I'll be honest and say I'm half assing the URC response. I don't have good ideas.
Hmm, thinking about it, maybe a combination of:
-A major propaganda offensive into the URC about the need for unity in the face of Federated Suns aggression, subtly emphasizing the role the Neo-Jacobins have played in complicating that.
-Infiltration of the Neo-Jacobins to create opportunities in future turns by worming our way into their organization.
-Investigation into the Neo-Jacobins for understanding of why the negotiations broke down and if there is some darker cause than simple incompatibility of ideologies.
-Something that makes use of the amount of soft and hard power the Helghan Republic and the ORDI as a whole has over the URC. Maybe increasing our garrisons in the URC.

We're already doing the 3rd, but the 2nd would be useful for dismantling or taming the Neo-Jacobins across future turns if we have their organization well-infiltrated.

But whatever the case, I feel that the issues within the URC are urgent enough that we can't afford to half-ass things. Things in the URC falling apart to the point where large sections get booted out would be handing the Federated Suns a massive propaganda and material victory and undo a lot of the gains from the Outback War.
 
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Hmm, thinking about it, maybe a combination of:
-A major propaganda offensive into the URC about the need for unity in the face of Federated Suns aggression, subtly emphasizing the role the Neo-Jacobins have played in complicating that.
-Infiltration of the Neo-Jacobins to create opportunities in future turns by worming our way into their organization.
-Investigation into the Neo-Jacobins for understanding of why the negotiations broke down and if there is some darker cause than simple incompatibility of ideologies.
-Something that makes use of the amount of soft and hard power the Helghan Republic and the ORDI as a whole has over the URC. Maybe increasing our garrisons in the URC.

We're already doing the 3rd, but the 2nd would be useful for dismantling or taming the Neo-Jacobins across future turns if we have their organization well-infiltrated.

But whatever the case, I feel that the issues within the URC are urgent enough that we can't afford to half-ass things. Things in the URC falling apart to the point where large sections get booted out would be handing the Federated Suns a massive propaganda and material victory and undo a lot of the gains from the Outback War.
I agree, on the face of things, it would be a big setback if they were put out the back door. It would also be looked at askance by the other groups. Wondering what they might do to cause us to cut them out of the rebuilding and support at a crucial time and damage our humanitarian image-- there are still innocent people living on those Jacobin worlds.
 
Feel free suggest detailed solutions for the URC, guys. And I mean bullet points to define the specifics for how to deal with them.
 
Hmm, what about:
--[ ] Commence a major propaganda operation across the URC, criticizing the Neo-Jacobins for their actions as jeopardizing the entire URC by throwing reconstruction plans into chaos and refusing to compromise with other parts of the URC despite the Federated Suns still remaining a threat.
--[ ] Infiltrate the Neo-Jacobins of the URC.
as potential options. @prometheus110 Would the first be a valid option, and if so, would it require Influence or could have its effects bolstered by influence?
 
@Forgothrax @Chimeraguard @abominable @Genolution

[ ] In the URC, attempt to bring the Neo-Jacobins to a compromise one more time. Also, use Republic Intelligence agencies to determine if there are some sort of shady dealings occurring, and to aid negotiations / following decisions in the months to come if it doesn't go well or complications arise.
-[ ] Appeal to them through a shared history of revolution. The Helghan Republic transformed from a fascist dictatorship into what it is today, and not all at once, but through a series of compromises from disparate groups who all had wildly different ideologies, about what sort of state they should be. Is it satisfying to all parties? No, and the Republic's politics surely indicates as such--it's likely the only reason the URC worlds are free today is because of a dramatic sea change in Republic politics led to a much greater expenditure of lives and resources. Yet prosper the Republic does.
-[ ] So what does that mean for the URC? For the Neo-Jacobins and the Marxists and the Maoists? Even in their own parties, they've yet room for growth and change. For compromise. So compromise.
-[ ] Convince them to join everyone at the table again, and work out the least of evils to find 'good enough'. The people are suffering from a lack of access to power, job opportunities, a roof over their heads, goods and services, education, and healthcare, security from the predations of pirates, and even the Federated Suns they've just so recently cast out of their homes. The Republic and ORDI are still helping, but they can't do it all on their own. So the URC should try to coexist. To see that they have more in common as people who have struggled against an unjust regime than as opponents in a political arena, all concerned with the well-being of their people.
 
Well, trying one more conference is an option, but we've already tried that last turn and it just fell through. If we do another conference, I think we need a stick to leverage as well as the carrot.

Also, I imagine for different things (conference, infiltrating the Neo-Jacobins, investigating the Neo-Jacobins) are going to require their own AP costs instead of being slotted under one action. Or if we can slot them all into one AP, we probably shouldn't, since that's spreading the effort thin and I think we need to make sure each action gets a serious commitment of resources.
 
