What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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[][Cretetri] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: Cretonia wishes for the restoration of their orbital defenses. The Fortress Initiative will handle such, but additional offers may be appreciated.)
So kinda happy with what they'd passively get, but we could add more to have more confidence.

Imho:
Explanation of fortress initiative and the raise of living standards they can expect. (Reminder: We are Pleasureworld levels. Comparable to middle-class in a rich country irl.) And guarantees to park a SGB until the Fortress Initiative did its work.

[][Hexe] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: Offers should first focus on more materialistic aid or exemptions from an (eventual) crackdown against their local branch of heresy. Offers of the latter may not be appreciated at home, though.)
And AP of aid?
[][Klybessan] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: We may be able to sway them by founding a new Order of Knights.)
New Order of Knights, sounds like a win win.
Probably need to plan in 1 AP to actually do it.

[][Piscariii's Fortress] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: Yes, the native Piscarians (Homo Sapiens Scutum) are Abhumans with enough mental maturity for consent with baseline humans. No, this does not mean that Thules get extra shore leave. If such requests mention the word "daddy," they get automatically rejected, along with a formal reprimand being delivered to the Thules in question.)
Ok. I'm sure the Thules would enjoy them. Yeeni too once the world is less imperium about Xeno. But what do they want?
What do we have to offer that is appealing to them?
A ride for the Piscarians to planets where they will be recognized as humans?
[][Lathysius] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: The people are heavily against expansions into the wilderness, and much of our efforts should take the route of technological aid and orbital colonies for the people to live in.)
1 AP of space stations?
 
[][Hexe] (Write-In)
(SIIC Note: Offers should first focus on more materialistic aid or exemptions from an (eventual) crackdown against their local branch of heresy. Offers of the latter may not be appreciated at home, though.)
This seems like the most trickiest to deal with due to the Shamans. I think they alone necessitate a Faith action to deal with so we can see if we can try incorporating their stuff or if we need to burn them at the stake. While those Not!Chaos Spawn are gnarly, they are made from Chaos Cultists so they might be our form of a Penitent Engine reserved for those who are too far gone to be redeemed through more traditional means.
 
For Lathysius, we could definitely start building orbital habitats to house them, but maybe we could also set up more regular communications between the planet and its people with our Choirs, somehow?

We could negotiate for some designated living areas, or see what the planet actually wants from its tenants.

Either way, having a sentient planet is one giant cool button.
 
(SIIC Note: Offers should first focus on more materialistic aid or exemptions from an (eventual) crackdown against their local branch of heresy. Offers of the latter may not be appreciated at home, though.)
So, what are the main heresies of the chamanistic creed actually?
Is it just a choir system that operates with different, more sacrificial melodies? Or is there more theological trouble.

For Lathysius, we could definitely start building orbital habitats to house them, but maybe we could also set up more regular communications between the planet and its people with our Choirs, somehow?
Could easily backfire though. The people believe the planet hates them, and they're (very reasonably) afraid that if we go poking too much, they'll attack us.

This seems like the most trickiest to deal with due to the Shamans. I think they alone necessitate a Faith action to deal with so we can see if we can try incorporating their stuff or if we need to burn them at the stake. While those Not!Chaos Spawn are gnarly, they are made from Chaos Cultists so they might be our form of a Penitent Engine reserved for those who are too far gone to be redeemed through more traditional means.
Park the Pantagruel in orbit, bring the shamans onboard, let the Starchild judge their purity?

Like, we have a tiny fragment of hte the divine, why not use it?
 
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Maybe if we do another action of void habitats for Voxx, we could do it in Lathysius and earmark half the space (or more?) for locals. Would also be a step towards the +1 VI.
 
Maybe if we do another action of void habitats for Voxx, we could do it in Lathysius and earmark half the space (or more?) for locals. Would also be a step towards the +1 VI.
Just swap the population.

People of Lathysius, don't you want to live on a planet that is 100% certainly totally, and utterly dead?
 
Could easily backfire though. The people believe the planet hates them, and they're (very reasonably) afraid that if we go poking too much, they'll attack us.
That's what the communications/negotiations are for, figuring out what the planet thinks of us. Worst case scenario, we start evacuating everyone and set them up somewhere else or in orbit, though I'm not sure how many people we're talking about.

Can't be that many after the Orks got to them, even though the planet did seem to help them resist.
 
