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[X] Plan Tourneys, Judgements and Friendships
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Being knighted by anyone other than Viserys is practically impossible and again participating in tourneys is asking to make many lords dislike us, we should only try for tourneys in King's Landing where our proclivities are already well known and we have some chance of gaining knighthood.
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Well, Teen Spirit already told us that we would be overstepping trying to talk about marriage with of anyone but ourselves and our children...
The most we could do is tell her that Daemon is nothing but trouble, and I think that she already knows that...
I disagree, there will always be a handful of big tourneys per year in which we can get into from King's Landing, to be able to meet prospective husbands in person, including romantic partners, is something that we can only do dyring the Royal Progress.
And let's not kid ourselves we will have to marry and produce heirs, I would rather do it with someone we can have a romance with
We can get legitimate children from him according to TeenSpirit we just have to be ready to increase our stress level significantly...
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Shapeless Phobos
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[X] Plan Introducing the Princess-Knight
[X] The Future Queen
[X] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
[X] The Future Queen
[X] The Beau Ideal Of A Heir
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Tbh this makes Laenor one of our best options, securing the velaryons as allies is crucial since he is likely to become an enemy in a potential dance due to his ambition and that would be disastrous as it would leave dragonstone completely at their mercy and, depending on how things go, they might still have Vhagar by then.
Between our recent training gains and frats and our soon to be months of public training, I'm pretty sure we have a very good shot.
Public Training and dispensing the King's Justice is currently winning. We're not exactly hiding our warrior woman tendencies on the progress.
Regardless we are going to be a Knight one day. Hiding it away and pretending that we can't win a tourney so that we can "do it acceptably in King's Landing where maybe the whispers aren't so loud" feels like such a defeatest looking way of trying to achieve a dream.
The people who would get angry at Rhaenyra winning a tourney are the same people who would be angry at her wielding a sword in the first place.
Waiting until the lords have to get the raven that the Princess has become a knight in KL doesn't do anything but push the problem down the line.
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[X] Plan We Have Time.
-[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
-[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
-[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
-[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
-[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
-[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
-[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
--[X] Kings Landing
--[X] Highgaden
--[X] Oldtown
--[X] Lannisport / Casterly Rock (via Ocean Road)
--[X] Riverrun
--[X] Harrenhal
--[X] The Eyrie
--[X] detour through the northern Vale
--[X] Seagard
--[X] ship to Pyke
--[X] ship to Bear Isle
--[X] ship to Deepwood Motte
--[X] Castle Black
--[X] Winterfell
--[X] White Harbor
--[X] ship to Rain House
--[X] Storms End
--[X] Kings Landing
-[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
-[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
-[X] [Companion] Viserys Targaryen
-[X] [Companion] Johanna Westerling
-[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
-[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
-[X] [Date] Leave after Johanna has her child (Royal Progress will begin no sooner than Turn 10)
I want Viserys away from Aegon's murder Throne and possibly tended to by Maesters more qualified than the fuck up in kingslanding. I'm willing to delay a little to make it happen. Plus, more time to train.
-[X] [Purpose] Your Introduction to the Realm
-[X] [Purpose] Justice and Settling Affairs
-[X] [Goal] Enter a Tourney
-[X] [Goal] Privacy with Alicent
-[X] [Goal] Find more Friends
-[X] [Goal] Train Publicly
-[X] [Tour] Full Tour (4 turns, the entire realm)
--[X] Kings Landing
--[X] Highgaden
--[X] Oldtown
--[X] Lannisport / Casterly Rock (via Ocean Road)
--[X] Riverrun
--[X] Harrenhal
--[X] The Eyrie
--[X] detour through the northern Vale
--[X] Seagard
--[X] ship to Pyke
--[X] ship to Bear Isle
--[X] ship to Deepwood Motte
--[X] Castle Black
--[X] Winterfell
--[X] White Harbor
--[X] ship to Rain House
--[X] Storms End
--[X] Kings Landing
-[X] [Dragon] Syrax will travel with you
-[X] [Companion] Alicent Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Raylon Tarly
-[X] [Companion] Viserys Targaryen
-[X] [Companion] Johanna Westerling
-[X] [Companion] Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Companion] Rhaenys Targaryen
-[X] [Companion] Rhea Royce
-[X] [Date] Leave after Johanna has her child (Royal Progress will begin no sooner than Turn 10)
I want Viserys away from Aegon's murder Throne and possibly tended to by Maesters more qualified than the fuck up in kingslanding. I'm willing to delay a little to make it happen. Plus, more time to train.
