Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

so not a priority dp but is it a fair assumption any given path or skill at least has a few hundred to maybe a thousand people with 5 dots in it throughout our hell? Where hundreds of millions if not billions are magic users to varying levels with centuries upon centuries to refine their crafts. Offhand has anyone reached 7 dots in a skill or path in our hell out of those over a thousand years old?
 
Just to be even clearer here, I have never stated that I wanted to kill every hostile. The response deemed appropriate should depend on the risk to those in our party or the people we're trying to save. A Death Curse typically poses a rather notable risk especially since you don't necessarily know what it's going to be before it happens.

If there were non Warlock hostiles around right now or just non Warlock/traitors near the presumed blast radius of this guy's DC would you be arguing for a riskier nonlethal takedown?
Molly, Sophia and Lydia all have antishaping defenses, high Soak and high HP.
We also have two of the White Council's scariest combat wizards right here, right now. Counting the wizards, the Exalts, the Sanctuary sorcerers, Olivia and Lash, there are 14 people with various forms of countermagick here.
And I know I argued for ensuring all the Exalts could throw every form of countermagic because of this sort of thing.


Dunno. Depends on how many they were and who exactly they were. The only reason this is even a question is because he is trying a death curse; in a normal fight where we were trading shots we'd just nonlethal him into unconsciousness the normal way with bullets/lasers through the kneecaps, without called shots for paralysis.

It's possible sure but I'll have to disagree with seeing it as realistic. Too many unknowns to say as such right now. You expend more resources (essence, time etc) doing it this way to compensate for the added risk of trying to take every hostile in non-lethally regardless of the scenario as opposed to having killing being on the table. Specifically the killing of Warlocks who may try deploying meat shield and hostage tactics down the line with anyone else who happens to be here.
Not all warlocks are capable of mind control. Shaw wasnt.
Evil wizards all have their own specialties. The one guy we KNOW is mind-control heavy is Peabody.

And while there's an increased resource draw to pull it off, thats why we brought extra people with the resources to expend.
This is a 22-person warparty led by a Solaroid, with two superlative magical healers onsite.
Our options are tailored to give us a breadth of options.
This is assuming that they don't try and utilize a riskier but faster method to getting there with some success or that they don't establish communication with some who are already present at Edinburgh making stealth less viable. I doubt they would've been helpless without timely recourse here if they disapproved of Molly making an assault without them present. This sounds like the sort of thing one may spend a favor on considering the subject matter.
Morgan wouldnt have travelled through Shagnasty's neck of the woods to reach Chicago in Turn Coat if he could simply teleport or use alternative means. Teleportation is possible, but apparently on much shorter distances. Anything else appears to require the involvement of a player on at least the tier of the Leanansidhe.

Wizards are resourceful, and do incredible things given preptime.
They still have limits, especially at short notice.



You aren't listening. Why is this the reference he's making? What in Morgan's perception allows him / points him to "this is a nephilim"? He doesn't know Tiffany's origins. All he has to go on are her physical appearance and the feel of her magic-like abilities. I highly doubt he used Sight on her. Further, I highly doubt he has seen Lore use firsthand before. Denarians are capable of it, but as I understand it, they mostly augment their mortal bearers. He wouldn't use Sight on Swords of the Cross obviously. Has Morgan seen direct divine miracles before? Most of those should be True Faith or mortal magic, and thus feel different from Lore use. Has he seen angels fighting something directly? I highly doubt that.

Point is - why and how is he making the reference based on what he knows? What in Tiffany's looks, magic, aura, etc says "descendant of / related to angels of White God"?

I don't dispute that this is an appropriate reference. I am questioning how he came to make it.
Ah, I think I see what you mean. I can think of several potential explanations.


Firstly, we know angels do show up on Earth to some people even now; Harry started meeting Uriel fairly regularly after White Night. Morgan might have just met one or more before, once upon a time. Not the kind of thing you forget.
After all, we know he's met, fought, and killed at least one naagloshii.

