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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
, but which no true vampire could observe in person
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Is that actually necessary? Reds are recruitable too, given the correct impetus.

We can just sit the vamps down for an impassioned conversation on sapient rights, then inform them they've had a change of heart and therefore don't need to be dragged into the hell dimension we rule as a goddess to live die and live again until they do.

I suspect we will find a remarkable number of secret human sympathizers. :V
 
The fact that we didn't get Endless Torment Emanation is getting more and more frustrating to me. It would have made this whole plot easy. And the last plot and the one before that.
 
If we're stealth coup-ing Columbia to take it from the Reds, we should probably offer IDU to those officers and senior intelligence agents willing to serve us.

That would stop the Reds killing and replacing them, or at least make it much harder.
 
Alratan said:
If we're stealth coup-ing Columbia to take it from the Reds, we should probably offer IDU to those officers and senior intelligence agents willing to serve us.

That would stop the Reds killing and replacing them, or at least make it much harder.
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If we stealth conquer / puppetstate Columbia, we should probably do something to calm other factions. Because this rather looks like a start of the invasion.
 
I thought of this really late, but this seems like the sort of thing that we should invite Dad to. We are working to redeem sinners and are going to have the meeting at a religious meetup. It is a well fitting knight of the cross mission and it has been awhile since we brought our 5 dot mentor to anything.
 
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So, here's a scary thought: @DragonParadox can wizards learn Prayer Eating? It's not an inherently exalted discipline per the book. And an Enlightened Wizard with Prayer Eating 4, a cult of a hundred people, and something to add bonuses to Charisma + Performance rolls may get 10 motes of essence to play with once per day. And 10 motes are 10 successes on a spell. And that's epic level magic.

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Thinking about it, I am super glad we got Olivia Performance 5. Televised Prayer Eating. Spend all the mana she has, get it back and more besides. Just need to enlighten her.
 
Yog said:
So, here's a scary thought: @DragonParadox can wizards learn Prayer Eating? It's not an inherently exalted discipline per the book. And an Enlightened Wizard with Prayer Eating 4, a cult of a hundred people, and something to add bonuses to Charisma + Performance rolls may get 10 motes of essence to play with once per day. And 10 motes are 10 successes on a spell. And that's epic level magic.
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Not fully human ones, you have to be 'a little bit god' to learn that. The fey can do it, but don't for some reason. Molly suspects there is some kind of deal going on that involves them not asking for worship.
 
Yog said:
So, here's a scary thought: @DragonParadox can wizards learn Prayer Eating? It's not an inherently exalted discipline per the book. And an Enlightened Wizard with Prayer Eating 4, a cult of a hundred people, and something to add bonuses to Charisma + Performance rolls may get 10 motes of essence to play with once per day. And 10 motes are 10 successes on a spell. And that's epic level magic.

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Thinking about it, I am super glad we got Olivia Performance 5. Televised Prayer Eating. Spend all the mana she has, get it back and more besides. Just need to enlighten her.
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Well, the main function of the cult in Mage is to break the local paradox, as I recall. By giving you a group that believes in your paradigm and therefore not only does not cause a paradox when you throw a fireball, but suppresses it. And maybe additional successes on arete roll
 
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DragonParadox said:
Not fully human ones, you have to be 'a little bit god' to learn that. The fey can do it, but don't for some reason. Molly suspects there is some kind of deal going on that involves them not asking for worship.
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So, Olivia is perfectly set up to learn Prayer Eating is what you are saying, and leverage her performance / acting career into getting a cult. And later we'll get her to take over Lanka - she has a bloodline claim, iowever distantly removed.

Which leaves only Tiffany without a kingdom of her own.
 
By the way, did we give Thomas False Springs Beckon? He has salvation to most of his ills from serving Molly, but that doesn't save him from his weakness for love. Which somewhat affects his relationship with the woman he loves. I suppose it could have been done somewhere in the background but...
 
Yog said:
So, Olivia is perfectly set up to learn Prayer Eating is what you are saying, and leverage her performance / acting career into getting a cult. And later we'll get her to take over Lanka - she has a bloodline claim, iowever distantly removed.

Which leaves only Tiffany without a kingdom of her own.
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She's a little bit demon, not a little bit god.


Not everyone should be able to get access to whatever powers are listed in any book just because a specific rule against handing them out wasn't made.
 
Ivar said:
Now yes, but in her veins flows the blood of the gods of India and that is why she was so hidden. She is a Godling and who knows what else this blood can do.
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She wasn't hidden exactly, she had some sort of anti black magic binding on her.

The thing is, the implication we got at the time was that she wasn't anything special as minor talents go. She just had an ancestor who knows how many steps removed who'd taken action at some point to make sure their descendants wouldn't have magical backlash problems.

Given the spread of supernatural bloodlines at this point if that counts as being a little god then the term loses all meaning.
 
Ivar said:
By Exaltet standards, she is considerably better than the least gods responsible for a single blade of grass. We simply have to raise her in the Divine Bureaucracy.
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This isn't exalted, and even if it was the god of a blade of glass is still 100% god.

This is a question of nature and not power. Did an ancestor of yours screw a magical fish recently enough for you to have gills? If not you shouldn't be able to breathe underwater "naturally".
 
BronzeTongue said:
She wasn't hidden exactly, she had some sort of anti black magic binding on her.

