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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
This asserts something unquantifiable. We can't know what he had the time or inclination to look into. Taken directly it's basically a blank check to write in or write out any element of the setting not explicitly nailed down based on our opinions of Harry's judgement.
Also not a comfortable topic for either of them, I doubt they got into the nitty gritty too frequently.
Beyond that, Thomas left the court in part for moral reasons. His feeding strategy would arguably be less ethical than what you're saying the white court does.
I can see them baiting people in, but by and large they don't want to let people know about what they are and can do. Even with mind magic there are still issues.
I don't think it makes sense to claim strictly observing the rights of humans they don't brief as people is actually easier than baiting them into getting somewhere isolated and then bending their brains until they're compliant chattel, probably including tying off loose ends in their own lives where needed.
I don't think they'd have any more trouble getting young pretty people than the multitude of illegal brothels that make use of sex slaves in this country either.
Past that, whamps are human enough for human foibles. Their attitude is exactly the sort that pushes towards suboptimal levels of cruelty on the basis of satisfying their feelings of superiority. Even without all the points I just raised a human asking to go home is a cow asking not to be made into steaks. It doesn't get to have an opinion, and the whamps they talk to would probably spam dominate until they sit back down.
Sounds like he's vulnerable to me. I'm not going to get rabidly argumentative about this, but if we've got to pick a target to start with I still don't see why it shouldn't be someone we actively dislike that caught our attention and has valuable things to take away. Him being in Lara's house in no way precludes him having and pushing a different agenda from her. It's just more complicated to execute.
Looting for ourselves wouldn't be ideal, but helping a more palatable rival take him apart would take less effort from us and give us multiple different rewards.
If we don't target him specifically that's still the strategy I'd favor for influencing the court. We're sort of allies or at least formally non hostile towards each other. So the best way to advance our agenda against the wishes of their membership is to set up every interaction so it's nominally positive.
We aren't attacking Elder FlaysOLot, we're just trading lore with Elder ShredsOConscience who happened to use it to gain ground in their regular political back-and-forth.
We didn't undercut that Skavis noble, perish the thought of stabbing our good friends in the back, no we just made a lucrative trade deal with that clever baroness next door to him. Isn't it impressive how much local market share she's taken over?
Blackmail? Little old me? No. I do wonder why count slaver over there suddenly became so cooperative with their neighbors new and positively abolitionist business model. Haven't the two of them been feuding for decades?
Stuff like that. Never stab anyone ourselves, just open a knife stand and sell to the people we like in the internecine conflict that is baseline white court politics.
We profit three times over; once from the sales, once from the networking, and once from the people that we help pushing for changes we want as part of their own agendas.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
For better or worse tonight its gonna be. I agree with what @Goldfish said taking advantage of Charity's hospitality just because we know she probably won't say no due to her beliefs is wrong. In the future we need to have something arranged, maybe have our ghouls on standby to bring ppl like her elsewhere if we can't have the police handle it.
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And maybe further fortify our litte underground realm.
Which would also likely mean dealing with Marcone at some point since he has his underlings sitting on our current main entrance. But since he apparently plans to approach us himself, I feel we can deal with that when does so.
Question @DragonParadox: Considering there are a lot of people living there now that are seeing it as home, wouldn´t that mean that the place should start developing a threshold? Even a partially formed threshold would mean some protection against supernaturals. Most of them anyway.
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- Earth
iirc we got a new entrance with our diamond company.
As Uju32 pointed out it kind of is in the books. People get stashed there, or regroup there after a fight, during most of the cases Micheal gets involved in.
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I'll note while not absolute or anything all encompassing harry does occasionally mention cases he does in between books, things hes had to repair, and some of the things he does. Like we know for a fact that harry plays dungeons and dragons cause hes a big old nerd.
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The best moment to ask is right after we are done with the massacre.
While the blood is still dripping of our sword.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If we didn't need to save essanse for the coming fight I would definitely be advocating for using NWS all over the place to collect blackmail material.
The essanse cost is the main reason that I was against getting NWS. It is always in competition with other things we want to do.
The essanse cost is the main reason that I was against getting NWS. It is always in competition with other things we want to do.
In fairness right now it's not the essence so much as the anima that's an issue. We have one point free before that, so technically we could NWS someone without issue. It just comes down to if we think we'll need it before the end of the scene or not.
Arc 8 Post 28: Of a Crown Most Hollow
Of a Crown Most Hollow
13th of November 2006 A.D.
