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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Bohnenpflanzer said:
I´m a bit suprised how many here are arguing about guest rights and the look of things and supposed loss of trustworthiness of the White Court. All supernaturals in Dresden Files, including the White Council, are rule lawyers extraordinaire. If you have a 100% safe binding agreement than you are safe. If not, if the tiniest loophole exists, they will (ab)use it to screw you over. This is nothing particulary suprising or new. That is how the game has been played for millenia. Remember the ridiculous Casus Belli the Red Court used to declare war agaisnt the White Council?
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All supernaturals can be rules lawyers. Including wizards.
Some people/factions have a reputation for treachery, like the Red Court and the Fomor. Others, like the svartalfar and Odin's people, dont, and indeed have a reputation for being vindictive towards anyone who try to exploit them in that way.

TheGrape said:
Yeah, the biggest sets of international law in the supernatural world have "there is no spirit of the law, only the letter" as one of its laws. Customs like guest rights matter, but note that power matters far more; even when the Formor tried to bomb the signing of a non-aggression pact between the Fomor and Svartaelves, Etri only killed the guy doing it rather than declared war (probably because he knew by themselves the Svartaelves would've been roflstomped. Probably why he even agreed to the pact in the first place, so they wouldn't get shitstomped by the strongest supernatural faction in the world)

In the end if you have the power to deal with the consequences, you can do anything. And given Lara has both political power from her machinations and martial power in the implied control over two Exalts to kill her enemies, I think this night will only strengthen her hold over the White Court.
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1)Spirit of the law absolutely exists.
Its not enforceable, but it does exist, and people do pay attention to who does, and doesnt follow it. We only see that saying used as an excuse when someone is trying to justify screwing you, and its always the most egregious offenders who do so.

Similarly, custom exists with almost the force of law.


2) Point of order:
They didnt declare war because it was that particular sorcerer's bright idea, and there was no indication it was part of a greater Fomor plot. They just broke off the treaty instead. For all we know the Fomor paid restitution offscreen to keep the svartalfar neutral.

And given that the Fomor were explicitly already fighting a war(that they started) with the White Council, the White Court and Marcone at this time, they couldnt exactly afford to add another faction of hostiles to that bill at the time.
Especially with the Fae Courts historically hostile.

bengalqueen said:
Okay, can we stop with the long detail of whether the NPC's actions are a good move from their perspective or not, especially since the QM seems thoroughly convinced not to change it, and instead focus on how we are going to respond? Mainly, the vote? Combat strategies?

We are within 2 updates of open combat with results determined partially by the current vote. Arguing about the political implications of that combat is something that can wait until after we have decided on strategy.
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Its not particularly complex IMO.

DONT activate the active form of Windborn Stride.
Molly is fighting with a slower, less tanky partner, which limits her ability to zip around the hall at speed. Besides, Molly's base speed at the moment is 32 yards/second, which means she can move 48 yards and return to her starting position inside the same combat turn. There's no need to spend 1m to make it 110 yards/second.

DO activate Mind Hand Manipulation
If we cant go to them, we can bring them to us. Grapple and yank them closer to be stabbed. Or pick them up and Puny God them.
Or just use it as a direct strike weapon to pop heads; its line of sight. Plus, if we need to move, it allows us to carry Lydia while doing so.

DONT activate Shintai
Im still expecting an interrupt by the skinwalkers, or whoever/whatever external backers that the Skavis Heir put together.
So keeping something in reserve might be worth the trouble

CONSIDER reactivating Hellscry Chakra
Thats a lesson from our encounter with the skinwalker: It can see Creatures of Darkness using magic to hide their presence.
If there's anyone who activates veils or some similar vampire Discipline, it should guarantee picking them up.

