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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I'm leaning towards the demonchecker not working on bound apparitions.

How I think it works is by sending a blast of Hysh through the holder's body, resulting in the automatic repellent of any demon currently within the body.

However, to work on a wizard, it must avoid any parts of their soul, or else it'll curdle with the Ulgu and create Dhar. So it stands that it's capable of detecting Ulgu and avoiding it.

Since bound apparitions are coated in the wind that binds them, they should then be "camouflaged" and ignored by the demonchecker.

.... In theory.
 
Wiggy said:
Yeah, you're probably right in quest, but in canon... *looks pointedly at Egrimm being covered in chaos tattoos as a light wizard*
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I mean, from a Watsonian perspective, as a Light Wizard he presumably had countermeasures set up to block that particular spell. From a Doylist perspective, from what I understand, his canonical backstory is mostly plot holes and absurdity, so one more barely adds to the tally.
 
Wodger said:
How dangerous is the whole binding a hostile entity directly to your soul thing?
On one hand several other colleges have their own version of the spell so it can't be too dangerous, is it just a worse consequence if you miscast?
I guess we have to test it to find out?
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I wrote an entire informational post on all the information we have on Apparitions. The short version is that binding it to our soul gives us a strong leash to pull on, but even with that, the spell once completed will probably be about as dangerous as regular Battle Magic.
 
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Wiggy said:
Yeah, you're probably right in quest, but in canon... *looks pointedly at Egrimm being covered in chaos tattoos as a light wizard*
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In fairness, as much as the canon around Egrimm is incredibly dumb, I do feel like a Light wizard is both less likely to draw attention in the first place (most people are not Mathilde, who's professionally paranoid, and their biases are going to lean away from what they consider the "anti-daemon wizard" being a Chaos cultist) and more likely to be able to tamper with the most common Hysh-based detection methods.

Of course, this does not in any way excuse physical tattoos that are going to be a risk any time you change clothes or bathe because you live in a shared building, but...

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'm leaning towards the demonchecker not working on bound apparitions.

How I think it works is by sending a blast of Hysh through the holder's body, resulting in the automatic repellent of any demon currently within the body.

However, to work on a wizard, it must avoid any parts of their soul, or else it'll curdle with the Ulgu and create Dhar. So it stands that it's capable of detecting Ulgu and avoiding it.

Since bound apparitions are coated in the wind that binds them, they should then be "camouflaged" and ignored by the demonchecker.

.... In theory.
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It might also simply avoid the soul entirely - Mathilde getting hit by a fireball (Aqshy) or struck by lightning (Azyr) would certainly be bad for her, but not "my soul is explosively rotting" bad.

Now then! First vote I've been here for, I believe.

[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition

I'd rather do Plan Codifying and Swords, honestly, but I actively don't want to go hunting a Rider in Red, and I'm happy enough with this to vote for it.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'm leaning towards the demonchecker not working on bound apparitions.

How I think it works is by sending a blast of Hysh through the holder's body, resulting in the automatic repellent of any demon currently within the body.

However, to work on a wizard, it must avoid any parts of their soul, or else it'll curdle with the Ulgu and create Dhar. So it stands that it's capable of detecting Ulgu and avoiding it.

Since bound apparitions are coated in the wind that binds them, they should then be "camouflaged" and ignored by the demonchecker.

.... In theory.
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That does actually raise a point. For safety's sake it may be best to not bind any apparitions that feed on Hysh. I imagine that trying to keep a daemoncheck from hitting part of your soul is considered pretty sus.


Then again, maybe the list of probable apparition summons already includes Hysh eaters and the relevant Colleges have worked things out. Or just clamp down harder on the little bastards when it comes time for a security review(and maybe get eaten if they screw up.)
 
I can't say I'm too happy about the apparition binding, partly because Riders in Red aren't my pick for apparition binding, mostly because I don't like dropping the Waystone action and doing just two. But honestly, I'm just kind of baffled by the mood swings of the thread. Last turn had a Windherding variant of the winning plan come second, so I figured there's a decent amount of demand for Windherding. This turn has single digit number of votes for Windherding, which is getting blown out of the water by a paper-writing action of all things, and the currently winning plan has apparition binding which had zero votes last turn. Was there some big apparition discussion before the hiatus that got people fired up?
consequences said:
That does actually raise a point. For safety's sake it may be best to not bind any apparitions that feed on Hysh. I imagine that trying to keep a daemoncheck from hitting part of your soul is considered pretty sus.


Then again, maybe the list of probable apparition summons already includes Hysh eaters and the relevant Colleges have worked things out. Or just clamp down harder on the little bastards when it comes time for a security review(and maybe get eaten if they screw up.)
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The only apparition that feeds on Hysh is the Wisdom's Asp, which we can't bind because it also eats Ulgu.
 
mathymancer said:
I can't say I'm too happy about the apparition binding, partly because Riders in Red aren't my pick for apparition binding, mostly because I don't like dropping the Waystone action and doing just two. But honestly, I'm just kind of baffled by the mood swings of the thread. Last turn had a Windherding variant of the winning plan come second, so I figured there's a decent amount of demand for Windherding. This turn has single digit number of votes for Windherding, which is getting blown out of the water by a paper-writing action of all things, and the currently winning plan has apparition binding which had zero votes last turn. Was there some big apparition discussion before the hiatus that got people fired up?

