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[X] Plan: Full Anvil, Simple Facility
-[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
--[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions. Can use the Anvil of the Earth when crafting. Skaudardrengi will be built near a Chamon and Aqshy alligned Arcane Fulcrum. It means the location's use, barring some future enhancement, will be limited to when the Anvil itself is active.
-[X] [Scope:] Just enough for Skaudargrengi.
-[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions. Double reagent cost for Skaudargrengi's Runes (not including equipment). Gain an improved variant of The Master Runes of Waking for monument-scale Gronti that would cost at minimum double the reagents.

Unlike previous times we went all out like Khazagar, I seriously don't see us making enough Monumental creations to justify a dedicated facility.

[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.

[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
 
[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Avelorn [Extensive]

[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.

bite me
 
[X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal

[X] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.

[X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
 
if we survived to that point he likely would have fallen holding back the everchosen in the north to buy time.

I think there's even omake to that effect by soulcake.
I think by that point we may have cooked something up that could have set back the Everchosem for centuries or would hit Chaos in the Knee Caps so hard that it would have been a Chaotic Cataclysm instead of Ending the World.
 
also how long are we until we reach the Founding of the Human Empire?
which one? what would be recognisable to those familiar to the setting, or when sigmar did his stuff?

for the second one the founding date of the empire takes place exactly 3000 years after the founding of karaz a karak. which i think we call 'after pillars' or AP. if that's not the case, i can't seem to find another date used.

current date is 483 AP.

so about 2517 years. which, with turns taking a decade, makes it 252 turns away.

but, the actual timeline seems to a bit jiggered around in this quest. because the great catastrophe occured 5000 years before the empire. I don't think it's been long since that occurred. should be what, only 600 years ago following what exists of the established timeline? and uh, I don't think we predate the founding of the karaz ankor.

which suggests the calendar was reset again about two thousand years from now. and no one told the empire that there was a different era that actually went back to the founding.


so, to be safe. split the potential difference, about 500 turns away.
 
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[X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)
[X] Plan: Full Anvil, Simple Facility
[X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[X] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
[X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
 
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and uh, I don't think we predate the founding of the karaz ankor.
think again
Age:
Born c. -648 B.P.(Before Pillars), 1120 Years Old by Dwarf reckoning
His age hasn't been updated yet for the turn, but anyway, the pillars were erected during this quest

Edit: to be fair, AP doesn't directly translate into the founding of the KA
AP refers to Valayas Pillars in Karaz-a-Karak, so After the Pillars were built
 
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I wonder how Snorri would have handled the End Times.
Droped in as is? In my head I imagine hed ultimately die in a last stand in the Hold after every other Dwarf is dead or evac'd, but only after turning Kraka Drakk and the valley into a Rune powered Bomb that destroys the mountain and the surrounding landscape.

If he survives to the fall of Everpeak then he dies because the Skaven get through the storm and kill him and destroy Skarrenbakraz with the Fellblade with an expendable patsy.
 
Droped in as is? In my head I imagine hed ultimately die in a last stand in the Hold after every other Dwarf is dead or evac'd, but only after turning Kraka Drakk and the valley into a Rune powered Bomb that destroys the mountain and the surrounding landscape.

If he survives to the fall of Everpeak then he dies because the Skaven get through the storm and kill him and destroy Skarrenbakraz with the Fellblade with an expendable patsy.
sounds like snorri needs to be tankier, gotta craft and upgraded BA, not just turn our skin to stone but Adamant. and upgrade our storm somehow, stronger winds? replace winds with volcanic fire?
 
Droped in as is? In my head I imagine hed ultimately die in a last stand in the Hold after every other Dwarf is dead or evac'd, but only after turning Kraka Drakk and the valley into a Rune powered Bomb that destroys the mountain and the surrounding landscape.

If he survives to the fall of Everpeak then he dies because the Skaven get through the storm and kill him and destroy Skarrenbakraz with the Fellblade with an expendable patsy.
Thanks, I hate it.
 
Droped in as is? In my head I imagine hed ultimately die in a last stand in the Hold after every other Dwarf is dead or evac'd, but only after turning Kraka Drakk and the valley into a Rune powered Bomb that destroys the mountain and the surrounding landscape.

If he survives to the fall of Everpeak then he dies because the Skaven get through the storm and kill him and destroy Skarrenbakraz with the Fellblade with an expendable patsy.
Yeah, Snorri is a high tier hero unit but he's not "kill the apocalypse" good.

Not yet anyway.;)

Edit: Just because it's on topic, what about if he also had the dragon (with the full set)?
 