So basically
During speech: ATB(1m) + Occult Excellency(?1m) + Hellscry(1m)
Turn 0 Combat: Steelskin(1m) + IPM(1wp) + MHM(1m) + Melee Excellency(1m). Pop shield and sword.
Turn 1 Combat: VLE(1m) + murder
Total: 7m, 1wp

If we use Hellscry on Lord Raith before focusing on Madrigal, we probably regen 2m from uncovering a supernatural secret.
Which will bring net expenditure to 5m,1wp

Lydia just pops Hunters Eye + Dex Excellency (total 1m) and starts shooting.
She could activate Chariots of the Earth for mobility, but she already spent 1-3m so far, and her entire pool is 7/7m.
Cant afford it.
 
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uju32 said:
All supernaturals can be rules lawyers. Including wizards.
Some people/factions have a reputation for treachery, like the Red Court and the Fomor. Others, like the svartalfar and Odin's people, dont, and indeed have a reputation for being vindictive towards anyone who try to exploit them in that way.


1)Spirit of the law absolutely exists.
Its not enforceable, but it does exist, and people do pay attention to who does, and doesnt follow it. We only see that saying used as an excuse when someone is trying to justify screwing you, and its always the most egregious offenders who do so.

Similarly, custom exists with almost the force of law.


2) Point of order:
They didnt declare war because it was that particular sorcerer's bright idea, and there was no indication it was part of a greater Fomor plot. They just broke off the treaty instead. For all we know the Fomor paid restitution offscreen to keep the svartalfar neutral.

And given that the Fomor were explicitly already fighting a war(that they started) with the White Council, the White Court and Marcone at this time, they couldnt exactly afford to add another faction of hostiles to that bill at the time.
Especially with the Fae Courts historically hostile.


Its not particularly complex IMO.

DONT activate the active form of Windborn Stride.
Molly is fighting with a slower, less tanky partner, which limits her ability to zip around the hall at speed. Besides, Molly's base speed at the moment is 32 yards/second, which means she can move 48 yards and return to her starting position inside the same combat turn. There's no need to spend 1m to make it 110 yards/second.

DO activate Mind Hand Manipulation
If we cant go to them, we can bring them to us. Grapple and yank them closer to be stabbed. Or pick them up and Puny God them.
Or just use it as a direct strike weapon to pop heads; its line of sight. Plus, if we need to move, it allows us to carry Lydia while doing so.

DONT activate Shintai
Im still expecting an interrupt by the skinwalkers, or whoever/whatever external backers that the Skavis Heir put together.
So keeping something in reserve might be worth the trouble

CONSIDER reactivating Hellscry Chakra
Thats a lesson from our encounter with the skinwalker: It can see Creatures of Darkness using magic to hide their presence.
If there's anyone who activates veils or some similar vampire Discipline, it should guarantee picking them up.

So basically
During speech: ATB(1m) + Occult Excellency(?1m) + Hellscry(1m)
Turn 0 Combat: Steelskin(1m) + IPM(1wp) + MHM(1m) + Melee Excellency(1m). Pop shield and sword.
Turn 1 Combat: VLE(1m) + murder
Total: 7m, 1wp

If we use Hellscry on Lord Raith before focusing on Madrigal, we probably regen 2m from uncovering a supernatural secret.
Which will bring net expenditure to 5m,1wp

Lydia just pops Hunters Eye + Dex Excellency (total 1m) and starts shooting.
She could activate Chariots of the Earth for mobility, but she already spent 1-3m so far, and her entire pool is 7/7m.
Cant afford it.
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I think we should prioritize MHM over Hellscry here. Combat isn't the time to be banking on long shot essence regen and when Molly's anima is up she gets a surprise negator and the ability to see through any magical stealth anyway.

HC's primary advantages aren't really relevant here.

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Also, Lydia's spirit killer applies here, so as long as she focuses down her targets she should be fine mote wise.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I think we should prioritize MHM over Hellscry here. Combat isn't the time to be banking on long shot essence regen and when Molly's anima is up she gets a surprise negator and the ability to see through any magical stealth anyway.
HC's primary advantages aren't really relevant here.
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New scene, new opportunity for Essence regen. And Lord Raith is an obvious glaring mystery box to look at.

