Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We might want to be careful with that poison dust idea. It looks like the effects would work on the White Court and other entities. If word gets out that interacting with Molly will not only hurt you but bring magical ruin down upon you, that might be enought to get multiple vampire Courts acting against us in concert.

Remember the golden rule in Exalted is not 'can I do this?', it is 'will I like the consequences of doing this?'
It works on things that eat mortals, but has a clause for basically begging the god for a pass.

The stuff also doesn't have any effect outside of Mallko's territory because splendors like this key off of the owners presence. You can't export it or anything.

The reds are the prime power in that region so there shouldn't be a lot of other vamps around in the first place, but even if there are at a corporate level "don't go on the cursed land you weren't using anyway" isn't a huge provocation.
 
Are you wanting us to make the Hungry Earth Splendor or are you advocating for something else to be made right now? We have time for one Splendor and you presented the HE one for Mallko earlier but presented two more recently.
Sorry, scatter brained because I'm multitasking. I'm still not sure if this is supposed to be our only splendor action for the fortress or if we got an additional one from that roll. If this is our only one I think it should be a Hungry Earth variant. If it's an additional build I think there are good internal defense options.
 
Sorry, scatter brained because I'm multitasking. I'm still not sure if this is supposed to be our only splendor action for the fortress or if we got an additional one from that roll. If this is our only one I think it should be a Hungry Earth variant. If it's an additional build I think there are good internal defense options.
(You have the time to create one Splendor of up to ●●●)
For now that is what we have time for. If you want HE you should vote for it.
 
For now that is what we have time for. If you want HE you should vote for it.
Yeah, but we explicitly told this was a bonus from the roll for the fortress and the plan vote had a Mallko splendor in it. One we'd talk with him about first to make sure he's okay with using it. REH is only useful if he's the one applying the thing.

This could be it, but isn't quite right.

[X] Rich Earth's Hunger
[X] Rich Earth's Hunger v2
 
Yeah, but we explicitly told this was a bonus from the roll for the fortress and the plan vote had a Mallko splendor in it. One we'd talk with him about first to make sure he's okay with using it. REH is only useful if he's the one applying the thing.
The plan didn't have a Mallko Splendor in it. It said to start thinking about Splendors and the 'system text' says we have time for one Splendor. It seems to me that if we didn't roll well enough to create the spirit in one sitting we wouldn't have had time for any Splendor action at all on the rest of this one AP.
 
[X] Rich Earth's Hunger

Sometimes you need to be clever. Sometimes you need to reach across the chessboard before the first move has even been made, pick up a key piece on the other side, eat it, and grin. We were subtle. We are no longer subtle.

Molly is the friend of God who has negotiated terms with him, friend to both seasons, thief and burnisher of wicked things, maker and freer of kings, hunt-sister to the greatest eater of things that wear the faces of men, unbound by the laws of magic and yet one who might bind others, and so much else. Not making waves has long since stopped being an option unless we leave the confines of the world. Long years after this quest ends I suspect the Gates will be opened specifically so that our girl might leave because it can not bear her weight but, until then, subtlety is dead.
 
That.. isn't really a response to what I said? I'm not entirely sure how this would function either. Humans don't normally see magic and come to the conclusion that it's magic in Dresden Files. Like Daedalus.
It's a response to what you said because it explains how the protectionwould work. In order for Reds to attack our facilities Earthside, or to go through the portal they have to either recognize the portal and facilities themselves (i.e. be able to see a fort and say "yes, this is a fort, I should attack it"), or bomb the whole area. This covers the first vector of the attack. It leaves the second one (bomb the whole area) open, but that's for the second later of defenses. I'll rework the category that's being forgotten as "things other than native flora and fauna existing within the area of effect of the spelndor". It is, in essence, large scale area of effect ATP, basically. Only perfect, no saving throws and no resisting it.
acting on Mallko's presence
I don't understand what you mean, sorry.
I think the idea is that the flowers make the vampire forget that there is a base to attack whenever they wander in. Maybe
Yes, exactly. It prevents anyone affected (which extends to those seeing it from afar) from remembering that there's anything but normal mortal earth wilderness in the area.

Give me an hour or two, and I'll propose the plan for layered defenses.
 
I think I agree with other people here that this is not the time to be sneaky. The vampires already know the location of our base and most likely have ways of remembering where it is. So we need a different approach.
[X] Rich Earth's Hunger
 
Only perfect, no saving throws and no resisting it.
I knew what you said it'd do I'm just not seeing how that would matter much considering that the Reds have the portals location and know of it already and directed people to kamikaze us. It just seems underwhelming compared to the more proactive one that BronzeTongue made.

Also I think you need to get this approved by DP because we've had ATP fail on us before but you are saying that it'd be a perfect effect with no way to resist.

Give me an hour or two, and I'll propose the plan for layered defenses.
We only have time for a single Splendor. That's what the vote is for.
 
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I knew what you said it'd do I'm just not seeing how that would matter much considering that the Reds have the portals location and know of it already and directed people to kamikaze us. It just seems underwhelming compared to the more proactive one that BronzeTongue made.