Or if we can slot them all into one AP, we probably shouldn't, since that's spreading the effort thin and I think we need to make sure each action gets a serious commitment of resources.
Nah, I mean Prom said that if he allows you to slot it under one AP (due to being related enough to count) there's no benefit whatsoever to dumping two or more AP on it.
 
I doubt that'll be allowed though. Setting up a major diplomatic conference for the political parties of the URC is very different from launching covert operations with our spies to investigate the Neo-Jacobins.
 
@prometheus110 What's the current status of any garrisons or security troops we have in the URC, and the legality for dispatching more into the URC? I feel we're going to want more boots on the ground to either prevent things from getting bloody, or minimize the damage if they do anyway, and I want to know how much more we can push troops in.
 
@prometheus110 What's the current status of any garrisons or security troops we have in the URC, and the legality for dispatching more into the URC? I feel we're going to want more boots on the ground to either prevent things from getting bloody, or minimize the damage if they do anyway, and I want to know how much more we can push troops in.
They were spared the equipment looting since they're on the border with the Federated Suns, but getting steadily more bored as the days pass and nothing happens.

Legally speaking, your occupation is in a grey zone since they aren't recognized as a nation by anyone but you yet (which reminds me that I need to have the FAS recognized by outside parties)
 
To be clear, we've been fighting the Clans around what's left of Rasalhague space for the past year in game; four war turns or so. In case you haven't read them yet, we've been fighting the Clans since the start of the January 3049 war turn, we're just feeding more and more ORDI troops into the frontlines. Just to check, how far have you read?
Well I know we have troops for the operation and said operation is against the clans but because of how much pages there are and the amount of posts within those pages it's very difficult for me to keep track of what's happening especially with my lack of appearance during this whole event.
 
Here's my idea for two additional URC actions:
--[ ] Commence a major propaganda operation across the URC, emphasizing the need for cooperation in order to properly rebuild and protect themselves from future Federated Suns aggression, and criticize the Neo-Jacobins for their refusal to do so with the Marxists as interfering with the reconstruction process.
--[ ] Infiltrate the Neo-Jacobins of the URC.
Thoughts for the language of the first?
 
Here's my idea for two additional URC actions
There might be a problem with the propaganda action in the URC. We attempted something similar during the previous war turns but failed because we lacked access to the general population likely because we don't actually control any news networks in the URC. So if we want to do this we likely have to buy out at least one news network and use them to spread our propaganda.

Also @Forgothrax even if we end up cutting out the Jacks maybe we should still continue to support them to prevent them from immediately running back to the Feds. At them moment they still despise how the Feds are being governed so we can stoke animosity while continuing to support them (potentially also infiltrating them to keep people who want to go back to the Feds out of the line light).
 
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Hmm, so maybe something like this?

[ ] Set up a major media presence across the URC, allowing the Helghan Republic to both get a better idea on the course of public opinion across the URC and provide levers for which to influence it.

@prometheus110 Is an action like this possible? And if so, would it cost money or influence, and how much?
 
Hmm, so maybe something like this?
Looks good to me though also keep the other things you suggested, we do want the jacks to return to the negotiating table afterall. Besides that may have to repost Forgo's plan with the URC changes though as he is really silent at the moment (both here and in the discord) so it's likely real life has him busy again.
 
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Hmm, so maybe something like this?

[ ] Set up a major media presence across the URC, allowing the Helghan Republic to both get a better idea on the course of public opinion across the URC and provide levers for which to influence it.

@prometheus110 Is an action like this possible? And if so, would it cost money or influence, and how much?
You can do that action, yeah. I will also add that it's important to remember that these aren't modern Liberal democracies where people's media consumption exists at a remove from political parties. All such groups operate (or operated) their own media organs.
 
Yeah, the more I hear, the less I like the current plan. The Neo-Jacobins already are noted to have a very pro-FedSuns stance, they just have a very different idea on what the FedSuns should look like. Ejecting them I think will just result in the FedSuns retaking all those Jacobin worlds.
How the hell are they pro sun weren't they the first to revolt and start killing suns and sabotaging industry?
 
How the hell are they pro sun weren't they the first to revolt and start killing suns and sabotaging industry?
They want a powerful FedSuns, they just want the powerful FedSuns to be one they're in charge of, not the nobles. The name is telling; like the original Jacobins, they are the heralds of what can be thought of as the first rumblings of revolutionary liberalism in the Inner Sphere, and it was liberalism that led to the rise of nationalism as it was liberalism that allowed states to become sufficiently complex that they were something that you could actually be nationalistic for. The original Jacobins similarly also fought French nobles and peasant rebels, but they still wanted a powerful France. Just one they ruled.
 