And like I said, we want a clean sweep, we dont need any of the target group getting out under Obfuscate or a fetish-cast veil or something similar. Especially since its canon that Madrigal Raith had access to stuff like antimagic bracers and antimagic handcuffs in canon, suggesting that the conspirators, being high nobility, may as well.
 
uju32 said:
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New scene, new opportunity for Essence regen. And Lord Raith is an obvious glaring mystery box to look at.

And like I said, we want a clean sweep, we dont need any of the target group getting out under Obfuscate or a fetish-cast veil or something similar. Especially since its canon that Madrigal Raith had access to stuff like antimagic bracers and antimagic handcuffs in canon, suggesting that the conspirators, being high nobility, may as well.
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It's a waste of time and essence when both are precious.

I'm pretty confident they can't defeat our anima power any more than they can blind the crown of eyes, and if they can they certainly would be able to block the much lesser effect of HC. Which we just saw get partially blocked in the last scene anyway, suggesting it's a lot less absolute in some regards than an exalt's core abilities and more potent charms.

I'm also highly skeptical of the idea that we can get secrets from HC like this without taking some time to really look at the target and process things, which is another time sink of its own. We don't want to be splitting our focus at a time like this.
 
BronzeTongue said:
It's a waste of time and essence when both are precious.

I'm pretty confident they can't defeat our anima power any more than they can blind the crown of eyes, and if they can they certainly would be able to block the much lesser effect of HC. Which we just saw get partially blocked in the last scene anyway, suggesting it's a lot less absolute in some regards than an exalt's core abilities and more potent charms.

I'm also highly skeptical of the idea that we can get secrets from HC like this without taking some time to really look at the target and process things, which is another time sink of its own. We don't want to be splitting our focus at a time like this.
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1) A surprise negator reveals attacks on us. It doesnt warn us of attacks on other people, or attempts to escape under stealth. It doesnt distinguish if, say, someone has magic making other people look like him so he can escape in the confusion(Obfuscate 3 Mask of a Thousand Faces, Obfuscate 6 Mask of Janus, Obfuscate 6 Manifold Guise).

Given as we have a partner to watch out for, and that one of the aims of this exercise is to pull off a clean sweep rather than have to spend time running down hostiles, the expense is worth it.

2)The effect we saw prevented us seeing details of their aura.
It didnt prevent us detecting them in the first place. Any more than the skinwalker's naagloshii-engineered skills prevented HC from detecting him when we activated it.

3)Furthermore, worst case we're still running around with 8/15m of Essence, which is only a little below 60% of our current pool.
 
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uju32 said:
1) A surprise negator reveals attacks on us. It doesnt warn us of attacks on other people, or attempts to escape under stealth. It doesnt distinguish if, say, someone has magic making other people look like him so he can escape in the confusion(Obfuscate 3 Mask of a Thousand Faces, Obfuscate 6 Mask of Janus, Obfuscate 6 Manifold Guise).

Given as we have a partner to watch out for, and that one of the aims of this exercise is to pull off a clean sweep rather than have to spend time running down hostiles, the expense is worth it.

2)The effect we saw prevented us seeing details of their aura.
It didnt prevent us detecting them in the first place. Any more than the skinwalker's naagloshii-engineered skills prevented HC from detecting him when we activated it.

3)Furthermore, worst case we're still running around with 8/15m of Essence, which is only a little below 60% of our current pool.
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The way it's played so far we can straight up see through invisibility. That's how it worked for the Akuma fight.

I see no reason why a full stealth effect couldn't conceal an aura. Not being able to do that would be a fatal weakness if aura sensing abilities are common.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The way it's played so far we can straight up see through invisibility. That's how it worked for the Akuma fight.

