- Location
- India
Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
- Thread starter Etranger
- Start date
- Original Alt. History
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Blue, white, green, and brown are all different types of body of water and thus of navy. Brown water means river, so we have a primarily riverine navy.
While im very grateful for the answers, im not convinced.
So far it seems (and im open to correction) like this;
Pros:
-No capital accumulation through salary or trade (for individuals)
-universal wages(?)
Cons:
-great bureaucratic effort, seriously, the implementation, the price setting for literally every product in existence, this is a massive undertaking.
-what happens to the internal economy?
-near entirely removes access to markets for individuals
-forces our people to remain inside the country
as they will be impoverished should they move anywhere else.
-relies on the constant near flawless function of new government measures to keep up quality of life
-discourages initiative on every level
-the government being completely responsible for the procurement of consumer goods has never worked
-massive risk of forced collectivization
So yeah, i assume it has more good points but i cant see them.
Also i cannot imagine how the radreps passed this.
So far it seems (and im open to correction) like this;
Pros:
-No capital accumulation through salary or trade (for individuals)
-universal wages(?)
Cons:
-great bureaucratic effort, seriously, the implementation, the price setting for literally every product in existence, this is a massive undertaking.
-what happens to the internal economy?
-near entirely removes access to markets for individuals
-forces our people to remain inside the country
as they will be impoverished should they move anywhere else.
-relies on the constant near flawless function of new government measures to keep up quality of life
-discourages initiative on every level
-the government being completely responsible for the procurement of consumer goods has never worked
-massive risk of forced collectivization
So yeah, i assume it has more good points but i cant see them.
Also i cannot imagine how the radreps passed this.
IamtooSleepy
I came here to be an ant
Look, I am for parliamentary supremacy as the next person, but maybe, just maybe, we might have overdone it a little bit? Maybe we can spin off some of these positions away from the parliament and let it has their own election? Also, maybe give more power to the local authority? wink wink
To be fair, they are entirely correct.
In hindsight, are we sure increasing electricity demand through rail electrification is a good idea when our electricity generation capacity is still low?
On one hand, as expected. On the other, bruh.
- Location
- USA
Killing Russians to satisfy his own ego is the Tsar's job. Why would he stop now?
Regency
PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
- Location
- Morioh Town, Mt. Ebbot
- Pronouns
- They/Them
1. To help visualizing it, labor vouchers are also roughly like ration stamps at this technological stage we're implementing it, but more widely encompassing up to "luxury" goods. The voucher system differs from ration stamps by not featuring currency at all, rather than ration stamps' restriction on currency usage. It also uses a "hard" cap that is nevetheless adjusted by one's basic needs (which is extensive in Red-Gold Germany), labor contributed (interpreted through both research adjusted by the lens of a social-radical republic), special needs, etc instead of the fixed yet "soft" cap of price multipliers done by some ration stamp systems.
Digital technology at least at the level of early credit card system could simplify its enactment & close the limitations inherent to the paper-based system, but that's outside the scope of this quest's timeframe.
Ours is rather centralized in implementation due to the program being the VanCom's brainchild, but that's not necessarily its only format - the Cooperatives are looking to implement an alternate, more decentralized allocation of the labor vouchers.
2. Less wastage overall, much more insulated against global financial fluctuations - even more so than the current dual-currency system we have, & elimination of unfair advantages due to capital, among others. The labor voucher system is, in fact, internal-only while the reality remains a global economy still driven by capital.
3. What do you mean by "market" here? If you mean access & exchange of goods and services, everybody has access & capability to exchange still with currency substituted by the voucher system. If you mean lack of market competition - the degree is largely dependent on how the voucher system is implemented. But eventual elimination of the tyranny of the market is always the desired goal.
4. Simple, such overseas trips' necessary supplies & Gold Mark to convert into foreign currency can be enumerated as part of the goods & services included in the scope of labor vouchers.
5. Overexaggeration to say it needs flawless governance, it instead needs a more extensive one. But, the system would indeed not be at its full potential until the aforementioned digital tech becomes a thing.
6. What do you mean by "initiative"? I will our recall system on delegates is the populace's threat on misuse of power, including econ planning, and it has been used repeatedly by disgruntled citizens - it is part of why our electorate is so politically engaged. Not to mention the repeated showing of our referenda system's power in passing laws, which is yet amother check powered a highly politically-conscious body politic. Edit: Both means the voucher system's pass to success partially hinges on the initiative of Germany's economic units. Besides, a workable econ planning - whether centralized or decentralized - must by democratic by design.