Secondly, Morgan has almost certainly been around long enough to run into Denarians before, and every Denarian we have seen other than Nicodemus has a warform.
I wont be surprised if he's seen Denarian warforms and angelic Lores being used.

Thirdly, MacAnally's Bar is run by a retired angel who is explicitly on friendly speaking terms with Luccio. Enough for her to tease him. In Dead Beat Morgan used the Sight to scan Mac's bar for spies/enemy agents under veils, BUT he knew not to point the Sight at MacAnally himself.
I could respect that. I had run through few bad patches that were just as well left behind and forgotten.
Mac looked up abruptly, and started polishing the bar near the shotgun's clip. A second later the door opened, and a Warden of the White Council came in.
He was a tall man, six feet and then some, and built with the solidity of an aging soldier. His lank hair had more grey in it than I remembered, and was drawn back into a ponytail. His face was narrow, almost pinched, and in the absence of any other expression, he looked like he had just taken a big bite of alum-sprinkled lemon rind. The Warden wore the grey cloak of his office over black fatigues. He carried a carved staff in his right hand, and bore a long-bladed sword on his left hip.
That much I had expected.
What surprised me was how battered he looked.
The Warden's cloak was ripped in several spots, and stained with what could have been mud, blood, and greenish motor oil. There were burn marks along the hem, and several raw, ragged holes in it that might have been the results of corrosive burns. His staff looked similarly nicked and stained-and the man himself looked like a boxer after a tough tenth round. He had bruises on one cheek. His nose had been broken sometime in the past several weeks. There was an ugly line of fresh, scarlet scar tissue running from his hairline to one eyebrow, and I could see white bandages through a hole in his jacket, over his left biceps.
For all of that, he came through the door like a man who knew he could clear out a bar full of marines if he needed to, and his eyes settled on me at once. His mouth twisted into an even more sour frown.
"Wizard Dresden," he said quietly.
"Warden Morgan," I responded. I figured Morgan would be along with any Wardens sent to Chicago. It was in his area of responsibility, and he didn't like me. He'd spent a few years following me around, hoping to catch me performing black magic so that he could execute me. It hadn't happened, and the Council had lifted my probation. I don't think he had ever forgiven me for that. He blamed me for other things too, I think, but I had always figured they were just excuses. Some people don't get along, ever. Morgan and I were two of them.
"McAnally," Morgan said to the tavern keeper.
"Donald," Mac replied.
Interesting. Hell, I'd been on the Council for years, and I hadn't known Morgan's first name.
"Dresden," Morgan said. "Have you checked for veils?"
"If I told you I had, you'd check it yourself anyway, Morgan," I said. "So I didn't bother."
"Of course you didn't," he said. I saw him frown a little in concentration, and then his eyes went a bit out of focus. He swept his gaze around the room, using his Sight, that odd, half-surreal sense that lets wizards observe the forces of magic moving around them. A wizard's Sight cuts through all kinds of veils and spells meant to disguise and distract. It's a potent ability, but it comes at a price. Anything you see through the Sight stays with you, never fading in your memory, always right there for recall, as if you'd just seen it. You can't just forget something that you See. It's there for life.
Morgan didn't let his gaze linger too long near Mac or myself, and then he nodded to himself, and called out, "Clear."
The door opened and Warden Luccio came in. She was a solid old matriarch of a woman, as tall as most men and built like someone who did plenty of physical labor. Her hair was a solid shade of iron grey, cropped into a neat, military cut. She too wore a Warden's grey cloak, though she wore clothes suitable for hiking or camping beneath that: jeans, cotton, flannel, boots, all in muted tones of grey and brown. She too carried a staff and bore a sword at her side, though hers was a slender scimitar, light and elegant. Though not as worn as Morgan's, her gear also showed evidence of recent action.
"Warden Luccio," I said, and rose from the bar stool to incline my head to her.
"Wizard," she said quietly. I would have needed a high-speed camera to take in the details of her smile, but at least it was there. She nodded to me and then a little more deeply to Mac.
Behind her came three more Wardens. The first was a young man I vaguely recognized from a Council meeting a few years back. He had naturally tanned skin, dark hair, dark eyes, and sharp-edged, classically Spanish features. I remembered him in an apprentice's brown robe back then, and covering his mouth with one hand to conceal a grin inspired by some of my dialogue with the Council's bigwigs.