I see no reason why a full stealth effect couldn't conceal an aura. Not being able to do that would be a fatal weakness if aura sensing abilities are common.
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I mean I wouldn't say their common a wizard sure as hell isn't using the sight whenever then since it can cause insanity or even brain oozing if its too up there. That or just you know permanent stress at the back of your mind.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The way it's played so far we can straight up see through invisibility. That's how it worked for the Akuma fight.

I see no reason why a full stealth effect couldn't conceal an aura. Not being able to do that would be a fatal weakness if aura sensing abilities are common.
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You are misremembering.
During the Akuma fight, the Will of Kakuri was using a pretty basic effect: invisible to people without magical senses.
DragonParadox said:
How do you fight?
Will of Kakuri known protections
  • Armor of Bone and Shadow (Can Soak Usum's flames)
  • It is invisible to anyone without magical senses (Base DC to notice him would 11; Molly made the DC5 check)
  • Fortune turns in his favor (-1 DC to all his rolls)
  • The Sword cuts more than flesh (Does Aggravated damage)
Gard is currently attempting to strip the invisibility so your allies can actually hit him
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We did, so we could see him, and we still had to make a DC 5 check, or we would be fighting blind.
Those who didnt couldnt.
 
Have we actually seen anything trick the sight in canon? The sights pretty bullshit in all honesty its biggest downside is overload, too traumatic, and a normal person can't really keep it on forever without big consequences.
 
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[X]Plan Exit Light
-[X]Take a look at Lord Raith's aura with Hellscry Chakra +All Things Betray + Occult Excellency up
-[X][Molly] Stick close to Madrigal, as the only Raith in the conspiracy it would be particularly problematic if he were to escape
-[X][Lydia] Watches the Skavis delegation
-[X]Buff Cycle: Molly: 7m, 1wp. Lydia: 1m
--[X]Molly speech: All Things Betray(1m) + Occult Excellency(1m) + Hellscry Chakra(1m)
--[X]Turn 0 Combat: Steelskin(1m) + IPM(1wp) + MHM(1m) + Melee Excellency(1m). Activate shield + sword + anima.
--[X]Turn 1 Combat: VLE(1m) + murder
--[X]Lydia speech: Flawless Hunters Eye: 1m
--[X]Lydia Turn 0: Dexterity Excellency: 1m
-[X]STUNT: You spend several moments staring at the White King as he takes the stage, your perceptions sharpening in sequence as you try to make sense of what you're seeing, before a wordless prompt from Usum returns your attention to the rest of the room. You lean over as if to whisper in her ear, serving as cover for your tracing out a message on her skin, then relax back into your seat, taking care not to tip the champagne bucket of half-melted ice over. Not long now.


EXPENSE
Molly: 7m, 1wp
Lydia: 2m

EFFECTS
Molly
All Things Betray: -3 DC to Perception rolls. +Perception to Initiative rolls
Hellscry Chakra: See auras.
IPM: Scenelong immunity to thought and emotion magic
Occult Excellency: 3/3 turns or 3 minutes
VLE ?
Steelskin ?

Lydia
Hunter's Eye: -2DC to Perception rolls


STATUS
Molly
Essence 8/15m
Willpower 6/9 WP
HP 11/11
Soak 4/4 (Steelskin+VLE bonus to be determined)

Lydia
Essence 4/7m
Willpower 5/5 WP
HP 11/11
Soak 2/2 ?(Armor unknown)


RATIONALE
Lara specifically asked that we make sure of Madrigal. Over the Skavis delegation.
Which suggests she knows something she isnt telling.
Which may have some connection to that lesser skinwalker we left her with.

Given that Madrigal is the only person here we know for sure who has some sort of connection to the skinwalker crew that we know has been hanging around the Raith Estate(because no, I dont think its coincidence that it was the husband of the agent he recruited who first got assaulted, then killed by Broken Seeker), he takes priority.

Lydia can keep watch on the Skavis delegation in turn; Lara probably have people watching them, so she's just backup.


