good point I suppose though we would actually have to ask McCoy to see if he really contextualizes it in that way. Given that Dresden could also be used against him in the same manner though I doubt it.

It would also be very out of character for Molly.
True, it's very OOC. But it's still essentially giving her the ability to kill him remotely. Even a remote possibility is unlikely to be accepted by a properly paranoid (as part of his office) Wizard.
 
I keep thinking back to Changes when the Red Court tried to use Maggie as a bloodline focus to kill McCoy and Dresden. I don't think McCoy would somehow see her as a hostage either given that Dresden can be used the exact same way, as he can't defend himself or escape if Molly turns hostile (as said by DP Dresden doesn't know if opening a portal to reality in the FCF would take him to outer space or earth).

In an attempt to avoid the plotline of Changes.

[X] If the Mendozas do not want to move with her you're sure Mom and Dad will take her in

[X] Sanctuary is safer than anywhere on Earth. Sure there will be an adjustment period, but not that much of a one at her age


But it's still essentially giving her the ability to kill him remotely
Again Molly already has that with Harry Dresden. It'd be nothing new. If Maggie stays in Chicago this will also be the case. Maggie isn't effectively any safer from Molly in Chicago than she is in the FFC. Molly has easy access to McCoy foci if she decides to act majorly OOC either way.

Edit: However there is a huge difference in the Red Court or people like the HollowMan having a much harder time getting a hold of Maggie.
 
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I would not have any problems with her having magic personally, but there is alot of people in this quest that worships Dresden files canon like their lord and savior and from what I can see in canon... she is not a mage. So...
Butcher specifically refuses to say one way or the other because he's saving it for a surprise. In the DF cosmology kids that young can't be immediately marked as talents unless they're super unusual.

That isn't the same thing as her specifically not being a wizard.
 
[X] Keep quiet. Now that Susan is settled you're just here to handle any vampire ambushes along the way

The way I see it, we don't really have a horse in this race. We want Maggie to be safe and happy. Let her parents and guardians hash out what outcome they'd prefer.
 
The way I see it, we don't really have a horse in this race. We want Maggie to be safe and happy. Let her parents and guardians hash out what outcome they'd prefer.
To be clear the point in choosing any of the other options is to make it known that they're available. Not to make demands with someone else's kid.
 
[x] Keep quiet. Now that Susan is settled you're just here to handle any vampire ambushes along the way
 
Wait hold up when did they start sleeping together? Normally, I would assume that she was being clever with her word play when sleeping together meant in the literal sense. But then I saw the dice roll, which said, lover, which has a very specific connotation, I have admittedly been skimming some things, but I didn't know they were actually lovers. I thought they were slowly building up to that, and that it would take a bit longer for Harry to get with her. I thought maybe by the time the canonical White Night events would have happened, is when they would end up sleeping together.
 
Wait hold up when did they start sleeping together? Normally, I would assume that she was being clever with her word play when sleeping together meant in the literal sense. But then I saw the dice roll, which said, lover, which has a very specific connotation, I have admittedly been skimming some things, but I didn't know they were actually lovers. I thought they were slowly building up to that, and that it would take a bit longer for Harry to get with her. I thought maybe by the time the canonical White Night events would have happened, is when they would end up sleeping together.

Around the time you were in Vegas, that was not really the focus of the narrative, but it was implied in a fade to black kind of way a few times. IC Molly tries not to think about it.
 
[x] Sanctuary is safer than anywhere on Earth. Sure there will be an adjustment period, but not that much of a one at her age
-[x][Stunt]"I am a patron to the greatest and most secure boarding school in existence. At least I think that it is and Entitling Scrolls would agree with me."
 
Looked around in case I was misremembering, but no mention on her having any magic anywhere.
It appears my memory of my least favorite character from the Dresden files daughter is slipping then 😅

Edit: changing my vote to this

[x] Sanctuary is safer than anywhere on Earth. Sure there will be an adjustment period, but not that much of a one at her age
-[x][Stunt]"I am a patron to the greatest and most secure boarding school in existence. At least I think that it is and Entitling Scrolls would agree with me."
 
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[X] Offer resources without obligation to help facilitate whatever solution they come up with. You are here to help Harry, after all. Whether it be by taking Maggie into Sanctuary, helping to build a fortress on Demonreach, or simply paying to get Maggie moved to Chicago is for him to decide.
 