The brown robe was gone, and he looked like he had filled in a little since I'd first seen him, but good Lord, he was younger than Billy the werewolf. He wore a grey cloak that looked reasonably clean and not at all damaged, and black fatigues beneath that. A simple, straight sword hung from one hip, and was balanced on the other side by a holstered Glock and, I kid you not, three round fragmentation grenades. His staff was fairly new-looking, but there were enough dents and nicks in it to make me think he had kept things from hitting him with it, and he walked with a kind of arrogant confidence you see only in people who have not yet realized their own mortality.
"This is Warden Ramirez," Luccio said. "Ramirez, Dresden."
"How's it going?" Ramirez said, flashing me a grin.
I shrugged. "You know. Pretty much the usual."
Two more Wardens came in behind him, and they looked even younger and greener. Their cloaks and staves were immaculate, and they wore clothes and equipment so similar to Ramirez's that they qualified as a uniform. Luccio introduced the blocky young man with distant, haunted eyes as Kowalski. The sweet-faced young Asian girl's name was Yoshimo.
I limped over to Luccio and nodded at the tables Mac had set up. "I hope there's room enough. When are the other Wardens arriving?"
Luccio fixed me with a quiet, weary gaze. Then she drew her hands from beneath her cloak and held out a folded bundle wrapped in brown paper, offering it to me. "Take it."
I took the bundle and unwrapped it.
It was a folded grey cloak.
"Put it on," said Luccio in her quiet, steady voice. "And then every available Warden will be here."


Chapter Thirty-one

I stared at Luccio for a second. "That's a joke," I said. "Right?"
She gave me a brief, bitter smile. "Master McAnally," she said to Mac. "I think we could use a round. Do you have anything decent to drink?"
Mac grunted and said, "Got a new dark."
"Is it worth drinking?" Luccio asked. She sounded tired, but there was a teasing tone to her voice.
Mac glowered at her in answer, and she gave him a smile that was part challenge and part apology, and took a seat at one of the tables. She gestured at the table and said, "Wardens, please join me."

Morgan took the seat to Luccio's right, and the look he gave me could have burned holes in sheet metal. I did what I always did when Morgan did that: I eyed him right back, then dismissed him as if he weren't even there. I pulled out the chair opposite Luccio and sat. The two youngest Wardens sat down, but Ramirez stayed standing until Mac had brought over bottles of his dark ale and left them on the table. He headed back over to the bar.
Ramirez glanced at Luccio, and she nodded. "Close the circle, please, Warden."
The young man drew a piece of chalk from his pocket, and quickly drew a heavy line on the floor all the way around the table. He finished the circle, then touched it lightly with the forefinger of his right hand and spoke a quiet word. I felt a flicker of his will as he released a tiny bit of power into the circle. The circle closed around us in a sudden, silent tension, raising a thin barrier around us that was almost entirely impregnable to magical forces. If anyone had been trying to spy on the meeting with magic, the circle would prevent it. If anyone had left some kind of listening device nearby, the magic-saturated air within the circle would be certain to fry it within a minute.
Ramirez nodded to himself and then reversed the last open chair at the table and straddled it, resting one arm on the back. Morgan slid him the last bottle of ale, and he took it in one hand.

Fourthly, remember when the priest-enchanter Oliver Adkin in Vegas said that he suspected Lash felt like something out of the Kabbalah? Its possible that humans recognize angels/angel-descended on sight.
At least, when they arent deliberately hiding.


Five, we know that other nephilim currently exist in the setting because we've met several non-human ones.
Mouse and his siblings are Temple Dogs, and Temple Dogs are the offspring of a celestial spirit and mortal canine parent, and have been known to live for centuries.

Uriel calls him Little Brother, and Mab calls him Guardian, Anduriel flinches from him, and wizards consider them credible witnesses in a criminal trial.
Possibly Morgan has met other nephilim before.