Sparing half a dozen seconds to look at Lord Raith with Hellscry Chakra + All Things Betray + Occult Excellency should proc enough information to trigger Essence regen.
Especially since we need to have those up anyway.

Even if that doesnt count, we are about to get into a seriousface fight with some Whampire nobility; someone's gonna show a trump card or two.
 
[X] uju32

I'd be surprised if Lara didn't add some other enemies of hers to the list.
If she has to justify a massacre anyway she might as well kill those who would question her the most on that.
 
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But this is not a large centralized state, this is a hidden clan or people eaters whose leadership is trying to centralize it, this is the messy part between and Molly is the catalyst.
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I'm not sure to take this as an absolute fact, since it was written deep in the night, but if that's what's going on, great.

The more centralised the power is, the fewer people we have to use our social skills and the implicit threat of terrible violence that is our very nature.
We can, eventually, control the White Court.
 
[x] uju32

The only issue I have here is that we don't really need to look at Lord Raith, I would rather spend more effort looking at Madrigal and other conspirators to see if any of them are nemesis-tainted.
 
Artemis1992 said:
[X] uju32

I'd be surprised if Lara didn't add some other enemies of hers to the list.
If she has to justify a massacre anyway she might as well kill those who would question her the most on that.
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I sincerely doubt that for two reasons

1)When you are cultivating a new maybe ally of convenience?
You dont use them as a patsy if you hope to get any aid out of them again. Especially when they have demonstrated evidence of unknown but pretty far-ranging information gathering powers.


2)The Vampire Courts most powerful members tend to be on the older side; experience accumulated over hundreds of years, or descendants of particular bloodlines. This incidentally is where a significant portion of the conspirators are drawn from: the White King's nephew, the heir of House Skavis, et cetera.

Each person killed here diminishes the White Court as a whole against external enemies, and makes them individually and collectively less secure. And the world is a dangerous place right now, even for Whamps.

There is a supernatural world war going on for the last four years, with WMD use on both sides.
Two Fae Queens have been Nfected by Nemesis in the last six years. Necromancers almost blew up Chicago.
There has been a naagloshii and its coven stalking the Raith estate for weeks or months now.

Add to this the fact that the Whampires replace losses almost as slowly as wizards do.
They arent Reds or Blacks who just have to go out and bite people, then wait for nature to take its course. Even two thousand year old ancients like Constantine only have around 11 living children, and of those 11, one is human and a second is mad.


For both reasons, she is going to be killing as few as she can.
Not purging anyone who might object.
Yog said:
[x] uju32
The only issue I have here is that we don't really need to look at Lord Raith, I would rather spend more effort looking at Madrigal and other conspirators to see if any of them are nemesis-tainted.
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So did I.
My initial preference was Lydia on Madrigal, and Molly on the Skavis.
But Lara specifically asked about Madrigal, then I remembered the skinwalker connection. So better to put Molly on him so she can kill or disable him as soon as combat starts, just in case.
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1)When you are cultivating a new maybe ally of convenience?
You dont use them as a patsy if you hope to get any aid out of them again. Especially when they have demonstrated evidence of unknown but pretty far-ranging information gathering powers.
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Eh, I think most of the thread would be fine with Molly killing more vamps than she stricktly needs to.
As would Molly IC.

Or do you think she'd be sad if Charles here for example gave her an excuse to bring down the blade?

uju32 said:
2)The Vampire Courts most powerful members tend to be on the older side; experience accumulated over hundreds of years, or descendants of particular bloodlines. This incidentally is where a significant portion of the conspirators are drawn from: the White King's nephew, the heir of House Skavis, et cetera.

Each person killed here diminishes the White Court as a whole against external enemies, and makes them individually and collectively less secure. And the world is a dangerous place right now, even for Whamps.