Is there any other business we want to arrange while we in the area?

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but we do have a certain portal to build defenses for and it'd be convenient if the vamps were too distracted to mess with us. They're not necessarily the biggest threat, but at minimum they could be a vector to extend the reach of people who are and they probably have a few serious business tricks up their sleeves.

Seems like it'd be relatively cheap for us to trade them a bunch of weapons in exchange for making life especially miserable for reds this month.

They're already trying to do that, but I bet things would get substantially spicer if we delivered industrial quantities of high explosives with a side of electro-laser sniper rifles*.

That and maybe some intel support. Some high flying stealth drones operated by our people feeding them real time data on any red asset that is exposed to the sky would make for some fun encounters.

* And aside on the aside, but what do you think some minor notice-me-not potions would cost? Anything that could reasonably be done in a factory?

Their ability to slip explosives into places and set up to blow the heads off of reds would could see a lot of benefits from even a very small effect.
 
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Worth remembering that Tiffany' memories are a lot more cosmopolitan than Harry's, and reach back to times and societies where multiple-partner(one woman-multiple men, one man-multiple women and other variations thereof) relationships and marriages are a thing. She doesnt inherit the same hangups Molly or Harry do.

Besides, de-facto monogamy has not been the social norm for most of human history. Still isnt the social norm in large parts of the world for that matter, even in the West; President Mitterand had both his wife and his mistress show up at his funeral.

Going to note that based on Harry's memories of Susan, there isnt really much for her to object to.
Susan was arguably a little reckless in Grave Peril, but other than that, she was good for and good to Harry.
Not surprised Tiffany might like her.


Should be two thousand years not six. The Fallen were bound in the Coins around 33 AD.

I dont think that Tiffany would be quite so free about mentioning who Harry's grandfather is in front of Martin.
Or maybe she would.
Dunno. Just the knowledge of who his mother was should be enough; Maggie LeFay made a lot of enemies in her own right.

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[X] Sanctuary is safer than anywhere on Earth. Sure there will be an adjustment period, but not that much of a one at her age

Imagine a wizard Maggie trained in our hell, she could revolutionize everything there is to know about wizards. Is she magically gifted tho i dont know
Dresdenverse children tend to be sensitive to non-phyical phenomena, and have some protections.

However, magic talent doesnt generally manifest before 10 at the earliest to my knowledge; Harry and Elaine Awakened around 10, while Molly Awakened around 13. Margaret Angelica Rodriguez-Dresden is roughly 3 years old.
Whether or not she has magic is not going to be a factor for roughly a decade.

And there are other reasons why she shouldnt be in Sanctuary.
Not to mention that Sanctuary has no knowledge or experience of training wizards.

Dresden files magic is usually passed down matrilineally, so unless Susan is a mage then the odds are against her.
Amanda Lucia for example is more likely to have magic due to Rosie having it.
Matrilineal doesnt mean direct mother to daughter only; Molly's mother Charity was a talent, but as far as we know both of Charity's parents were mundane.
And remember that the Council can be wrong.

Anyway, she was carried to term by a Red Court halfblood, which is apparently rare in the setting.
Butcher explicitly says that she has something in a 2017 Interview, but he hasnt publicly said what.
She may or may not be a wizard, but she will have/already has magic.

i honestly don't care about his opinion. firstly harry and the mother are the only one that get a call but more importantly we have hilarious amount of leverage on the council, like to such a extent that it doesn't matter. we literally save the council from being destroyed. I doubt they will protest much. and we can super social them if they try.
Let me stop you right there.
We live in a society. We care about the opinions of others.

And from a straight up cold blooded PoV, if we are believed to have McCoy's great grandkid as a hostage, people in the White Council and beyond will believe that his judgement is compromised
And when he speaks in favor of anything Molly does or proposes, they will ignore it.
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Good point I suppose though we would actually have to ask McCoy to see if he really contextualizes it in that way. Given that Dresden could also be used against him in the same manner though I doubt it.
It would also be very out of character for Molly.
It doesnt just matter what McCoy thinks, it matters what his peers think.
Both the other Senior Council members, and the other senior wizards in the Council. And people beyond the Council as well.

Thats why it pays to pay attention to how your actions appear to others.
Butcher specifically refuses to say one way or the other because he's saving it for a surprise. In the DF cosmology kids that young can't be immediately marked as talents unless they're super unusual.
That isn't the same thing as her specifically not being a wizard.
IIRC, Uriel hints she will have magic back in either Changes or Ghost Story.
But I cant really remember the quote off the top of my head.
There's other hints as well, but nothing hard.
 