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Also worth remembering that the White Council WILL have touched base with Harry personally after Vegas and the events there, including the averted apocalypse, the new administration, and the expulsion of the local Red Court presence.

Listens To Wind, at the very least, would have shown up personally to ask about the seals on the Hellgate that was set up by native Americans long gone. And probably to offer a medical checkup for that Agg damage. So would Carlos, because Vegas is putatively in his normal jurisdiction, even if the White Council dont often go there.

And we were told in a Harry interlude(Arc 12 Interlude 6) that McCoy has met Lash personally and given her a shovel talk
When he had last seen Ebenezer the old man had spent a good five minutes petting Mister and when Harry had asked him why he'd said: 'Seeing as you got nine lives worth of luck Hoss I figured it must have robbed off from this fellow.' Then Mouse had barked in what sounded suspiciously like approval.

There had been a part of him then that had wished the old man would say something about his living arrangements so he could channel his inner teenager and 'put his foot down', but all he had done was look the Fallen Angel up and down and say: "I will find you if you give me reason to."

To which she had just nodded, like it was the most normal thing in the world.

Somehow Harry had managed to bite back the joke about shotguns that came to mind, but now looking at the... literally angelic face surrounded by a halo of hair shining blue white from the electric light he wondered... and then he promptly stopped wondering when she looked his way. Lash had said she did not read his mind and Harry believed her, but over the last month he had learned that she could do something almost just as good reading faces...
A bunch of people have met her, looked into her, asked questions about where she came from. I guarantee there have been quiet, off-the-books conversations at the highest levels of the Senior Council and Wardens about Dresden's new associates.
Those who know, know.
 
Say should we assume that they shot one of our more squishy members because they knew who was squishy and not ahead of time or was it just plain luck? Cause I can buy them knowing we're durable ahead of time but what about the others is my question.
 
Say should we assume that they shot one of our more squishy members because they knew who was squishy and not ahead of time or was it just plain luck? Cause I can buy them knowing we're durable ahead of time but what about the others is my question.
You mean with Marge? She got hit because she botched a magic trace roll so hard she gave her target the opportunity to punch back and forfeited the ability to actively defend herself.

Presumably he'd have tried that on anyone who gave him the chance, she was just the first one to do it.
 
You mean with Marge? She got hit because she botched a magic trace roll so hard she gave her target the opportunity to punch back and forfeited the ability to actively defend herself.

Presumably he'd have tried that on anyone who gave him the chance, she was just the first one to do it.
okay so just bad luck and not so much having an insane information network. Well I hope she survives worse case scenario if shes about to die we jump into our hell and let her reincarnate maybe? There's probably a brief period before fully dead and soul leaving the body right?
 
okay so just bad luck and not so much having an insane information network. Well I hope she survives worse case scenario if shes about to die we jump into our hell and let her reincarnate maybe? There's probably a brief period before fully dead and soul leaving the body right?
She's fine; Tiffany made the necessary healthcare rolls.
Physically combat capable, even, once the actual mental shock wears off, which might be a while.
 
She's fine; Tiffany made the necessary healthcare rolls.
Physically combat capable, even, once the actual mental shock wears off, which might be a while.
This reminds me in a sword without a hilt where richard got his throat cut open and then proceeded to still kill the demigod or whatever giant. D&D pain resistance is not a thing here.
 
And while there's an increased resource draw to pull it off, thats why we brought extra people with the resources to expend.
This is a 22-person warparty led by a Solaroid, with two superlative magical healers onsite.
Our options are tailored to give us a breadth of options
Anyways after sleeping on and rereading, I'm changing my vote. I'm still ready to kill a Warlock if the alternative is unacceptable as we don't even need everyone alive to begin with but it seems fine to try in this instance.

[X]Plan Shutdown

Edit: Also keep in mind these guys have some kind of instant communication network and what that implies everytime we stop.
 