Okay, then please explain...
Why Laena is a better pick for smoothing tensions?
Neat, but slightly annoying. Sticking with my gut here.
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Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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Say would you will to vote for my plan if I added enter a tourney?
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Well, one of the reasons why I want to get with both Laenor and Laena in the tour, because I want to try to become friends with them if only because you are less likely to start a civil war with a close friend...
And in that circumstance, Corlys may be willing to stomach having a grankind being the queen or king consort...
Don't do it, we will lose focus for trying to do too many things, and one of the reasons why people are voting for your plan is because you are the only plan that focuses on the priorities we agreed on for the Progress (before this obsession with prioritizing the Knight thingy over all other) and doesn't try to win a tournament...
Pushing the problem down the line is exactly what we need though, at the moment we have secured exactly 2 allies, both in the Vale which was likely to support us anyway because of our gender, have little to no influence anywhere and we have a poor reputation as heir because of our gender. This is simply a risk we cannot afford to take, just participating will earn the animosity of many, winning would surely earn even more animosity for a long-shot at being knighted, and the absolute catastrophe that losing would be, it would be a stain on our reputation that would take much effort to wash away, if we even could.
Exactly.
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Long term gains of prepping Laenor for marriage.
Even if we become friends with Laena, it's not like Corlys hasn't shown that he is completely prepared to make her marry someone in order to fulfill his own ambitions.
Also even if it might smooth over some Velaryon tensions, feeding Vhagar is going to increase tensions at most of the castles we visit anyway. Imagine starting to hoard food for Winter and suddenly you have to start feeding months worth of meat to the lizard mountain.
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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You have a point, plus the only think I can see myself dropping is Privacy with Alicent
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IMO search for husbands wise, I don't really think it's a great idea to marry some minor character who will not be a major character unless we marry them.
Mechanically, that introduces another character we have to spend conversation actions talking to occasionally, another character we have to watch the opinion of, etc. and that character might themselves have friends and family etc. who will seek a rise in status which puts them against the current power-holders in KL.
I think it'd be best to marry someone who synergizes well with the characters we already know and have spent time building relations with or who will be important enough that they'll be a major character regardless of what we do. IMO this is Gwayne, Laenor, or Harwin. My preference would be Gwayne, followed by Harwin, followed by Laenor, but they all meet this criteria. And with the exception of Harwin, who we should be able to meet in KL with the City Watch or going into the City or something, we know these people already, we do not have to scout them out.
I understand Forrest or Amos was interesting in a fanfic or something but we seem pretty committed to Ali as our romance. If that's the case then one beard is pretty much as good as another for a husband, so we want someone who isn't going to take additional action economy to scout out, get to know, and keep a reasonable opinion with.
Mechanically, that introduces another character we have to spend conversation actions talking to occasionally, another character we have to watch the opinion of, etc. and that character might themselves have friends and family etc. who will seek a rise in status which puts them against the current power-holders in KL.
I think it'd be best to marry someone who synergizes well with the characters we already know and have spent time building relations with or who will be important enough that they'll be a major character regardless of what we do. IMO this is Gwayne, Laenor, or Harwin. My preference would be Gwayne, followed by Harwin, followed by Laenor, but they all meet this criteria. And with the exception of Harwin, who we should be able to meet in KL with the City Watch or going into the City or something, we know these people already, we do not have to scout them out.
I understand Forrest or Amos was interesting in a fanfic or something but we seem pretty committed to Ali as our romance. If that's the case then one beard is pretty much as good as another for a husband, so we want someone who isn't going to take additional action economy to scout out, get to know, and keep a reasonable opinion with.