Oh its nice to kill lots of orks, also perfect 1k words
Close. 999.
What's the total population here?
17 million. :V
Can we get a sense of how much expenditure is appropriate for each?
At most an Action for each world. But that is the uppermost extreme limit.
In order of what you proposed:
The Fortress Initiative has already been hard at work producing fortresses in your systems, that's what those stars in wheels are. Th proposal by SIIC would be just you going: "yeah, we'll rebuild your stuff no biggie."
Half an Action in material aid and letting a Heresy stand, or using an Action to deal with the Heresy by okay-ing their local heresy.
An Action to found the Order.
Below abstraction, so gucci.
Below abstraction, so gucci.
Neablis said:
1. How many actions is that? Seems like it could be at max 5ish, but that's too many for us to actually do. Can we consolidate the 'aid' actions for Hexe, Lathysius, Piscariii's Fortress & Cretetri to a single action?
2. If we do spend an entire action founding a new Knight Order on Klybessan (which would be cool) would there be a follow-up automation action for it to spread out and get multiple war-packs in a similar way to what happened with our first order? Or would it be more locked to the single world?
3. What other options am I missing? This seems like the most basic way to appease everybody, but do these things stand a good chance or am I not going far enough?
1. One-Two?
2. That would be subject to a Sub-vote. I'm partial to grabbing half of the first Order and then go from there in spheres of influence.
3. Stand good chance.
All jokes aside, is there something the Piscarians want, beside more or less Thules?
Be left alone to pray to the God-Emperor.
I think its more Thules want them which I don't know why Piscarians as a abhuman need some more info for us as players.
Here's a visual.
So, what are the main heresies of the chamanistic creed actually?
Is it just a choir system that operates with different, more sacrificial melodies? Or is there more theological trouble.
A bunch of stuff, most notably the Not-Quite-Chaos-Spawn, and a whole lot of theological differences that are basically nothing to the layperson but will spawn fistfights in the clergy.
 
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Any reason why we can't just expand the regular one?

We did pick "builds fortresses for recruitment all over the place" back when we founded it.
If I have to guess, it would be a matter of autonomy and cultural pride to have the honor of founding their own Knight Chapter.

In-Universe? Blazing Sun's getting big, and people may be interested in such a massive concentration of military power be shrunk from one set of hands to two.

Out-Of-Universe? New Order makes Dopamine go happy.
Yeah, I already got a possible name: The Order of the Obsidian Hammer (Black/Orange coloration)
 
Anyway, dealing with the Piscarians will be harder, I suspect.

Because both sides have been going at each other for a while. The Piscarians eagerly aiding the Imperium in doing purges of the less dogmatic pure human settlements, then local pure humans shooting back out of revenge, eagerly aided by racism and purges.
Do we pick a side?
Do we arm both and sweep up the ashes?
Do we just ignore the whole thing?
 
[][Hexe] Material Aid, and also a promise to not stamp out but work on synchronization the Creeds. Some bits are going to need to go (probably your psudeo-chaos spawn) but other bits are ok.
 
But what do they want?
What do we have to offer that is appealing to them?
A ride for the Piscarians to planets where they will be recognized as humans?
Go re-read "Hatred Yet Burns". Their whole ideology is to be such good Religious-fascists that future generations can un-Abhuman their souls.

They're Fanatical Dogmatics that happen to be Lizardmen.
 
For Lathysius could we also commit to the planet being a nature preserve/national park? As in banning construction beyond the currently settled areas and striving towards it being minimally settled?

It sounds like that's what the people living there want. While that means less industriy, living in harmony with what sounds like a world spirit probably has benefits.
 
For Lathysius could we also commit to the planet being a nature preserve/national park? As in banning construction beyond the currently settled areas and striving towards it being minimally settled?

It sounds like that's what the people living there want. While that means less industriy, living in harmony with what sounds like a world spirit probably has benefits.
And I'd also like to see if we could try communing with the planet itself, see if we can come to an accord with it and see how we can help each other.
 
[X] Plan Landgrab
-[X][Cretetri]
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Gurantee that defines Stations will be built here and technologies will be provided in order to sweeten the deal if the former is not enough.
-[X][Hexe]
--[X]
Material Aid will be granted in order to help with the recovery of the planet. With regards to the religion it will be investigated to see if it can be exempted or not.
-[X][Klybessan]
--[X]
Guarantee the founding of a new order of knights centered on Klybessan.
-[X][Piscariii's Fortress]
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Lay out the Federation approach to tolerating Abhumans and protecting citizens from one another, and provide details of peace-based enforcement. Also offer relocation assistance if the 'pure' humans wish to move to somewhere else.
-[X][Lathysius]
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Agree that this is justified and provide technological aid and construction of orbital habitats to allow the people of Lathysius to reduce their demands on their planet.

Edit: Here is a plan I guess. Honestly I don't do this but no one else is so
 
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Based on QM feedback I think we can do some more tweaking to these plans. I've got two options below, based on how we want to deal with Hexe. Of the two, I prefer the Plan: Real Estate Acquisition, Heresy Version

The Fortress Initiative has already been hard at work producing fortresses in your systems, that's what those stars in wheels are. Th proposal by SIIC would be just you going: "yeah, we'll rebuild your stuff no biggie."
Half an Action in material aid and letting a Heresy stand, or using an Action to deal with the Heresy by okay-ing their local heresy.
An Action to found the Order.
Below abstraction, so gucci.
Below abstraction, so gucci.