7. I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion of forces collectivization out of nowhere, by definition that's obstructed by the Red-Gold agreement which birthed the 2nd Republic & notjing abt the voucher system incentivizes that. Considering how the 2nd Republic is constructed, the decision is political suicide with or without labor vouchers.
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- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
We already have a program to handle foreign currency to our people who leave, I think, as part of our dual currency set up. Our internal currency isn't gold backed and is worthless abroad anyway, so that would always be a problem.
The radreps don't really care, their only economic constituency is the yeomanry and they haven't been impacted yet, and will probably get a targeted scheme to integrate them on their terms. I think their presence in coalitions is still your answer to the risk of forced collectivization, though.
Ultimately, if you think markets are a source of freedom rather than of constraints, you're never going to like this. But freeing productive impulses from the dictats of market value is in fact liberating for those who produce. You're looking at it entirely from the side of customers but remember that socialism is politics driven by the production side of the same individuals, in their role as workers.
I also don't see how the universal ration that goes along with the vouchers discourage initiative. No longer do you have to worry about immediate returns or securing investors (with their own hostile priorities) to get some time to implement your own projects. We can push further in that direction by putting more tools and workplaces at people's disposal so they can experiment freely before presenting a project to local or national planning organs for official support but it's already the direction we're going.
I'm planning on pushing a plank to clarify how cooperatives should integrate into the voucher scheme, I hope it'll help clarify the internal economy. It's always going to be driven by planning because that's the goal, to have deliberate production decided for its use. But hopefully we can design ways to keep planning participative and retain workers' autonomy in the process to avoid bureaucratization.
Direct election by those impacted by a position might work as a way to source people for those jobs without having to tap random delegates, who should be focused on nationwide issues. We don't want to bloat our ballot with specific positions if we can avoid it though, it's pretty bad for voter engagement. In the case of planning, maybe we can work through unions with syndical delegates taking a role in representing the workers of a given sector? Or we could try setting up more explicit worker councils, with a more explicit role of organizing production, rather than unions who care more about worker staffing? Something to discuss for sure, especially as the planning commission grows.
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- Location
- USA
Hookay. A lot to unpack here, so...
It'll be ran by planning commissions. It's already largely run by planning commissions, and that hasn't lead to a large-scale collapse - in fact, the industrial economy is growing at a genuinely breakneck pace.
(as a less pithy response, i think that's A Good Thing Actually because as a communist i'm not interested in markets or means of production being privately held, which is what this would amount to. we fought a civil war over this, if you'll recall)
Like Nyvis said, this strikes me as a fundamental break between socialists and liberals. I don't think markets are freeing forces - quite the opposite, in fact. Markets are inherently restricting institutions because they can only function in the pursuit of profit, and what's good for the pursuit of profit is not what is necessarily what is good or desirable for society as a whole.
It'll be ran by planning commissions. It's already largely run by planning commissions, and that hasn't lead to a large-scale collapse - in fact, the industrial economy is growing at a genuinely breakneck pace.
based lmao
(as a less pithy response, i think that's A Good Thing Actually because as a communist i'm not interested in markets or means of production being privately held, which is what this would amount to. we fought a civil war over this, if you'll recall)
If by 'near flawless function of new government measures' you mean 'don't backslide on providing the National Ration', I'd agree. Good to see we're on the same page.
Uh, no it doesn't? How on earth do you get to 'discourages initiative' from this? If anything, breaking the commodity form would engender initiative, because freeing a worker from having to produce something for exchange value on a market means they have more room to experiment with how to produce, not less, because they won't have the need to constantly earn profit to survive hanging over their heads.
This, uh. Isn't that? It'll still be workers producing and procuring stuff. It'll just be coordinated by a bunch of democratically elected planning commissions instead of some guy with a top hat in London.
Like Nyvis said, this strikes me as a fundamental break between socialists and liberals. I don't think markets are freeing forces - quite the opposite, in fact. Markets are inherently restricting institutions because they can only function in the pursuit of profit, and what's good for the pursuit of profit is not what is necessarily what is good or desirable for society as a whole.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
Yeah. On a fully commodified market, no matter what you make, you're making it for the same purpose: sale. It flattens all other intents into profit. Of course, we have some challenges ahead of us to properly express use value but it's better than forever letting prices dictate what you do.
Am i wrong in the assumption that currency is already mainly used for the procurement of non-essential consumer goods?
Also what, the state would be the only institution that can reliably accept vouchers no?
Why would you (or any business really) want another persons voucher?