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let us see the vote so far
Adhoc vote count started by Lonosic on Oct 25, 2024 at 9:41 AM, finished with 218 posts and 53 votes.

  • [X] [Grimgal:] Accept.
    [X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
    ----[X] Choose: Combo, Flamedrinking: [Rune of Thungni's Presence, Rune of Thungni, Rune of Forgeflame]
    --[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant)
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
    --[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (Radiant Pegasus Blood + Dragon Essence), Rune of Lightspite (Radiant Pegasus Blood), Rune of Echoblow (Elder Wyrm's Gas Sac)
    --[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 2 [3 Snorri AP]
    --[X] Aetherbinder Pt.2 [3 Snorri AP]
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer]
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite #1 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite #2 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Wyrm's Blood x2 [-30 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite x2 [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    [X] Plan: Go all Out
    -[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
    --[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
    --[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions to Gronti-Bay.
    --[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay.
    --[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions to Skaudardrengi.
    [X] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]
    [X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
    ----[X] Choose: Combo, Flamedrinking: [Rune of Thungni's Presence, Rune of Thungni, Rune of Forgeflame]
    --[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] The Aetherbinder "Zhuffbarazen (lit. Torrent Binding)", Talisman: This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored or unarmored. Link to design post.
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant). The theme idea is "I will Endure the Flow, I will Resist it, I will Shape it and what I cannot use I will Burn Away."
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
    --[X] Examine Karaz-Kazak-Rhun [1 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt. 1 [2 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Brightcaller: This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. Link to design post.
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood + T2 Dragon Essence) + Lightspite (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood) + Rune of Echoblow (T2 Dragon Gas Sac). If this Combos please call it "Constellations".
    --[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 1 [3 AP]
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer] Support Grimgal
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    [X] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
    [X] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.
    [X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
    [X] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Nagarythe [Insightful]
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Laequalys of House Wilderwood [Extensive]
    [X] Plan: Pragmatically Excessive
    -[X] [Location:] Within Khazagar. -1 total actions. Benefits from the Rune of Siphoning. Skaudardrengi will be built within Khazagar, expanding your workshop to accomodate.
    -[X] [Scope:] Dedicated Facility. +1 action. Every 3 request actions building Monumental Gronti add 1 extra progress. A workshop space dedicated to the construction of Gronti the size of Skaudardrengi.
    -[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions. Double reagent cost for Skaudargrengi's Runes (not including equipment). Gain an improved variant of The Master Runes of Waking for monument-scale Gronti that would cost at minimum double the reagents. Oh sure Klausson, go whole hog, you idiot.
    [X] Plan: Glorious Vision, Help Ornsmotek and Support Grimgal
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
    --[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] The Aetherbinder "Zhuffbarazen (lit. Torrent Binding)", Talisman: This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored and unarmored. Link to design post.
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
    --[X] Examine Karaz-Kazak-Rhun [1 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt. 1 [2 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Brightcaller: This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. Link to design post.
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood + T2 Dragon Essence) + Lightspite (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood) + Rune of Echoblow (T2 Dragon Gas Sac). If this Combos please call it "Constellations".
    --[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 1 [3 AP]
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer] Support Grimgal
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    [X] Plan: A Crack In The Consternation (Turn 58)
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
    --[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant)
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
    --[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (Radiant Pegasus Blood + Dragon Essence), Rune of Lightspite (Radiant Pegasus Blood), Rune of Echoblow (Elder Wyrm's Gas Sac)
    --[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 2 [3 Snorri AP]
    --[X] Aetherbinder Pt.2 [3 Snorri AP]
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Expedition, The Throng is Mustered [1 Retainer]
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite #1 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite #2 [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Wyrm's Blood x2 [-30 Kraka Grom Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite x2 [-30 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    [X] Plan: Glorious Vision