Truth be told you are not entirely sure how mom is going to handle Eleanor, on the one hand she's a victim, little more than a biological vending machine where he had to put in the right buttons to get snacks. One would hope... no you know mom would sympathize what that, but on the other hand she is the kind of woman your mother never really liked, living the kind of life she really does not like. Home's still the safest place you know, so home you send her with encouraging smiles and fingers metaphorically crossed.
"I need to ward the station better," you mutter to her retreating back.
Even over the rising tide of Bohemian Rhapsody Lydia hears you. "You need a place for people to stay that is not in the sewers. Buy a house, a nice one, I know a real-estate agent... well OK my lawyer knows a real-estate agent, but it comes out to the same thing."
"I was going to buy an apartment..." The words trail off as you consider. That is what someone's supposed to do when if they have money at eighteen and need some space right? But here you are, taking in the grounds of a vampire's estate as at your back, the pari, the incubus and succubus, the cold eyed manipulators of mankind sway not quite dancing, not even realizing how the lyrics foretell their doom and that you will be their executioner tonight.
Maybe it's time you stopped paying so much attention to 'supposed to'.
***
The food is good, most of the the drink is weird cocktails with names fit for people who got bored of drinking centuries ago. Lydia calls you a Philistine, you counter than you do not even know where Caphtor is supposed to be so you can't be from there. For the first time ever telling that joke someone laughs at it proving the value of a classical education you guess because she definitely did not go to Sunday school.
"You know that is the fourth one you tried," she points out, motioning to the pink fizzy cocktail with green whirls, neither of them colors one might find in nature.
"Alcohol doesn't really affect me as much..." You try not to glare at the handful of vampires trying for a thankfully non-magical come hither look. "I don't feel like dancing..." Because I might be wearing the blood of the person I danced with ten minutes ago, you add mentally. Lara had made it clear that anyone trying to protect a traitor or facilitate their escape was also a traitor so while she would prefer you not splatter anyone not on her list, which is twice the lenght of your list and includes the head of House Skavis, she's not going to be broken up about it. Personally you think one of those marble pillars in the entry hall is more likely to get 'broken up' than Lara Raith
It is not Lara who will be firing the first shot, not her who will be proclaiming that the 'justice' of the White Court is to be done. Constantine Raith, lord, though in the sight of your Crown no longer master of the White Court, steps onto the literal stage upon which the more dramatically inclined members of the court had been performing sacred plays older than Rome moments ago with a kind of understated menace that brought to mind that old hankered expression 'he had the look of a Greek god', not in the way it is used in romance novels these days, short hand for being 'hot' in a way that is supposed to sound culture, rather he putting one in the mind for what those gods are most known for, seduction and spite, tangled tales... tragedy. One could well imagine those eyebrows arched in judgement over some foolish mortal who dared challenge the the power and perfection of Olympus... and it is all of it an act.
From Sarah to Bones, to Thomas and Isabela you are aware that you have a certain presence before those who walk beyond the lighted paths and you are aware also when it is absent, when the one standing before you may by their own weight of being look you in the eye untroubled. So it was with Lara, so it was of course with Mab, though not most of her court, so it was with the heir of House Malvora.
"Friends, companions, family near and far, citizens of the most glorious and joyous of domains, we are gathered here on a day of celebration and of contemplation, in recognition of our common heritage and the bonds that join us. Some are more lax than others on this day no doubt when new lovers are taken, new friendships sparked and new rivalries tasted..." By his every word and gesture, by the sharpness of his smile and the sureness of his step Constantine Raith aught to have it, but he does not. It is a little like meeting someone with the sun at their back who does not cast a shadow, strange even without looking down.
According to Lara you will know the point in the speech when it is time to strike. The doors are already guarded, and every one of the fourteen people you are supposed to kill is in sight,
What do you do?
[] Keep a close eye on the Skavis delegation, they are the only House whose heir and head you are meant to kill
[] Stick close to Madrigal, as the only Raith in the conspiracy it would be particularly problematic if he were to escape
[] Keep an eye, magical and mundane on the heir of house Malvora, he set your teeth on edge
[] Nevermind the targets, try to get a read on the White King. What kind of hold does Lara have on him?
[] Write in
OOC: My internet went out halfway through writing this, thankfully I did not lose anything, but as I was thinking of how to finish it occurred to me that the White King deserves at least a bit of gravitas, if only to show how hollow it is.