Also I think you need to get this approved by DP because we've had ATP fail on us before but you are saying that it'd be a perfect effect with no way to resist.
How would reds attack us and the portal if, by being within a block or two of the portal, they forget that the portal exists, and cannot notice it when seeing it? They would know the area, yes. What next?

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We only have time for a single Splendor. That's what the vote is for.
It's to provide context. I am making my vote with full understanding that it's only the start of fortifications.
 
How would reds attack us and the portal if, by being within a block or two of the portal, they forget that the portal exists, and cannot notice it when seeing it? They would know the area, yes. What next?
The kamikaze tactic that they just tried for starters. Yog, I really think you should get DP's approval for a Splendor that in your own words would basically be ATP but non resistable and a perfect effect. Especially since we've seen our own ATP get no sold before when most thought it wasn't possible for it to be sidestepped the way it was.

When Degorium creates things that are legal he still ask to make sure it's balanced and sometimes DP tells his that it isn't and why.

It's to provide context. I am making my vote with full understanding that it's only the start of fortifications.
I'm not sure if doing that makes sense to be honest because any proposed plan like that isn't going to be carried out this Turn but feel free to make a detailed argument around one for what we are voting to do right now instead of months later I guess?
 
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How would reds attack us and the portal if, by being within a block or two of the portal, they forget that the portal exists, and cannot notice it when seeing it? They would know the area, yes. What next?
By typing a set of numbers on the keyboard of bombs that will fly to our base or to the flowers, yes. I'm sorry, but forgetfulness is too weak a power for a base. Especially when it's not the Fidelius from Harry Potter, but just a forgetfulness field around a point.
 
If you are going to ignore parts of my post am I actually obligated to continue this discussion?
You have several parts in your response: the proposal that Red Court can use kamikaze tactics, the request that I talk to DragonParadox about my proposal, and a comment about how long-term plan isn't relevant to the discussion now. The only part of your response I can talk to you about meaningfully right now is the first of those three. What else do you want me to reply to you about? When I get my layered defense plan ready, I'll post it, and ping DragonParadox to review it both as a whole and as separate proposals. That covers your second and third point. I can, however, keep discussing your first point with you while I am preparing the designs.
 
You have several parts in your response: the proposal that Red Court can use kamikaze tactics, the request that I talk to DragonParadox about my proposal, and a comment about how long-term plan isn't relevant to the discussion now. The only part of your response I can talk to you about meaningfully right now is the first of those three. What else do you want me to reply to you about? When I get my layered defense plan ready, I'll post it, and ping DragonParadox to review it both as a whole and as separate proposals. That covers your second and third point. I can, however, keep discussing your first point with you while I am preparing the designs.
You didn't disprove that they can use kamikaze tactics like the one they just tried. Which is the only part of my post you responded to. @Ivar gave another attack avenue example that would almost invalidate this hiding in plain sight Splendor.

Not everyone is on the same page as you. If you consistently read then ignore raised concerns people aren't going to know why you are doing that and they may not see a reason to continue dialogue if you're just ignoring parts of their own to pick at a single point.
 
You have several parts in your response: the proposal that Red Court can use kamikaze tactics, the request that I talk to DragonParadox about my proposal, and a comment about how long-term plan isn't relevant to the discussion now. The only part of your response I can talk to you about meaningfully right now is the first of those three. What else do you want me to reply to you about? When I get my layered defense plan ready, I'll post it, and ping DragonParadox to review it both as a whole and as separate proposals. That covers your second and third point. I can, however, keep discussing your first point with you while I am preparing the designs.
Yog, tell me, does Splendor erase records of our base, does it erase videos of our base, does it erase the memory of our base from people who have not visited the field around the base, does it erase geographical maps, does it protect against satellite surveillance, is it able to make people not come up with roundabout word games to talk about our base? And not only that, but can it influence computers? Does it make our base physically invisible from afar?
 
You didn't disprove that they can use kamikaze tactics like the one they just tried. Which is the only part of my post you responded to.
I will repreat myself. Kamikaze tactics how? What do you mean when you say "kamikaze tactics"? How would they be implemented? I cannot respond to your assertion without it being explained to me. I am not on the same page as you.
Yog, tell me, does Splendor erase records of our base, does it erase videos of our base, does it erase the memory of our base from people who have not visited the field around the base, does it erase geographical maps, does it protect against satellite surveillance, is it able to make people not come up with roundabout word games to talk about our base? And not only that, but can it influence computers? Does it make our base physically invisible from afar?
Satellite surveillance and real time observation through cameras it should work on. Viewing records afterwards, probably not. I am not sure why maps or records are relevant at all, because no records should exist at the moment. I am also unsure about what you mean about clever word games. Computers are probably an edge case.
 
I cannot respond to your assertion without it being explained to me. I am not on the same page as you.
As I said repeatedly. Like the one they just tried. Onscreen.
Satellite surveillance and real time observation through cameras it should work on.
Dude you really need this thing approved. They shouldn't even be in the splendors range at that point how is it going to affect long range means of observation? Unless your saying it's range would be planetary but then that brings me to this needing approval because that doesn't sound balanced from a single Splendor.
 
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