There is a supernatural world war going on for the last four years, with WMD use on both sides.
Two Fae Queens have been Nfected by Nemesis in the last six years. Necromancers almost blew up Chicago.
There has been a naagloshii and its coven stalking the Raith estate for weeks or months now.

Add to this the fact that the Whampires replace losses almost as slowly as wizards do.
They arent Reds or Blacks who just have to go out and bite people, then wait for nature to take its course. Even two thousand year old ancients like Constantine only have around 11 living children, and of those 11, one is human and a second is mad.


For both reasons, she is going to be killing as few as she can.
Not purging anyone who might object.
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That one is true, and the reason why I'm so optimistic on getting it under Molly's control eventually.

But I still have the impression that the majority of the WC are not all that combat-relevant on the level of other supernatural powers, see powerful figures like Lady Skavis torn apart by mere Ghouls, or almost any member of the Court being weaker than Harry in a straight fight.

They survive through indirect power, influence on other supernaturals and on the mundane goverments, not through the individual prowess of their Elder, like the remains of the Black Court do.
Coming under the patronship of a future big league fighter like Molly is a boon under those circumstances, in these uncertain times.
 
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So did I.
My initial preference was Lydia on Madrigal, and Molly on the Skavis.
But Lara specifically asked about Madrigal, then I remembered the skinwalker connection. So better to put Molly on him so she can kill or disable him as soon as combat starts, just in case.
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So why are you diverting your attention to Lord Raith then?
 
uju32 said:
Take a look at Lord Raith's aura with Hellscry Chakra +All Things Betray + Occult Excellency up
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Even if you're right about the anima stuff this is still smuck bait. The default vote options clearly split between paying attention to various targets and snooping on the king, which strongly implies that attention on one element will distract us from the other.

We should keep our eyes on the prize here and make sure we don't miss anything from the people we're here to kill.

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Also, why not move more of the buffs out to the speech section? Waiting till turn zero is riskier for no gain.
 
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[X] Plan Ballroom Blitz
-[X] Stick close to Madrigal, as the only Raith in the conspiracy it would be particularly problematic if he were to escape
-[X] Buff Cycle:
—[X] When we start killing vampires attempt to make enough of a mess of the first/first few to activate BSM
—[X] During Speech: IPM (1wp), ATB (1m), Occult Excellency, MHM, HC
—[X] Turn 0: VLE, Steel Skin, sword + shield
—[X] Turn 1: melee excellency as we attack.
-[X] [Stunt]: As the white king continues with his speech, Molly began to draw on her newly deepened well of power.
—[X] The essence running the her body, mind, and soul almost felt like waking up; as the world opened up before her eyes and her mind warded itself in the primacy of her soul for a moment Molly couldn't think of a time she'd felt more alive.
—[X] Watching the crowd, and Madrigal in particular, with her awakening senses she sees as much as hears the climax of the speech. First the shock, then the fear and anger, followed by resolve.
—[X] Before the first syllable has faded from the air Molly is already finishing her preparations; her brazen skin, broken idols, and burning eyes announcing her intent to the world. In a voice that sears like fire and promises nothing but pain Molly calls out " Madrigal Raith. I require a word".


Just to be clear, the stunt dialogue is only intended to freak him out.

We should move to kill him immediately, and messily bisect anyone who gets in our way so we can wear their blood for additional power during the rest of the fight.

If no one goes for the intercept then dear old Maddy gets to be our new accessory.

It's basically just this:
 
Artemis1992 said:
Eh, I think most of the thread would be fine with Molly killing more vamps than she stricktly needs to.
As would Molly IC.
Or do you think she'd be sad if Charles here for example gave her an excuse to bring down the blade?
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I think Molly would care IC.
Her thinking him a bad person is not the same thing as her judging him as must die by her hand. And I've always read her as being careful about getting cavalier about casualties. Bad habit to cultivate when you wield that much power.