[X] Offer resources without obligation to help facilitate whatever solution they come up with. You are here to help Harry, after all. Whether it be by taking Maggie into Sanctuary, helping to build a fortress on Demonreach, or simply paying to get Maggie moved to Chicago is for him to decide.

And yog manages it again I see
 
Something I don't recall, are the hell denizens who defected from the wicked city in ahh, less torment now? I assume mercy in servitude and liberal use of technologic upgrades was applied but as we never see them again... did they just disappear int one of the cities of Molly's hell as a medical puzzle?


[X] Offer resources without obligation to help facilitate whatever solution they come up with. You are here to help Harry, after all. Whether it be by taking Maggie into Sanctuary, helping to build a fortress on Demonreach, or simply paying to get Maggie moved to Chicago is for him to decide.
 
It doesnt just matter what McCoy thinks, it matters what his peers think.
Both the other Senior Council members, and the other senior wizards in the Council. And people beyond the Council as well.
Again Molly already has that with Harry Dresden. It'd be nothing new. If Maggie stays in Chicago this will also be the case. Maggie isn't effectively any safer from Molly in Chicago than she is in the FFC. Molly has easy access to McCoy foci if she decides to act majorly OOC either way.

Edit: However there is a huge difference in the Red Court or people like the HollowMan having a much harder time getting a hold of Maggie.

[X] If the Mendozas do not want to move with her you're sure Mom and Dad will take her in

[x] Sanctuary is safer than anywhere on Earth. Sure there will be an adjustment period, but not that much of a one at her age
-[x][Stunt]"I am a patron to the greatest and most secure boarding school in existence. At least I think that it is and Entitling Scrolls would agree with me."

[X] Offer resources without obligation to help facilitate whatever solution they come up with. You are here to help Harry, after all. Whether it be by taking Maggie into Sanctuary, helping to build a fortress on Demonreach, or simply paying to get Maggie moved to Chicago is for him to decide.
 
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Setting aside the political considerations, long term habitation in Sanctuary would probably make it hard for Maggie to integrate with Earth society.

Not that we shouldn't let her go there and explore, it'd probably be fun to see some interludes of the FCF dealing with what they'd view as an alien baby wandering around on weekend trips, but her primary residence should probably be somewhere in the mortal world.

In terms of the safety of Chicago, worth remembering we have a firmly established treaty with the white court. They keep their noses out of our business and we keep ours out of their's.

Lara will keep her idiots in line on pain of an angry infernal at the head of a demon army murdering her dudes in the streets and dragging the interesting ones off into a hell realm for interrogation.

I at least would definitely vote to drone strike her office on the Raith estate if she didn't make an example out of anyone she caught even thinking about messing with one of our mortals.
 
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[X] If the Mendozas do not want to move with her you're sure Mom and Dad will take her in



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This is Molly interjecting to present options.

Moving a family abruptly requires connections or lawyers for all the paperwork, and critically money, both to meet US immigration income requirements and to help them settle down.

IIRC, the Mendozas in Harry's vision were a family of six.
For that many people, you're fronting high five or low six figures to get through the legal shit quickly without calling in Favors and drawing further attention to them.

Neither Harry nor Susan have the money to move the Mendozas; Harry hasnt cared about money before, and Susan is not in a line of work that exactly pays a salary.
Molly does. Ebenezar McCoy does as well, but Harry didnt bring him.

They need to know what their options are, so Molly cannot just keep quiet.



According to the 2000 census, there's 20k Guatemalans in Chicago, while NGOs estimate 50-80k.

So there's a small community in the Chicago area. Assuming the Mendozas want to come to Chicago.
They might choose somewhere else with a more familiar climate, or less supernatural focus, or more Guatemalans; the largest Guatemalan populations in the US are in California and Florida.

Whether the Mendozas come to Chicago is more a narrative question than something we decide.
Narratively, I dont know if the QM will want to add another set of side characters to track to this quest
So there's that question.
 
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[X] Offer resources without obligation to help facilitate whatever solution they come up with. You are here to help Harry, after all. Whether it be by taking Maggie into Sanctuary, helping to build a fortress on Demonreach, or simply paying to get Maggie moved to Chicago is for him to decide.
 
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