fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I just don't feel very comfortable bringing our normally immortal people to earth to possible die.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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yeah I get that does defeat the possibility of being a faction. One idea would be a future charm that lets those who pledge to us go to our afterlife when they die. You know just like the yama kings and such do. I mean as the leader of an afterlife which is our soul that SHOULD be something we can do like any yama king.
It really does not mean that I don't know where this idea is coming from there is no Supernatural force that requires an army to deal with other than Mab. She can't come to Earth and try to exert Force like that without a reason though either.
Unless the supposition is that we're going to be attacked by fucking gigantes on the regular we really don't need an army to hold any territory the smaller detachments maybe but that's way less than anything that you're talking about.
Not to mention the fact territory can mean a lot of different things unless you think we need an army to hold places like last station.
So the plan is to spend a crap ton of essence as well as making another sentient entity to act as essentially a portal key for bringing troops and equipment back and forth if we ever need them.
Well that is less of a vulnerability than I thought it was it still requires spending Essence every time we want troops and making sentient entities to act as portal keys which definitely aren't going to be vulnerable considering the fact they have to exist in this world for them to exist and Spirits aren't definitely vulnerable in a variety of ways to literally everyone worth mentioning.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I mean we are still a faction in that we can bring down a whole lot of hurt to an area, but holding ground is harder. Without Barren Waste Infection.
Well we could bring Spirits which are actually immortal just full on and flat out and the City of endings people. People who are already contemplating or have already decided they want to die permanently after they felt they have lived out there immortality as they saw fit.
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Not really harder than it is for anyone else.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
The death of the normally deathless seems like a bigger sacrifice especially since we actually have some responsibility towards them.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
We already are a faction and the vast majority exist within the NeverNever not on Earth. Power projection isn't an issue we already discovered a possible method for army deployment for later on.
You know how the concept of gangs works IRL? If you want to hold territory you need people to do it. The amount of people depends on the amount of territory. We have people holding the Last Station and we spent several arcs reinforcing it.
Don't know why your being so antagonistic here.
There was always the idea to make a God of Chicago for long while now for other reasons. The portals would be a bonus. It'd be a God capable of defending itself.
It'd be a lot easier to prevent it from being exploited as it'd only exist in one city as opposed to several locations like your suggesting and we spend the majority of our time in Chicago anyway.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We kind of have to accelerate our war with the Red Court now considering that we now effectively border them.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Yes, and there's a portal sitting in the heart of their territory to help facilitate that.
Maybe it's because I feel like you're really taking armies completely out of context. You don't need an army to hold a building. 20 to 30 people can hold a building and you would be hard-pressed to consider that an army even at the most reach of reaches to consider that in army and buildings constitute territory.
I really don't get what you mean having defenses Nemesis very specifically Works actually great on spirits that is literally the only thing we know about
Nemesis. This is before the fact literal Titans cannot resist being called into direct combat with Wizards.
Several locations which can be very specifically picked either to be directly on the same water main or Network or be directly connected to the same bodies of water whether that be River Lake for ocean or be directly piped into those places. We have access to essentially teleportation if the place has access to a body of water.
Though you are right I was being antagonistic I was just completely and utterly irritated/annoyed by the idea that armies are needed to hold basic fucking buildings it actually caused my brain to Fritz and I'm actually sorry because this is just a conversation online and there's really no reason to get sassy like that.
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BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Point is we need troops to hold a location as we do with the Last Station. The amount needed would depend on the number of locations their surroundings and size.
We may very well need an army's worth of people if the amount of bases wanted on earth is vast enough or buildings per base for that matter. An issue presented with creating more attack surfaces is that you'll have to defend them.
That can prove problematic if the attacking force is strong enough that we feel the need to intervene but also desire to be doing something else of importance with our AP managed schedule when they get attacked. The Rampires for example have the motive along with an army's worth of people and global reach.
Its fine if you think the God of Chicago idea is a bad one. Though I made up my mind on it years ago when the idea was originally brought up and people went over it's potential capabilities with DP.
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If we don't have men on earth their effectively useless as a faction on earth you know where the quest is.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
We have men on earth. In the Last Station and Boston. We've brought them out as needed plenty of times for combat making use of them on earth. Where the Quest is. We have some with us right now even.
We can likely bring more for immediate military purposes as the need arises using the method I described.
No.
It's literally all I can say do you not know what an army is?
Unless we're trying to take a city and a modern major one at that we will never ever ever ever need an army anywhere in the mortal world not even fighting the fucking Reds.
The Reds do not have an Army's worth of people full stop. They have connections to actual armies and they do indeed have Global reach due to holding territory in the form of businesses, criminal Enterprises and actual land.
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BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
I'm in the military, I know what an army is. I think your being overly pedantic and getting heated over a word rather than responding to what I'm trying to communicate. Anything past this point would probably just be me repeating myself in different ways so, that's about it from me.
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Actually they do have people who lead certain nations so they do have armies. Not sure how they could possibly justify using mortal armies against supernatural assets though so its basically a non factor. But they do definitely have mortal armies.
Cool cool I'm glad that you're in the army you know would you say tens of thousands of men walking down the line is a thing that we would ever need ever.
Not a platoon or a battalion you know anywhere from 150 to 1,000 or just a couple of squads or squadrons you know a normal amount of force to ever muster ever. It's not being pedantic because the difference between an army and a group of soldiers is the difference between a nuclear weapon blast and a firecracker.
Words have fucking meaning. Just say that you don't want to have tens of men in the world because you think they constitute a greater vulnerability surface than just a hole directly into our soul that would be opening and closing at intervals that we only partially control depending on how they're opening.
The first thing that comes to mind when I think Army isn't fucking gang and I know it's not the first thing that comes to your mind Because if you are also in the Army Then you know what a fucking Army looks like or very least you can imagine it it's a thousand groupings of your PT group every morning. It's apcs rolling down cracked highways, it's munitions, artillery, Logistics.
Just use words that mean what you actually want to say.
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They really don't. Militaries while they are direct hierarchies and structures that have commanding officers they're still directly accountable to civilian and internal governance.
Not to mention have a frequent drug tests. There's also the fact that deploying your military on the inside of a country isn't something that can just be done by a single officer or general nor can it be done on short notice or without reason.
All this to say unless the reds are literally they're both the high command of every Central and South American countries Army And also directly controlling their executive branches. They only have deep connections and possibly corrupt connections to armies rather than having armies they can call their own.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
The portal was what I was talking about.
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- Brazil
Not really, at this point the god not dying was because he had mistaken our intention, as Bronze and I discussed immediately afterwards. Once the immediate crisis has passed and Molly Prime can be there to guard against any trouble, he will be crushed by the Wheel as normal and then reborn.
I'll have to hunt down the quote, but if I recall correctly it was confirmed that we could make a similar portal by making a god of Chicago and taking them to the Courts. And I am planning to make said god next turn. Chicago certainly needs defenses.
I have a couple of plans for the next turn for that.
If we hadn't chosen what we have during this event then maybe, but as is that's biting off way more than we can chew.
We need to get a handle on the portal we have and how it impacts our people before we open a second one or divert resources to build a god somewhere else. Especially since it's in enemy territory and needs extraordinary protection even by the standards of soul portals.