They already don't tho? We have guaranteed basic necessities, the main incentive is currently increased reward.
But why would you bother trying to improve your performance, both as a business and as an individual when you receive the exact same outcome regardless?
This and the one about market access can probably be combined, but this would mean that the state is the sole provider of goods and services for people, thats what im worried about here.
Also please don't bring that up, that way lies only salt.
Ultimately i suppose i just think money is far more useful to the people than it is problematic.
- Pronouns
- She/They
You're assuming that the only outcome that matters, as far as motivation goes, is profit. The communists do not assume that. This isn't going to be a productive argument unless one side or the other can reconcile that assumption.
A bit reductive but fair i suppose.
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Out of curiosity, for what other reason would you work for if not for personal gain? Say you worked a factory job, does that seem fun? Or appealing? At that point you're just working to put food on the table, so to speak. Of course there are other jobs that people are deeply passionate about, I'm not discounting their experience, but that's not the case for everyone.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
As I said, i'm going to push for formalizing how coops can take a contract to accept vouchers so you can also access our less centralized economy with them.
Vouchers only have what value we ascribe to them in our planning. But we can and should offer ways for autonomously organized processes to join in on that. We'll have to evaluate their use and put a voucher price on their output, then compensate their workers in vouchers, but we can do it.
Do you really want each and every worker to be incentivized to ratfuck their consumers, lie about their products and cheap out on quality by making profit their only motive? We can do better.
Making things is pretty validating. Sure, the Fordist assembly chain is soul crushing and strip you of that validation, but that's a problem for us to work on solving, not something to throw people at forever. Even in capitalist enterprises today, it has come up that you can increase the value of your workers by giving them more input in their task. We have a lot more freedom to leverage that than capitalists so we can go further.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I'm not an anti-market guy, personally. I understand the benefits of preventing currency accumulation, but I personally think there's other means to do it that would be more effective. However, for the sake of argument, I'd like to counter that there's two ways you can go "above and beyond" in a laboring job like a factory or agricultural worker. You can work harder, or you can work smarter:
Working harder is...not actually really that beneficial? If you're shoveling coal or putting widgets in sprockets as your job, pushing yourself to Do More Of That in the same amount of time might produce a surplus of goods, but who does that benefit even in a market economy? Not really the worker. Depending on if the surplus is sellable, not even really the capital-owner. Being more productive for the sake of being more productive, as opposed to a concrete end goal, doesn't seem very sensible to me even in a market. At best, in a planned democratic workplace, the social cachet for being Partner Of The Month would be a benefit for social climbers who want to get elected shift lead or something.
Working smarter, i.e. creating systemic efficiency through innovations and optimizations or, colloquially, inventing shit, is another thing that I'd say is actually more encouraged by a labor voucher/guaranteed basic income system, because you don't really have to worry about accidentally automating yourself out of work if you create too much labor-saving.
Then of course there's the benefits to capping the time spent on labor per day. If you're, say, a factory worker whose passion lies in the arts or horticulture or something, having a guaranteed living out of eight hours of your day leaves you with leisure time to pursue those passions and create utility for yourself and society without it being tied to profit motive. Even if you're the most content uncreative homebody in the world, there's still (and we know this thanks to the hindsight of 21st century science) health benefits to being able to live off of less than a total focus on work. "Three eights" - eight hours of work, eight hours of leisure, eight hours of sleep - have a ton of social utility just from making the population healthier and happier with their existence.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
I think people who focus on accumulation when discussing vouchers miss the real harm of markets. Accumulation can be monitored and handled without vouchers. But if you want to free yourself from producing solely for the purpose of sale and reclaim production for its use, money isn't going to work. Instead of making widgets for a faceless client, you get to make them because society decided they'd be useful, a decision you can participate in and contest.
Aside from the incredible massive bureaucratic apparatus this necessitates, there is also a question of what is lost tho.
Money serves as an abstract unit of "value" that can be near universally exchanged, i cannot overstate how valuable (badum tss) that is.
Also it feels kind of cheap to have every logistical problem brought up answered with "we can do it",
How? Modern states would struggle with this, nevermind 19th century states.
The entire eastern bloc couldn't manage it in the entire span of its existence.
Money serves as an abstract unit of "value" that can be near universally exchanged, i cannot overstate how valuable (badum tss) that is.
That would still be the case for your idea as well?
Also it feels kind of cheap to have every logistical problem brought up answered with "we can do it",
How? Modern states would struggle with this, nevermind 19th century states.