Well, hopefully infiltration of the Jacobins will let us do something about their media organs if worst comes to worst. So, here's my current plan draft.

[X] Plan Homefront Focus
-[X] Accept ComStar's offer at Tier 3 with the following caveat: as a part of their payment, they will assist us with our command circuit logistics.
--[X] If the caveat is unacceptable to ComStar, agree to the Tier 2 offer instead.
-[X] Speed the Wolves Along
--[X] Taurian Concordat [-5 influence]
-[X] AP Actions
Trinity League
--[X] Republic Planetary Militia
URC
--[X] Set up a major media presence across the URC, allowing the Helghan Republic to both get a better idea on the course of public opinion across the URC and provide levers for which to influence it.
--[X] Infiltrate the Neo-Jacobins of the URC.
--[X] Task our intelligence agencies with investigating the Jacobins and determining if there's something shady causing all this.
Other
--[X] Establish a continuing effort to provide propaganda relating to the Clan war effort (lock 1 AP to propaganda)
--[X] Expand our spy satellite network in Clan occupied space
--[X] Operation Santiago Phase 5 Objectives
---[X] Send two squadrons (6) Nocti (ideally B-refits) to replace the damaged Noctis and fill the naval cap. Add additional Nocti if ConStar's efforts increase our naval cap any further. Add more Commissars as it becomes possible to do so, rotating non-shielded ones out for shielded refits. Replace Clarion Call with a fresh MAWLR-II from Helghan and return her to Helghan for repairs. Deploy the two MAWLR-IIs forward deployed on Tsitsang. Fill our remaining cap, including whatever capacity ComStar provides as part of our deal, with divisions, starting by deploying the rest of Fourth Division.
---[X] Utilizing both ground and naval reinforcements, as well as what units in theater already that can be spared from holding the line, and as many elements of the Dragoons as we can get, engage Clan Wolf with the intent of forcing the Wolves back from their salient closing in on Fort Loudon. Our goal is to secure the FRR-LC border worlds currently held by Clan Wolf from Rasalgethi to Laurent, running as far west as Benfled.
---[X] Remaining units within the FRR are to continue to hold the Gunzberg line. Naval units are to raid enemy shipping and assist in holding the line.
---[X] Offer additional WS to the DC if they are willing to support them. Request if possible that our WS be deployed to attack Snow Raven holdings.
-[X] Requisition
--[X] Primitive Pulse Laser Systems:
--[X] Jekyll&Hyde
--[X] HSA-50 'Gunzburg' Gauss-Powered LMG
--[X] HTBA-01 Battle Armor

As the name suggests, this one puts a maximal focus on addressing the homefront issues of the Trinity League and the URC.

In the Trinity League, I think it's important that we start establishing what exactly our goal is in the Trinity League, especially if we're gonna start setting up planetary militias. And unless I've completely misread things, our overall goal with the Trinity League is annexation. Best to set the record straight on that so we can push activities that will result in that end now instead of having to catch up later.

Meanwhile, in the URC I'm focused on building ourselves up for activity next turn, setting up a major media presence while also infiltrating the Neo-Jacobins themselves, and a separate action for investigating the activities of the Neo-Jacobins to discover if they've got darker motivations for their actions.

This has left only 2 AP for other activities, which I've spent building up the spy satellite network in Clan space, and Operation Santiago itself.

This does mean a bunch of other projects like the Battle Armour Factory aren't being done, but I think it's worth it. With the ilKhan dead, the Clans are currently in chaos, which leaves this as the best opportunity we have to get our own backyard in order so that we're not distracted when they do come back in full force. Meanwhile, letting the URC deteriorate would be a disaster that gives the FedSuns an easy propaganda win of "look what happens when you leave us for ORDI."

I'm wondering if the Clan Spy Satellite Network could be exchanged for a 4th action in the URC about continuing to try and get the parties to the negotiating table, but with how prior attempts have been dismal failures, I'm not sure how useful that would be and don't really know how to word it.

EDIT: Swapped Fate of the Trinity League to propaganda after clarification and arguments for what the action actually entails is something we're not ready for.
 
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They want a powerful FedSuns, they just want the powerful FedSuns to be one they're in charge of, not the nobles. The name is telling; like the original Jacobins, they are the heralds of what can be thought of as the first rumblings of revolutionary liberalism in the Inner Sphere, and it was liberalism that led to the rise of nationalism as it was liberalism that allowed states to become sufficiently complex that they were something that you could actually be nationalistic for. The original Jacobins similarly also fought French nobles and peasant rebels, but they still wanted a powerful France. Just one they ruled.
Well to fuckin bad the suns will remember what they did during the war especially the nationalists and will give the Jacks to them to rip apart.
 
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