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] Khazagar (3 Actions) [2 Retainer]
    ---[X] Curriculum Change (Switch: Prosthetics to Dum Denial)
    ---[X] Curriculum Change (Add: Improved Master Rune of Waking/Animation)
    ---[X] Host a Special Tournament (Themed Competition: "Your creation must embody the Drakk"; 1st Place: Magma Wyrm's Heart, Magma Wyrm's Blood x3; 2nd Place: Shard Wyrm's Brain)
    --[X] [Difficult] Flamedrinking Pt. 2 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Choose: Combo, Flamedrinking: [Rune of Thungni's Presence, Rune of Thungni, Rune of Forgeflame]
    --[X] Write-In: Aetherbinder Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] The Aetherbinder "Zhuffbarazen (lit. Torrent Binding)", Talisman: This device is a series of plates and metal loops linked together by adamant chains that fits over a dwarven arm, either armored and unarmored. When at rest the adamant construction seems to be a kind of decoration or a piece of very sturdy dwarf jewelry and it is marked by a wonderful knotwork pattern of a forge and the implication of a smith working at the anvil in the background. However, when active it is most clearly not decoration. This device is a tool for the manipulation of heat and magic and runic energy in battle and in acts of creation. Three depressions are present in its design, the first near the shoulder contains the Master Rune of Purification - glowing black as night when active. The second lays just below the elbow, and the third upon the back of the hand, and these contain the rune of Worldly Warding and Ancestor Rune of Thungni respectively. The light of the runes shimmers in the heat of the forge and the glow of Magick.
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Purification (T4 Voidstone) + Rune of Worldly Warding (T4 Ancient Stone Troll Blood) + Ancestor Rune of Thungni (T4 Adamant). The theme idea is "I will Endure the Flow, I will Resist it, I will Shape it and what I cannot use I will Burn Away."
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting [1 Heir] {Note: This Smelter is being built near a Waystone near the Anvil}
    --[X] Examine Karaz-Kazak-Rhun [1 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery Pt. 1 [2 AP]
    --[X] [Difficult] Starlight Pt. 1 [1 Heir]
    ---[X] Brightcaller: This is the greathammer of Clan Skarridum, a weapon also known as Brynlidha and Brighttongue. In structure it is entirely Adamant (you learned your lesson with Zharrgal), with the metal haft wrapped in Wutroth native to Dorden's territory, sourced from the Plumbeards' groves and decorated with gems retrieved from Dorden's depths. These gems are cut to resemble eyes and are set into lines cut down to the Adamant which imply the faces of the ancestors of Thane Morglum, their names upon their foreheads in the Aldrhun script. You have kept it simple and personal, because this is a gift to this boy and his family, thus the message shall be most clear to him and his. The hammer head is a cylinder of Adamant that tapers into a truly wicked sharp warspike and prybar. He is a warrior and this is not the hammer of a maker, so the striking face of the hammer is marked with grooves and ridges to concentrate force into a grid of focused points, points which should leave a blinding trail of shining lights by the power of the Runes when the hammer is swung. The Runes will be set into stars of Adamant connected by knotwork in a rendition of the constellation of The King's Hammer. The three brightest stars in that constellation will glow a beautiful gold and the rest are Pure Gromril polished to shine, left blank so that they may be inscribed with the names of the mightiest foes the Thane defeats in battle.
    ---[X] Choose: Master Rune of Conduction (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood + T2 Dragon Essence) + Lightspite (T4 Radiant Pegasus Blood) + Rune of Echoblow (T2 Dragon Gas Sac)
    --[X] Extrasensory Perception Pt. 1 [3 AP]
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grungaldrin [2 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 1 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: Slave Wyrm Corpse 2 [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    ---[X] Royal Expedite: T4 Ancient Greedy Troll Heart [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    [X] Plan: Public Utility
    -[X] [Location:] Within Khazagar. -1 total actions to Gronti-Bay. Benefits from the Rune of Siphoning. Skaudardrengi will be built within Khazagar, expanding your workshop to accomodate.
    -[X] [Scope:] Dedicated General Facility. +2 actions to Gronti-Bay. Every 3 request actions building Monumental Items add 1 extra progress. A workshop space dedicated to the construction of anything the size of Skaudardrengi.
    -[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions. Double reagent cost for Skaudargrengi's Runes (not including equipment). Gain an improved variant of The Master Runes of Waking for monument-scale Gronti that would cost at minimum double the reagents. Oh sure Klausson, go whole hog, you idiot.
    [X]Grimgal:] Accept
    [X] Plan: Full Anvil, Simple Facility
    -[X] [Simple] Gronti-Bay: [Cost: any 2 actions] Peerless Production will proc.
    --[X] Hirelings: [Cost 5 Favour with Kraka Drakk] x7. -35 Kraka Drakk Favor
    -[X] [Location:] Overtop the Anvil of the Earth: +3 actions. Can use the Anvil of the Earth when crafting. Skaudardrengi will be built near a Chamon and Aqshy alligned Arcane Fulcrum. It means the location's use, barring some future enhancement, will be limited to when the Anvil itself is active.
    -[X] [Scope:] Just enough for Skaudargrengi.
    -[X] [Runes:] Do Both. +3 actions. Double reagent cost for Skaudargrengi's Runes (not including equipment). Gain an improved variant of The Master Runes of Waking for monument-scale Gronti that would cost at minimum double the reagents.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Avelorn [Extensive]
 
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