So we've got 5 worlds, and in order based on the QM's response:
Cretetri is easy. Point the Fortress Initiative at them.
Hexe is hard. Either we do a half-action of aid & let the Heresy stand, or we spend an action to deal with it properly in a proper faith action.
Klybessan we need to spend a whole action founding a new branch of Knights, but I think everybody agrees that's probably a good idea.
Piscariii's Fortress - easy but requires a good write-in and no action. Apparently you have a bunch of Abhumans who just want to continue worshipping big E and self-flagellating, and a bunch of racists who don't like them.
Lathysius - I don't think this requires an action? Or maybe half an action. We agree to build them void infastructure so they can move off the planet and it... happens? Like it does for every system, and aided along by the Fortress Initiative.

Therefore, we're on the hook for:
1. Finishing Fortress Initiative. We need to do that anyway.
2. Founding a new Knight Order. Probably a good idea, both for more Knights and to avoid the existing one from providing the majority of our combat power.
3. An action of Aid to help everybody rebuild, likely including aiding Hexe, Piscarii's Fortress pogrom protection & building VI for Lathysius.
4. OPTIONAL faith action to deal with the Hexian faith.

[X] Plan: Real Estate Acquisition, Faith Action
-[X][Cretetri]
--[X]
Guarantee that defense Stations will be built here and technologies will be provided in order to sweeten the deal if the former is not enough.
-[X][Hexe]
--[X] Guarantee a theological gathering to address the Hexian fath, and syncretize it with the Faith of the Star Child from which it is descended.
-[X][Klybessan]
--[X]
Guarantee the founding of a new order of knights centered on Klybessan.
-[X][Piscariii's Fortress]
--[X]
Lay out the Federation approach to tolerating Abhumans and protecting citizens from one another, and provide guarantees that the different communities will be protected from each other. Also offer relocation assistance if anybody wishes to move elsewhere.
-[X][Lathysius]
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Agree that this is justified and provide technological aid and construction of orbital habitats to allow the people of Lathysius to reduce their demands on their planet.

[X] Plan: Real Estate Acquisition, Heresy Version
-[X][Cretetri]
--[X]
Guarantee that defense Stations will be built here and technologies will be provided in order to sweeten the deal if the former is not enough.
-[X][Hexe]
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Material Aid will be granted in order to help with the recovery of the planet, but express the expectation that the local Faiths are expected to avoid true heresy.
-[X][Klybessan]
--[X]
Guarantee the founding of a new order of knights centered on Klybessan.
-[X][Piscariii's Fortress]
--[X]
Lay out the Federation approach to tolerating Abhumans and protecting citizens from one another, and provide guarantees that the different communities will be protected from each other. Also offer relocation assistance if anybody wishes to move elsewhere.
-[X][Lathysius]
--[X]
Agree that this is justified and provide technological aid and construction of orbital habitats to allow the people of Lathysius to reduce their demands on their planet.

I think I'm slightly more interested in the heresy version. It saves an action, and Cerberus should prevent anything really bad from happening.
 
Piscariii's Fortress - easy but requires a good write-in and no action. Apparently you have a bunch of Abhumans who just want to continue worshipping big E and self-flagellating, and a bunch of racists who don't like them.
As we've seen from Van Zandt, "worship Big E" is no small position to take. It's actively xenocidal, and glorifies sadistic extermination of any outgroup. We're getting a foot in the front door by being there to exterminate Orks, but our willingness to work with aliens means we're Heretics.

If the Piscarii aren't treated like Fanatical Dogmatic Leadership and needing significant effort to convert them akin to the Dutchy, we're probably going to get burned. In terms of action economic efficiency, it may be better to just let them have no ships and just live on the planet however they want.
 
@HeroCooky, do we know if Orks remain on Gigachad, and if so what their current status is?

Secondly, assuming that the Orks are or have been eliminated, could we use Gigachad as a resettlement candidate for Voxx Prime migration, provided the environment hasn't been significantly damaged to the point of needing rehabilitative terraforming?
 
@HeroCooky, do we know if Orks remain on Gigachad, and if so what their current status is?

Secondly, assuming that the Orks are or have been eliminated, could we use Gigachad as a resettlement candidate for Voxx Prime migration, provided the environment hasn't been significantly damaged to the point of needing rehabilitative terraforming?
Firstly; you have eliminated what Orks you can, but you have likely missed some Orks due to not having any people on Gigachad's planets to continue killing their spores foe a few decades.
Secondly; You can very much do so.
 
3. An action of Aid to help everybody rebuild, likely including aiding Hexe, Piscarii's Fortress pogrom protection & building VI for Lathysius.
I don't think we need to do an action for that. This stuff is kinda below the abstraction of an action for a polity of our size. Even if we wanted to build enough space stations to house the entire population of Lathysius, they only have a max of 17 million people. When with a dedicated action we can make enough space stations to house 20 billion people, 17 million is nothing
1. Finishing Fortress Initiative. We need to do that anyway.
Actually, we already got the Fortress Initiative done right before the war against the Orkz. So they're already good as is.
 
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