The thing is, the implication we got at the time was that she wasn't anything special as minor talents go. She just had an ancestor who knows how many steps removed who'd taken action at some point to make sure their descendants wouldn't have magical backlash problems.

Given the spread of supernatural bloodlines at this point if that counts as being a little god then the term loses all meaning.
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I'll have to look, but I remember it like this: Olivia's mom prayed for Olivia to be kept safe. Her raksha ancestor listened, and twisted her natural magic, turning everything to stealth, at the expense of control and other abilities.

She's a very minor godblooded, but her divine ancestor is alive, active and intervened in her life at least once. We can work with that, I think.
 
Yog said:
I'll have to look, but I remember it like this: Olivia's mom prayed for Olivia to be kept safe. Her raksha ancestor listened, and twisted her natural magic, turning everything to stealth, at the expense of control and other abilities.

She's a very minor godblooded, but her divine ancestor is alive, active and intervened in her life at least once. We can work with that, I think.
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I don't recall us ever getting that detailed an answer, and this still wouldn't make her a god.

Must we break everything down into some flavorless min-maxed slop? Let characters be their own thing.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This isn't exalted, and even if it was the god of a blade of glass is still 100% god.

This is a question of nature and not power. Did an ancestor of yours screw a magical fish recently enough for you to have gills? If not you shouldn't be able to breathe underwater "naturally".
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Her ancestor was close enough in blood for prayers to protect her allowed them to do so. This isn't oh everyone in Greece is some level of related to Zeus this is more along the lines of Hector where neither your grandparents or your great-grandparents are Gods but the Divine blood that you do possess allows you Supernatural abilities not normally possessed by Mortals.

Hector's great-great-grandmother was an oceanid one of Atlas's brood of 3,000. Unlike Olivia he never had any intervention from his Divine side at all yet he was still the greatest Warrior of Troy a direct Counterpoint to both Ajax as well as Achilles.

Unless you're talking about modern fantasy fiction Divine blood is not meant to be something that dwindles in a singular or even multiple Generations. Whether you're talking about India, Japan, Greece, Egypt I'd have to look up the cycles of Irish lore but I'm pretty sure Divine blood is also not meant to be something that is forgotten or ignored within Generations either.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't recall us ever getting that detailed an answer, and this still wouldn't make her a god.

Must we break everything down into some flavorless min-maxed slop? Let characters be their own thing.
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Min maxed slop flavorless despite this being a literal point on Divine ancestry, really. Never mind the fact you don't need the blood to be a God in any mythology where Apotheosis is a thing that can happen including Dresden Files and world of Darkness.

This is before the fact many hands make light work. The stronger we make our Circle the more easily we can accomplish multiple objectives. You can call that Min maxing if you want but that's literally just basic division of labor to the point where yog is having Olivia help construct this Fortress because despite wanting mana manipulation for Molly personally myself. I can acknowledge that someone else having it with us helping them set up the web of Mana is also good is also helpful.

Sense we are out here calling possible ideas for character progression and strengthening min max slop. I'ma say that this comment seems like pointless whinging at nothing. Backed by an opinion founded on I just don't like it which is fine just say that instead of saying flavorless slop like that means fucking anything.
 
Degorium said:
Her ancestor was close enough in blood for prayers to protect her allowed them to do so. This isn't oh everyone in Greece is some level of related to Zeus this is more along the lines of Hector where neither your grandparents or your great-grandparents are Gods but the Divine blood that you do possess allows you Supernatural abilities not normally possessed by Mortals.

Hector's great-great-grandmother was an oceanid one of Atlas's brood of 3,000. Unlike Olivia he never had any intervention from his Divine side at all yet he was still the greatest Warrior of Troy a direct Counterpoint to both Ajax as well as Achilles.

Unless you're talking about modern fantasy fiction Divine blood is not meant to be something that dwindles in a singular or even multiple Generations. Whether you're talking about India, Japan, Greece, Egypt I'd have to look up the cycles of Irish lore but I'm pretty sure Divine blood is also not meant to be something that is forgotten or ignored within Generations either.
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That is an incredibly broad generalization, and in any case the rules of this game are modern fantasy.

She's a minor talents and not a godblood, she doesn't have enough juice to qualify as that type of character. Her ancestor intervening out of some sense of connection says more about their nature than hers.

Given enough spiritual steroids perhaps she could get big enough on her own, especially since she's the founding member of her own species of superhuman in quest, but that's as different as the phrases "I'd like to make a withdrawal" and "this is a robbery".
Degorium said:
Min maxed slop flavorless despite this being a literal point on Divine ancestry, really. Never mind the fact you don't need the blood to be a God in any mythology where Apotheosis is a thing that can happen including Dresden Files and world of Darkness.

This is before the fact many hands make light work. The stronger we make our Circle the more easily we can accomplish multiple objectives. You can call that Min maxing if you want but that's literally just basic division of labor to the point where yog is having Olivia help construct this Fortress because despite wanting mana manipulation for Molly personally myself. I can acknowledge that someone else having it with us helping them set up the web of Mana is also good is also helpful.

Sense we are out here calling possible ideas for character progression and strengthening min max slop. I'ma say that this comment seems like pointless whinging at nothing. Backed by an opinion founded on I just don't like it which is fine just say that instead of saying flavorless slop like that means fucking anything.
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This started with asking if we could teach wizards prayer eating, and treats being connected to divinity as a cheap technicality so yes I'll stand by that statement.
 
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