I didn't say that I will be voting to open a second portal. I'll be voting to make a city god. If we take that god to the Courts afterwards, we could make a second portal, but those are not inherently connected. And we need to secure the homefront.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I still don't think it's wise to spend resources on that right now. If we hadn't opened the portal then maybe, but as it stands we've got commitments to fill.
Personally I think next turn should be a split between defending the portal, following up on the warlock situation, and paying our debts. Done right we can make these things play off one another and serve additional purposes at the same time.
For example; the red war is a serious concern to the well being of the wizards, mortals of earth, and FCF. The portal is a danger, but also an opportunity to advance that. I've got a few splendor designs floating around that would help defend it, but also turn Mallko's domain into an absolute nightmare for the reds to operate in. Best case that would include all of the old territorial boundaries of the Incan Empire.
The wizards really need a win right now for multiple reasons, and we'd benefit from local experts when building defenses. If we make some splendors and pull them into things then we get better defenses and they get to drive the shiv deeper into the reds at much lower personal risk.
If we can swing it building Ivy's splendors would be good too. We could use the opportunity presented by delivering them to make an argument to her about the warlocks being her problem because they were outsider plants spreading who knows what kind of outsider knowledge. Getting her more actively involved in hunting the remnants would make our lives easier.
Seems like a better use of time to me right now.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Is the previous vote plan still in effect? Since it said to interrogate the Warlocks and not Peabody.
[X] Yog
[X] Yog
Oh... I see. The thing is Peabody is a warlock. I thought you guys wanted a choice.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Ah. That explains a bit, Uju's argument for his vote counted the 'warlocks' and 'Peabody' as two separate parties as the risk factor was different in questioning them.Oh... I see. The thing is Peabody is a warlock. I thought you guys wanted a choice.
So if people vote to interrogate just the other warlocks would the details of his plan still be used here? Yog said earlier that he assumed it's still in effect when he wrote his vote.
[X] Yog
Sure, that makes sense.
I dont think we can assume that
But QM fiat is fine.
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VOTE
[]Plan Faustian Bargain
-[]The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more coperative
--[] Offer them a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
--[] Ask where Luccio was sent
--[] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[]Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to help, plus pull up IDs of all conspirators
VOTE
[X] Plan Bearding the Lion
-[X]Samuel Peabody
--[X] Ask where Luccio was sent
--[X] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[X] Sophia and Lydia both help, Sophia by using her mini-Excellency and Lydia by using Akashic Root Methodology
-[X]Use a Crown question to clear if he doesnt answer. Focus: Scene OR Peabody's wizard staff OR his robes
-[X] Offer the surrendered warlocks a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
RATIONALE
The first voting option is the sensible, quick option IC. The smart one.
Thats not the option Im voting for.
The second one, and the one Im actually voting for, is the one I think the QM is interested in writing.
IMO.
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Uhm I now know why you think that, but what happened is I saw warlocks and I thought 'oh Peabody's a warlock too, wonder if they want to wake him up too?' I should have read more carefully, but it was pretty late for me at the time and I was starting to get a headache.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
It's the same plan really since DP said the last one would still be in effect. Looking back though Yog's doesn't have us offer a chance to be free of the black magic so I'll change to this one to specify that.
It's the only difference between the two.
[X]Plan Faustian Bargain
-[X]The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more coperative
--[X] Offer them a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
--[X] Ask where Luccio was sent
--[X] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[X]Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to help, plus pull up IDs of all conspirators
It's the only difference between the two.
[X]Plan Faustian Bargain
-[X]The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more coperative
--[X] Offer them a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
--[X] Ask where Luccio was sent
--[X] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[X]Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to help, plus pull up IDs of all conspirators
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Ah.
Okay, back to the fast, easier option.
VOTE
[X]Plan Faustian Bargain
-[X]The surrendered warlocks, they know less but are likely to be more coperative
--[X] Offer them a chance to be free of the effects of Black Magic (optional)
--[X] Ask where Luccio was sent
--[X] Ask about the location of the missing Senior Council Agents
-[X]Lydia uses Akashic Root Methodology to help, plus pull up IDs of all conspirators
Ivar
Dark Reaper
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This was the first personal visit. Before that he probably only visited indirectly. After that he only appeared after creating a body for Lash
My list of actions for the next turn for Molly prime can be summed as pretty much "fortress construction":
1) Construct defenses for the portal - Exalted Craft Charm + Lord of the Land + MHM + always on eschaton shintai + Path of Fortune and Mana manipulation minions + Proxy Servant Protocol = geomantic construction on a scale not seen from the First Age. I want to see the glorious, glorious fortress building
2) Start paying off crafting debts + start crafting for our circle. Unless the Forge is not ready, in which case we'll need to finish the Forge. We'll need the tools for everything else
3) Secure the Shard of Gold - deal with Exaltation (i.e. construct defenses for it, not unseal or even investigate it), coupled with establishing presence in Vegas
4) Make the god of Chicago - I want to secure the homefront badly. And this is a step towards making the manse, which we'll need, I feel, to deal with Lasciel and others
5) Deal with Evil Bob - evil Bob in Washington is a pressing ongoing and immediate issue
6) Either Big Score (i.e. lottery winnings) to obtain seed money for a number of ventures, or, if we can make a clone do it (we only need to use the Crown once, everything else the clone can do), then visiting the horror convention with Rosie, because that's the kind of lighthearted stuff I actually want to read about for a moment, and it's good for Molly's mental state
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I looked around there but all I could find was Micheal telling us what Heaven said regarding Tiffany. Uriel didn't visit to say something about us making her a body. I'm rather positive the visit over the FFC was the second and last one.