The only apparition that feeds on Hysh is the Wisdom's Asp, which we can't bind because it also eats Ulgu.
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might be that people are now expecting to do the iron orcs next turn and want the extra killyness? the next most popular plan does have a double branulhune aswell.
 
mathymancer said:
I can't say I'm too happy about the apparition binding, partly because Riders in Red aren't my pick for apparition binding, mostly because I don't like dropping the Waystone action and doing just two. But honestly, I'm just kind of baffled by the mood swings of the thread. Last turn had a Windherding variant of the winning plan come second, so I figured there's a decent amount of demand for Windherding. This turn has single digit number of votes for Windherding, which is getting blown out of the water by a paper-writing action of all things, and the currently winning plan has apparition binding which had zero votes last turn. Was there some big apparition discussion before the hiatus that got people fired up?

The only apparition that feeds on Hysh is the Wisdom's Asp, which we can't bind because it also eats Ulgu.
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Last Turn was on October 29th of last year. People tend to change their opinions in eight months, and that is not even mentioning the fact that there may be different voters doing the voting this time around.
 
How are we going to attract a red rider? They are attracted to Bright magic, destructive spells, and cruelty, which aren't really in Mathilde's or Johann's wheelhouse.

I suppose we could just lurk in the fire quarter breaking stuff until something attacks us, but that sounds... Dubious, at best.
 
DragonParadox said:
Last Turn was on October 29th of last year. People tend to change their opinions in eight months, and that is not even mentioning the fact that there may be different voters doing the voting this time around.
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Sure, what I don't get is why those people changed their minds. Unless I missed something, there was pretty much zero discussion of apparition binding, someone just wrote a variant with it and suddenly it was winning.
I did in fact miss something.
dinomannitro6 said:
might be that people are now expecting to do the iron orcs next turn and want the extra killyness? the next most popular plan does have a double branulhune aswell.
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That's probably correct, I searched a bit and immediately before the apparition variant was written someone said just that.
Gavin Prince said:
The only thing I'd prefer to change in those plans, now that Iron Orcs have had some good arguments for delay, would be to do Apparition Hunting with Johann instead of mapping. Two Waystones actions is solid progress, and extra killiness is probably more useful on the margin than a third.
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We aren't going to finish apparition binding in time to go hunt Iron Orcs, so I hope that's not the reason people are voting for it.

I'm very uncomfortable with dropping down to 2 Waystone actions, one of which is a mapping action and not actually on the Waystone themselves. Our position in Laurelorn doesn't feel nearly secure enough to be blowing off our job for 3 self-improvement actions, with Thorek actively saying he feels the situation isn't secure.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
We aren't going to finish apparition binding in time to go hunt Iron Orcs, so I hope that's not the reason people are voting for it.

I'm very uncomfortable with dropping down to 2 Waystone actions, one of which is a mapping action and not actually on the Waystone themselves. Our position in Laurelorn doesn't feel nearly secure enough to be blowing off our job for 3 self-improvement actions, with Thorek actively saying he feels the situation isn't secure.
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If we are blowing up the job by leaving one action out (of three) then the job was a mistake from the beginning...
 
dinomannitro6 said:
might be that people are now expecting to do the iron orcs next turn and want the extra killyness? the next most popular plan does have a double branulhune aswell.
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If so, people will be disappointed. Fully binding the Riders as a spell will be the work of several AP which we will probably need to do one turn at a time instead of possibly done all at once like we can with Branulhune.

I'm with mathy on this: it's not that it's a bad idea to write the paper with Egrimm or go Apparition-hunting, but the thread feels unusually mood swing-y. It feels like people are going with the plan that has us doing the most variety of things, at a minor expense to our job.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
We aren't going to finish apparition binding in time to go hunt Iron Orcs, so I hope that's not the reason people are voting for it.

I'm very uncomfortable with dropping down to 2 Waystone actions, one of which is a mapping action and not actually on the Waystone themselves. Our position in Laurelorn doesn't feel nearly secure enough to be blowing off our job for 3 self-improvement actions, with Thorek actively saying he feels the situation isn't secure.
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We only discovered... three secrets about waystones that the Eonir did not know in the span of time it takes the average elf to declare their new cheesecake recipe finished rather than all of them. :V

Seriously though I think we are pretty damn secure and no one is going to grade us on cover-your-ass standards, particularly for something as marginal as more mapping.
 
Parabola said:
If so, people will be disappointed. Fully binding the Riders as a spell will be the work of several AP which we will probably need to do one turn at a time instead of possibly done all at once like we can with Branulhune.

I'm with mathy on this: it's not that it's a bad idea to write the paper with Egrimm or go Apparition-hunting, but the thread feels unusually mood swing-y. It feels like people are going with the plan that has us doing the most variety of things, at a minor expense to our job.
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Yes, because honestly i got tired of people going "oh we must only and totally focus on the job and anything that doesn't fit needs to be cut."
I want to read something fun! Hunting a apparation sounds like tons of fun.
And we are still doing ways tone actions. Just not half our turn...
 
[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition

Not a fan of apparition binding, especially without the Gambler on it.

To my understand Apparition Binding is like Battlemagic, but the risk is all frontloaded onto the part where you bind the Apparition to begin with?
 
It is my understanding that capturing one is binding it.
Then we follow up on figuring out how to control and release it afterwards.
Though i could be mistaken.
 
[X] Plan Lore and Metal
[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition

I like the Windherding version best, but I'll approval vote the Windfall version too because I'm not a fan of doing apparition binding this turn.

Valmond said:
It is my understanding that capturing one is binding it.
Then we follow up on figuring out how to control and release it afterwards.
Though i could be mistaken.
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This is incorrect: I don't have the quote off the top of my head, but this is something that had to be clarified to me as well when I was pushing for apparitions a good while back.
 
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Speaking as someone who's kinda... Not that excited to be doing apparitions this turn, I have to say it was always my understanding that it's a 1Ap action to find, catch, and bind an apparition unless any of those steps go wrong.

I'm not sure where this talk of it being a multi-turn project has come from.
 
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