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As a general thing, I think an easy place to draw flavorful tools for our hell would be stuff like the advanced armory for hunters. It's the sort of low level but useful stuff I'd expect an industrial magical power could throw around in bulk.

She's fine; Tiffany made the necessary healthcare rolls.
Physically combat capable, even, once the actual mental shock wears off, which might be a while.
It's good that Tiffany was right there, but I think someone needs to have a talk with the wizards about safety equipment. Something to insulate against one botch blowing your head off.

Not that we have much room to talk, but we have a larger margin for error.

This is actually something that our people's magical traditions might be able to help with outside of the technological end of things. At their root many of the FCF's tricks are based on symbiotic interactions with spirits. I wouldn't be surprised if guys who share their bodies with spirits end up with some serious advantages in general and in particular edges related to action economy, to name one example.

Really it'd be funnily appropriate if they got compounding magical resistance because every member of a union got a separate night folk counter magic roll to defend their shared body, even if it's not likely.

The Wizards probably won't want to do that, but the spirits of the courts have had a lot of time to get familiar with symbiotic relationships and device based magic. Which is the kind of thing that should make them amenable to magic most other spirits would find too alien to tolerate.

I've talked about using an Arcana for this ourselves, but it'd make a lot of sense for people in our hells to have stuff like spirit guardians to try last ditch counterspells and the like. There's even another hunter tool to base it off of; Goetic Gospels.

We probably don't want the exact same mechanics, but it demonstrates the idea and even makes sense as the start of a spirit binder's path. You don't want to form a spiritual union without some working experience first, so it's natural you'd get increasingly close by other means first.

Finding a Pokémon spirit buddy to support a Gospel of Agares style effect would be very helpful for a wizard looking to not explode.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Sep 15, 2024 at 12:07 PM, finished with 116 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X]Plan Shutdown
    -[X] Olivia tries to send a sniper bullet through the warlock's brain stem, causing him to blank out without technically killing him. Tiffany can fix him for interrogation later
    --[X]Olivia: Flow of Ki + spend WP for automatic success: 1WP, 2 Mana
    --[X]Molly: Shadow Spite Curse on warlock
    --[X]Sophia: Grab body of warlock before he hits the ground and breaks his damned neck
    --[X]Tiffany: Manipulate Flesh(Stamina) on self to increase soak
    [x] Let the wizards handle is
    -[x]Use Shadow Spite Curse to make the Warlock fumble his death curse. BSM and CCC still apply.
    -[x]Stunt: Dealing with the death curse of Warlocks is hardly anything new for Wardens of the White Council. But you put your thumb on the scale. The Warlock's spite is nothing compared to your own.
    [X]Plan Shutdown
    -[X] Olivia tries to send a sniper bullet through the warlock's brain stem, causing him to blank out without technically killing him. Tiffany can fix him for interrogation later
    --[X]Tiffany: Flow of Ki + spend WP for automatic success: 1WP, 2 Mana
    --[X]Molly: Shadow Spite Curse on warlock
    --[X]Sophia: Grab body of warlock before he hits the ground and breaks his damned neck
    --[X]Tiffany: Manipulate Flesh(Stamina) on self to increase soak
    [x]Plan Simple vision
    -[X]Olivia uses first dot hell weaving to trap the warlock in a scary vision. 1 demon chi and giving Molly a gold coin.
    -[x] Molly uses Shadow Spite Curse to make the Warlock fumble his death curse just in case. BSM and CCC still apply.
    [X] Expedited Problem Solving
    -[X] Olivia puts a bullet through the warlock's forehead
    -[X] The wizards who aren't otherwise occupied will try to deal with the Death Curse, if the warlock is able to fire it off before Olivia takes her shot
    -[X] Stunt: This is just the beginning of what promises to be a long, drawn out ordeal. You and your allies cannot afford to waste precious resources on the opening act, not when the forces arrayed against you have yet to truly show themselves. This man is a distraction, an expendable pawn that needs to be put down before he can delay you further. You call out to Olivia, trusting the skills imparted to her by your agents and the abilities you bestowed upon her. "Take the shot!" You have not even finished speaking when the muffled report from Olivia's powerful rifle sounds out, an hypersonic round larger than your index finger cutting through the air with deadly purpose.
    --[X] Harry and his fellow Wardens know their business and don't need you to tell them how to defend against a warlock with a deathwish. Just as you can trust Olivia to play her part, so too can you trust them to play theirs.
    [X] Expedited Problem Solving
 
I'm curious to see SSC in action for the first time, especially in this context.