@DragonParadox Do you remember? I might have to go back.
Uriel only met you guys once. You did have the option to conjure by his name a few times but did not do so.
Do we want to make that black magic offer now? Or to these guys in the first place?
Silk is a good example of someone who got warped but still has enough presence of mind to understand that what she feels as a result of lawbreaking isn't right and needs to be managed like a medical condition. These guys seem a lot like they're in the pattern of the Australian we captured; indoctrinated into a completely new mode of thinking before they even did it for the first time.
That's tragic, but it still means they aren't safe even without the lawbreaking backlash. Deprogramming is hard, and requires the patient to really want it to even start.
They're also the worst possible starting points on a political level. Unlike a Warden newly forced to break the laws the warlocks here are everything the council hates and fears. A softer introduction to the concept is a lot better idea.
More generally, we only have ourselves to blame if we complain about busy arcs and then keep packing multiple major events into them with our AP choices. Making a god, playing with a Solar, and hunting necromatic nazi knowledge spirits are not trivial side quests.
Silk is a good example of someone who got warped but still has enough presence of mind to understand that what she feels as a result of lawbreaking isn't right and needs to be managed like a medical condition. These guys seem a lot like they're in the pattern of the Australian we captured; indoctrinated into a completely new mode of thinking before they even did it for the first time.
That's tragic, but it still means they aren't safe even without the lawbreaking backlash. Deprogramming is hard, and requires the patient to really want it to even start.
They're also the worst possible starting points on a political level. Unlike a Warden newly forced to break the laws the warlocks here are everything the council hates and fears. A softer introduction to the concept is a lot better idea.
Any resources we put to the Chicago god would be better spent on our current problems. I don't want to get into the shard of gold argument again either, but in addition to my other problems with it we now also have more time sensitive stuff to spend AP on.
More generally, we only have ourselves to blame if we complain about busy arcs and then keep packing multiple major events into them with our AP choices. Making a god, playing with a Solar, and hunting necromatic nazi knowledge spirits are not trivial side quests.
Yes.
This is about False Springs Beckons, and we're already committed to buying the charm.
The Council will understandably have reservations about any such proposal Molly presents, and its use on members and Wardens in good standing who got whammied, whether they volunteer or not.
But these warlocks are dead men walking anyway. Absent any intervention, the Council is gonna kill them.
They make convenient test cases for the use of False Springs Beckons, and the Council is unlikely to push to kill them while they can observe it working. Even if its just to gather information on its efficacy.
Its something obvious to the perps as well, so they will volunteer.
And if its working, it reduces any internal resistance from the Council to its use on those poor fuckers who got mind-fucked into stuff they wouldnt normally do.
Its something that works from multiple angles
^^^
Im generally skeptical about the idea of attempting to raise major gods without a LOT more investigation of their limits and influence on the place where we are doing any such thing.
But even if I was willing, now is most definitely not the time to be thinking of doing this.
Too many other things on our plate.
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Making a god, unless stuff goes terribly wrong, is not an opposed action. See making Tiffany. It was handled in a couple of updates. It is also not an action that spends resources. It taps Last Station dragon nest for power, but we aren't using it for anything else. Spirits don't require splendor crafting reagents. Unless you are planning to spend 3+ AP on any action, there's no competition or spending of limited resources here.
As to the shard of gold, relying entirely on meta-argument and hopium is not something I want to test.
We are over extended. Which is why we need to secure the homefront and other commitments before we can start acting again. Right now Chicago is bulnerable. Las Vegas is vulnerable. Portal is vulnerable. We need to improve security of all those things. Washington and internet in general are being actively subverted against us. We need to shut that down fast.
You cant go "We are overextended" and then propose we make something else that has to be defended.
A new god of a major city is a person in their own right, not an appliance, with their own opinions and goals. They arent someone we can automatically assume is someone we get to order around to our own benefit. And they would be a major target in their own right, since successfully hitting them would have politicoeconomic and magical effects on Chicago, the US and the setting.
Slow your roll.