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Okay I'm interjecting because I find people declaring there had been some sort of agreement when I do not see any sort of agree to be like nails on a chalkboard for me. From what I saw, many people believe a progress was the best chance for a tourney fight, it seemed a fairly common topic. I mean you could argue a lot of people wanted a progress but for different reasons but I know a number of people wanted a progress for tourneys.
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Like I suggested earlier, leave behind Syrax and do a write in for her to Leave behind Vhagar. But I'll Switch to Rhaenys I suppose.
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I would personally switch Train Publicly for Train Privately it will increase our stress but It would prevent us from having to suffer the consequences of having to deal with a bunch of lords who feel emasculated for losing a duel with a girl in the future...
We are going to have to rule over these sexist assholes and it will be easier if they are not holding a petty grudge over Nyra beating them...
This husband searching feels a bit sudden. The front-runners have always been extremely clear and well within reach.
The majority of the places we're visiting are definitely not gonna have someone stronger than the trio we have available, and Rhaenyra herself will probably find the entire situation exhausting. Just because it's worded differently, doesn't mean that "Seek Potential Husbands" isn't essentially the same as the Red Bolded "Find a Consort"
So seriously, who or what in particular are we looking to get out of the husband search?
The majority of the places we're visiting are definitely not gonna have someone stronger than the trio we have available, and Rhaenyra herself will probably find the entire situation exhausting. Just because it's worded differently, doesn't mean that "Seek Potential Husbands" isn't essentially the same as the Red Bolded "Find a Consort"
So seriously, who or what in particular are we looking to get out of the husband search?
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I am slightly confused by this because I thought reinforcing our claim was a big part of why we were doing this. Like, I thought that was the primary point of doing this, and most of the primary goals for the progress we can selected (except introduce Johanna) are doing that in one way or another.
… so are we supposed to never beat them or what?
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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Well, Nyra wants to get to know her prospective Husbands before she marries them, and I feel well get a chance to get to know them on this progress (Hell, we might even find someone that @Teen Spirit missed in his list)
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Seek isn't red bolded since it's not public, you'd basically just be fact gathering on possible options. Depending on how you do it the options may not even be aware you have any specific interest in them.
This I'm somewhat fine with, if we want to make the lords more accustomed to our proclivities this is the way to do it instead of the tourneys, that said I'm against leaning too much in our knighthood this early, we have time to build some connections before we drop this bomb. For a bit of metagaming we are also likely to lose some stress because of Alicent anyway so training privately shouldn't be a problem.
There might be options we don't know about after all Fire & Blood didn't really expand upon the families of the many lords and having the Tyrells in our corner for example could be gamechanging.
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There can be multiple reasons for doing this, reinforcing your claim and pushing efforts to make yourself a knight could both be goals for this journey, you could have both at the same time even.
Viserys: Wow the only thing I had to do for her to stop acting so boy-ish was peer pressure, who would have thought? Nice to see her acting a proper lady.
Seriously, where did this sudden
"Oh make sure to hide all your training, don't want to make the boys upset!"
"Oh noooo, don't do a tourney, what if the men get angwy?!"
Where's the Rhaenyra that chose to dance with Jeyne, regardless of stares and got a big ally, or flew to help Otto against Daemon without fear of reprisal holding us back? Who fought to determine who our Kingsguard is and got Tarly out of it? Or even choosing to pursue Alicent romantically instead of just going for an easier lover to deal with?
As soon as we leave Kingslanding we're just going to be the demure proper princess that Viserys and the court wished we had been?
It even feels disingenuous, as the plan is still to become a knight, but only if it's in Kinglanding, because I guess the outside of our bubble is scary?
You guys don't think the Realm will find it weird when the perfectly polite and feminine princess shows up after years of being a rumored beefcake who can beat her kingsguard? Or that as soon as she enters Kingslanding, the rumors start up again and she is even knighted, although literally no lord outside of the Crownlands has ever seen her fight?
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