With BSM and CCC active that comes out to 9 dice at difficulty 3.

That's a ~74% chance of 7+ successes. The guy can't counter spell and cast at the same time, so we have good odds of essentially erasing his arete roll.

Assuming that's the case, how does that work out narratively? Does the power just stop answering? Is he getting demon grade bad luck, or is it more Molly using demon spite to do something specific to snarl his efforts?
 
I still have to say, it shouldn't be that easy to game a Death Curse, "I kill myself and curse you before the fight even properly begins" and all that. But I don't actually know enough about DF Lore to see if that's a stretch or not.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 15, 2024 at 1:05 PM, finished with 119 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X]Plan Shutdown
    -[X] Olivia tries to send a sniper bullet through the warlock's brain stem, causing him to blank out without technically killing him. Tiffany can fix him for interrogation later
    --[X]Olivia: Flow of Ki + spend WP for automatic success: 1WP, 2 Mana
    --[X]Molly: Shadow Spite Curse on warlock
    --[X]Sophia: Grab body of warlock before he hits the ground and breaks his damned neck
    --[X]Tiffany: Manipulate Flesh(Stamina) on self to increase soak
    [x] Let the wizards handle is
    -[x]Use Shadow Spite Curse to make the Warlock fumble his death curse. BSM and CCC still apply.
    -[x]Stunt: Dealing with the death curse of Warlocks is hardly anything new for Wardens of the White Council. But you put your thumb on the scale. The Warlock's spite is nothing compared to your own.
    [X]Plan Shutdown
    -[X] Olivia tries to send a sniper bullet through the warlock's brain stem, causing him to blank out without technically killing him. Tiffany can fix him for interrogation later
    --[X]Tiffany: Flow of Ki + spend WP for automatic success: 1WP, 2 Mana
    --[X]Molly: Shadow Spite Curse on warlock
    --[X]Sophia: Grab body of warlock before he hits the ground and breaks his damned neck
    --[X]Tiffany: Manipulate Flesh(Stamina) on self to increase soak
    [x]Plan Simple vision
    -[X]Olivia uses first dot hell weaving to trap the warlock in a scary vision. 1 demon chi and giving Molly a gold coin.
    -[x] Molly uses Shadow Spite Curse to make the Warlock fumble his death curse just in case. BSM and CCC still apply.
    [X] Expedited Problem Solving
    -[X] Olivia puts a bullet through the warlock's forehead
    -[X] The wizards who aren't otherwise occupied will try to deal with the Death Curse, if the warlock is able to fire it off before Olivia takes her shot
    -[X] Stunt: This is just the beginning of what promises to be a long, drawn out ordeal. You and your allies cannot afford to waste precious resources on the opening act, not when the forces arrayed against you have yet to truly show themselves. This man is a distraction, an expendable pawn that needs to be put down before he can delay you further. You call out to Olivia, trusting the skills imparted to her by your agents and the abilities you bestowed upon her. "Take the shot!" You have not even finished speaking when the muffled report from Olivia's powerful rifle sounds out, an hypersonic round larger than your index finger cutting through the air with deadly purpose.
    --[X] Harry and his fellow Wardens know their business and don't need you to tell them how to defend against a warlock with a deathwish. Just as you can trust Olivia to play her part, so too can you trust them to play theirs.
    [X] Expedited Problem Solving
 
I'm curious to see SSC in action for the first time, especially in this context.

With BSM and CCC active that comes out to 9 dice at difficulty 3.

That's a ~74% chance of 7+ successes. The guy can't counter spell and cast at the same time, so we have good odds of essentially erasing his arete roll.