Besides, unintended consequences are very much a thing when you get careless or impulsive; we just got a reminder of that with Charles and Eleanor and his daughter Connie that we didnt know existed IC.
Never mind the platoon of ghouls that Charlie Boy canonically pays for in Oklahoma that we dont know about IC.

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That one is true, and the reason why I'm so optimistic on getting it under Molly's control eventually.

But I still have the impression that the majority of the WC are not all that combat-relevant on the level of other supernatural powers, see powerful figures like Lady Skavis torn apart by mere Ghouls, or almost any member of the Court being weaker than Harry in a straight fight.

They survive through indirect power, influence on other supernaturals and on the mundane goverments, not through the individual prowess of their Elder, like the remains of the Black Court do.
Coming under the patronship of a future big league fighter like Molly is a boon under those circumstances, in these uncertain times.
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The White Court did not survive the fall of Rome and the two millenia to date by being solely social manipulators.
They may have a preference for social work, and not have the sheer martial edge of other vampires, but they have enough to be terrifying if they actually ever cut loose and damn the casualties.

None of them we've seen are the equal of Constantine Raith, who could allegedly pull Ebenezar McCoy's ranged life-ripping trick
But thats not the same thing as being helpless.
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So why are you diverting your attention to Lord Raith then?
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According to the latest update?
We are currently looking at him as he makes his speech and wondering why he doesnt have the mystical weight of other supernatural people we've met.

So it seems natural to activate sensory buffs when looking at him, look at him for a dozen seconds, then shift our attention.

BronzeTongue said:
Even if you're right about the anima stuff this is still smuck bait. The default vote options clearly split between paying attention to various targets and snooping on the king, which strongly implies that attention on one element will distract us from the other.
We should keep our eyes on the prize here and make sure we don't miss anything from the people we're here to kill.

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Also, why not move more of the buffs out to the speech section? Waiting till turn zero is riskier for no gain.
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1) See above.
We are looking at him as of the latest update; activate perception buffs while looking at him, stare at him for a dozen seconds, then switch attention

2) Of the charms activated during the speech?
Two of them are both Internal with no external effects, scene-long length that we dont have to worry about running out of, and an Occult Excellency we need running to enhance them and boost activation of MHM.

The other charms are either Obvious charms with external effects or risk running out if activated prematurely, with the exception of IPM.

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To break it down further
-Speech: 3m. Essence spent so far in the scene: 3/4
-Turn 0: 3m, 1wp. Essence spent so far: 6/4. Anima flares
-Turn 1: 1m. Essence spent: 7/4.
 
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uju32 said:
1) See above.
We are looking at him as of the latest update; activate perception buffs while looking at him, stare at him for a dozen seconds, then switch attention

2) Of the charms activated during the speech?
Two of them are both Internal with no external effects, scene-long length that we dont have to worry about running out of, and an Occult Excellency we need running to enhance them and boost activation of MHM.

The other charms are either Obvious charms with external effects or risk running out if activated prematurely, with the exception of IPM.
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I'm activating the same charms you are at the same times specifically to optimize against their duration issues. I'm not completely sold on HC being necessary, but enough of the thread is that I included it anyway. When DP is online again I do want to ask for clarification on the anima stuff though.

My concern with this diversion is that you're sort of trying to have our cake and eat it too.

Focusing on the king is given as one option with specific benefits and costs, while focusing on a target is listed separately with its own set.

End running the split is asking to get slapped down for it.

On the practical IC level we don't know the timing of the speech or what might get picked up by the various players in the audience. They've got their own bullshit to work with after all, and we don't know what their prep might have included.

Looking away from them risks missing them doing something, or being otherwise distracted during a critical moment.

This is an eyes on the prize moment for me; we should be focusing on achieving our goals before and above everything else instead of tacking on random extras last minute.
 
[X] Plan Ballroom Blitz

Funny to have Uju, biggest fan of telling *the juice's not worth the squeeze*, be the one trying to squeeze more drops during a combat situation that will be chaotic enough without us leaving our first target out of sight as well.
 
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