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just to make sure white court in this setting can still only enter the nevernever in an area associated with their emotion which has seeped into the environment right?
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- ImBuda
With wind borne we dont require being near, so I would prefer to react to posible attacks or gain information, or even activate the fire alarms to get a reduced DC from the water.
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If thats true we should kill the skavis first before they use the fear to open a passage.
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has to seep in for a while its not a quick thing. a strip club would work for a raith, the site of really grisly murders for a skavis, etc etc. or you know their own houses and such.
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Well if thats the case killing madrigal might be better, Lara asked him to go first.
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typo in length
Also Lara hated what she found.
She'd want us to deal with Madrigal first.
Do we do that, or not?
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- washington
Its why I ask since dp has added abilities to the white court that aren't really shown in canon and there are even some au details since dp doesn't remember everything or read all the wogs.
Wait ... Molly agreed to be the one to kick this off instead of merely "lending aid to her host" once things started?
That has a shitload of political implications and I'm kind of surprised it wasn't up for vote.
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That was the plan from the start.
We will punish those who wronged us by attacking people under our protection.
Lara is just "allowing" it.
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- Earth
Is it already a new scene right now for purposes of spending essence?
If so, we might use the opportunity to activate a few long lasting subtle buffs a turn early.
What we want:
IPM. Essence or WP (subtle)
ATB. Essence or WP (subtle)
Steel Skin. Essence (not subtle)
VLE. Essence (not subtle)
WBS. Essence (subtle, but short lasting - 3 turns only)
Melee excellency (subtle, short lasting - 4 turns only)
We can spend 3 essence per turn. So we can only activate 3 of the steel skin, wbs, vle and melee excellency the moment it kicks off.
IPM and ATB we can front load. With essence, if our scene has changed, with WP if not.
If so, we might use the opportunity to activate a few long lasting subtle buffs a turn early.
What we want:
IPM. Essence or WP (subtle)
ATB. Essence or WP (subtle)
Steel Skin. Essence (not subtle)
VLE. Essence (not subtle)
WBS. Essence (subtle, but short lasting - 3 turns only)
Melee excellency (subtle, short lasting - 4 turns only)
We can spend 3 essence per turn. So we can only activate 3 of the steel skin, wbs, vle and melee excellency the moment it kicks off.
IPM and ATB we can front load. With essence, if our scene has changed, with WP if not.
Yes but also no. They can only use Ways that operate using associations that are affiliated with their emotional palette.
It's sort of fine distinction, but a relevant one.
The first level is related to the barrier between the nevernever and the mortal world. In the DF (and WoD) it's technically possible to cross it wherever, but it takes more effort the more solidified it is. For various reasons that are at least partially independent of the factors that let a vamp try crossing in the first place only some places are thin enough to be practically pierced.
Then of those spots there's a smaller subset that are actually safe to use even for them. Even with the emotional association subset it's still possible for them to cross over and find an ocean of acid or whatever on the other side.
Not how it works, it has to be big enough to form an association. Like going from an empty field to a graveyard. Something like this really shouldn't change anything.
Even if it did, blind jumps into the nevernever are suicidal. A vast majority of connected points lead into hostile environments or are otherwise inhabited by unfriendly entities.
In any case most people with the resources to do so lock down the nevernever on the flip side of their long term facilities and the white court is definitely one of those.
If he could leap out it would probably be right into the teeth of something lethal.
[] Keep a close eye on the Skavis delegation, they are the only House whose heir and head you are meant to kill
[] Stick close to Madrigal, as the only Raith in the conspiracy it would be particularly problematic if he were to escape
One of these two, I think.
While Malvora heir is certainly trouble, I doubt he is an immediate concern, and while to know about Lara's hold on White Kink would be potentially very useful, our reputation depends very much on an as clean as possible execution, if anyone were to flee because we were distracted, it would be a potentially serious problem.
[] Stick close to Madrigal, as the only Raith in the conspiracy it would be particularly problematic if he were to escape
One of these two, I think.
While Malvora heir is certainly trouble, I doubt he is an immediate concern, and while to know about Lara's hold on White Kink would be potentially very useful, our reputation depends very much on an as clean as possible execution, if anyone were to flee because we were distracted, it would be a potentially serious problem.
Oh, right. I kind of forgot the Myrmidons were why we were here and was thinking in terms of agents of the Outsiders