Assuming that's the case, how does that work out narratively? Does the power just stop answering? Is he getting demon grade bad luck, or is it more Molly using demon spite to do something specific to snarl his efforts?
The alternative is that he gets Botch on all his dice and removes himself from reality.
 
Anyways after sleeping on and rereading, I'm changing my vote. I'm still ready to kill a Warlock if the alternative is unacceptable as we don't even need everyone alive to begin with but it seems fine to try in this instance.

[X]Plan Shutdown
Edit: Also keep in mind these guys have some kind of instant communication network and what that implies everytime we stop.
Yes they do.
But not all of them have access to it. Else we couldnt have taken Shaw as we did when we did.

As a general thing, I think an easy place to draw flavorful tools for our hell would be stuff like the advanced armory for hunters. It's the sort of low level but useful stuff I'd expect an industrial magical power could throw around in bulk.
As long as you're not trying to draw on the mechanics.
Thats Hunter The Vigil, not Hunter The Reckoning. New World of Darkness, not Old World of Darkness.

I'm curious to see SSC in action for the first time, especially in this context.

With BSM and CCC active that comes out to 9 dice at difficulty 3.
That's a ~74% chance of 7+ successes. The guy can't counter spell and cast at the same time, so we have good odds of essentially erasing his arete roll.

Assuming that's the case, how does that work out narratively? Does the power just stop answering? Is he getting demon grade bad luck, or is it more Molly using demon spite to do something specific to snarl his efforts?
It just doesnt work.
Wont be the first time; if you have insufficient mojo, or pick a sufficiently brawny target, they can tank your death curse and walk it off with no effects. Ebenezar thought his daughter had wasted her death curse on a target that was too tough.

I still have to say, it shouldn't be that easy to game a Death Curse, "I kill myself and curse you before the fight even properly begins" and all that. But I don't actually know enough about DF Lore to see if that's a stretch or not.
It is. Wizards just generally arent suicidal, and there arent so many that you can expend them like popsicles.
Plus, death curses have tiers. Harry himself tanked a death curse one and half years ago from Quintus Cassius, and Cowl claims that he's walked off multiple death curses.

The efficacy of a death curse is determined by how brawny a wizard the curse user is, how powerful the target is relative to him, and the cleverness of the curse.
Simply blowing up a bunch of mortals? Probably easy. Trying to kill the Red King? Hard.

If you arent powerful enough to kill your target, trying to kill them with a death curse will fail.
So you have to get clever. Or indirect.
Or both.

See Maggie LeFay's death curse.
She was a powerful wizard, but her target, the White King, was too well protected for her to be able to kill him.

So instead her death curse wasnt aimed at killing him, which his defenses would have prevented, but instead stopped him from getting any nutrition from feeding, which crippled him magically and politically for several decades, and finally put him in position for his daughter to overthrow him. Which finally got him killed.

Took almost half a century, but happened.
Thats the kind of effect you can get from a clever wizard's death curse.
This guy is just trying to go for a megablast.
 
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I still have to say, it shouldn't be that easy to game a Death Curse, "I kill myself and curse you before the fight even properly begins" and all that. But I don't actually know enough about DF Lore to see if that's a stretch or not.
Is it really gaming if he actually dies? But yes I feel like you shouldn't be able to get a mind controlled person to do a death curse. I remember when this plot happened in the book and it was a plot point when one of the senior council was killed framing Morgan they didn't use their death curse. It was a long time ago that I read it which is why I don't bring it put, but I thought it was because you can't cast magic you don't generally feel so a death curse needs a whole lot of emotion behind it.
 
It all comes down to DF's f*cked up definition of Free Will, I think. Unless you are fully body jacked, I am fairly sure "being under unnatural mental influence" doesn't actually absolve you of guilt, because theoretically you can keep rolling 10s on Willpower rolls to resist.
 
Is it really gaming if he actually dies? But yes I feel like you shouldn't be able to get a mind controlled person to do a death curse. I remember when this plot happened in the book and it was a plot point when one of the senior council was killed framing Morgan they didn't use their death curse. It was a long time ago that I read it which is why I don't bring it put, but I thought it was because you can't cast magic you don't generally feel so a death curse needs a whole lot of emotion behind it.
It was a plot point that Senior Council member LaFortier did not use their death curse because they didnt want to.
They were confused about why the person who killed them was doing so.
 
Yes they do.
But not all of them have access to it. Else we couldnt have taken Shaw as we did when we did
Point being that whomever does have access to it will probably know what we're doing when we interact attack whomever is attached to that network right now. We tripped a wire when we took out the kid from before.
 
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Arc 14 Post 30: Shot and Echo
Shot and Echo

18th of February 2007 A.D.

There's a shriek of expanding air like static amplified ten thousand times next to your ear and the smell of balefire as the warlock tips over from his perch eyes still open but unseeing, smoke wafting from the back of his skull.

Olivia lowers her weapon slowly, looking down at her hands, almost like she's surprised how easy that had been and to be fair the wizards definitely are too and their faces show not a little worry, other than McCoy who hadn't even needed to look back, he snaps his fingers at the air with a smidge of Latin and grabs the technically still alive warlock by the back of the neck and sets him gently down at Tiffany's feet.

Olivia loses 2 Mana -> Now at 3/5

"What the..." Carlos starts.

"Brain shot," the old man explains. "Can't curse for crap if you black out, 'course that usually just means 'died too fast', we're lucky enough to have the lady's help."

He gives a very polite half bow. You get the sense that if he had a hat, lucky or otherwise he'd be doffing it about now.

Tiffany herself, hands covered in fresh blood returns a faint but sincere smile. "It usually takes a lot longer to get a wizard to sell their lives so cheaply..."

"How do you know how long it's been since he turned?" Carlos asks intently.

"How human he sounded," she answers offhandedly. "Despairing at one's own doom is the privilege of those who still value their own lives once you scratch the surface."

"Antonio Verdi," Morgan mutters under his breath, sorting the man in some kind of mental file and putting a stop to the conversation before your friend can creep out Carlos anymore. "How the fuck did they get him, for that matter why? In and out of the Halls most weeks, but he didn't have clearance for anything major...." The next words, whatever they may have been, die on his lips. "A messenger, someone who was known to have good reason to cross the wards at odd hours coming or going. That means the source is high enough up that they can't absent themselves easily, important enough to hand off hot information not just once, but regularly."

McCoy looks grim and sounds worse. "They have someone on the Senior Council."

Morgan hauls up the newly healed warlock and slams him against a wall. "Who is it! Tell me!"

The shock of being shot off the tower, healed and now finding himself in the hands of a very angry enemy must have been too much for Antonio because he blurts out: "Peabody." The one name among all others you had been most eager to reveal yet which would have been hardest to explain.

He looks at you and for just a moment meeting that sharp gaze you wonder if he had somehow figured you out, but no. He just assumes, that you must have some way to tell truth from lies or at the very least make a good guess.

"He's not lying."

"It was the stenographer ?" Carlos is the only one to give voice to his surprise. Under other circumstances you suspect Harry might have cracked a joke about it always being the butler.

Donald Morgan draws his sword.

The reasoning is sound you have to admit, you can't keep shedding escort to guard warlocks, not ones willing to unleash their death curses so lightly, but there is something fatalistic about it, more than just the well-earned conviction that he can deal with the curse as he had with many others over his long career.

What do you do?

[] Offer to kill the warlock yourself

[] Try to keep him alive for more through interrogation once you deal with the traitor inside the Halls even if it does mean shedding another pair of War Weavers

[] Put him in a coma under a lighter guard, for most Talents that would be more than secure enough, but a wizard's mind can be quite slippery, all the more so when it started to come undone

[] Write in


OOC: Welp Olivia's build just scared every wizard not named 'McCoy' present, also you know the Fallen Angel iteration but the girl with the gun is the more viscerally obvious threat
 
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We are calling him the warlock, but have we actually seen this guy breaking any of the laws or is it just a reasonable assumption?
 
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