The entire eastern bloc couldn't manage it in the entire span of its existence.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
This is the problem rather than the solution though. Reducing everything to what it can be exchanged for means it has no worth anymore. You're not really making a product you can care about, you're just printing money with extra steps. So why should you find any validation in the process or outcome?
Not really? Society agrees the stuff you make is valuable already through the planning process, which is a collective endeavor so it's a lot more capable of identifying you're cheating it than individual customers with very little power in the market.
Ah, argument ad sovietum, I see we've gotten there.
You might have noticed, the soviet union had a lot of problems beyond just gosplan. We are a prosperous democracy with very high political participation, not one of the poorest nations in Europe with a top heavy political system cut off from most of its population's feedback.
The Election of 1893
- Location
- the Republic
- Pronouns
- He/They
Which party will you support in the election of 1893?
[] The Communist Party
[] The Cooperative Party
[] The Radical Party
[] The Social Democratic Party
There will be a 24-hour moratorium. Please vote by plan, with a maximum of SIX planks, representing the proposed manifesto for your faction. Each plank should be at most two concise sentences. For my ease of understanding and everyone else's, please ensure that your plan has a name that is completely distinctive from all the others, especially if it iterates off another plan.
Please be sure to rank your manifesto planks in order of importance. The most-important plank should be at the top and the least-important at the bottom. This will assist me in coalition-building.
When assembling a coalition manifesto, party planks which are considered "harmonious" with each other may be merged, while planks which are considered "opposed" to each other may be nullified. The party with the largest share of the vote will see most or all of its non-opposed planks enacted, while those with lesser vote shares may only be able to enact their top-most planks. Even those parties not included in the governing coalition may have the opportunity to see their top-most priority enacted.
Finally, if you want to see one or more of your party's traits changed, please include the option you want in the plan. You may only select one of the listed traits; do not make your own. I reserve the right to refuse trait changes if I consider them implausible or somehow counter to the overall intent of the party.
Below is an example plan. Please do not vote for it.
[] The Hyper-Revanchist Party
-[] Vienna by Christmas
--[] Invade France.
--[] Annex the Netherlands.
--[] Send arms to Poland.
--[] Enlist every man, woman, and child into the army.
--[] Pass out jaunty hats to raise national morale.
--[] Make defeatism a capital offense.
--[] [TRADE] Protectionism
[] The Communist Party
[TRADE] Commercial Bloc
[ECON] State Direction
[CHURCH] Atheism
[DIPLO] Internationalism
[MIL] Belligerent
[GOVT] Centralization
[PRO1] Industrial Workers
[PRO2] Service Workers
[PRO3] Career Soldiers
[MISC] Women's and minority rights, International-aligned
[ECON] State Direction
[CHURCH] Atheism
[DIPLO] Internationalism
[MIL] Belligerent
[GOVT] Centralization
[PRO1] Industrial Workers
[PRO2] Service Workers
[PRO3] Career Soldiers
[MISC] Women's and minority rights, International-aligned
[] The Cooperative Party
[TRADE] Commercial Bloc
[ECON] Cooperativism
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Internationalism
[MIL] Opportunist
[GOVT] Localism
[PRO1] Agricultural Workers
[PRO2] Service Workers
[PRO3] Educated Professionals
[MISC] Anti-statist, anarchist ties
[ECON] Cooperativism
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Internationalism
[MIL] Opportunist
[GOVT] Localism
[PRO1] Agricultural Workers
[PRO2] Service Workers
[PRO3] Educated Professionals
[MISC] Anti-statist, anarchist ties
[] The Radical Party
[TRADE] Commercial Bloc
[ECON] Yeomanry
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Cooperation
[MIL] Belligerent
[GOVT] Centralization
[PRO1] Manual Laborers
[PRO2] Agricultural Workers
[PRO3] Educated Professionals
[MISC] Anti-monarchist, pro-conscript
[ECON] Yeomanry
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Cooperation
[MIL] Belligerent
[GOVT] Centralization
[PRO1] Manual Laborers
[PRO2] Agricultural Workers
[PRO3] Educated Professionals
[MISC] Anti-monarchist, pro-conscript
[] The Social Democratic Party
[TRADE] Fair Trade
[ECON] Cooperativism
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Cooperation
[MIL] Opportunist
[GOVT] Devolution
[PRO1] Public Officials
[PRO2] Career Soldiers
[PRO3] Service Workers
[MISC] Anti-ideological, coalition-builders
[ECON] Cooperativism
[CHURCH] Secularism
[DIPLO] Cooperation
[MIL] Opportunist
[GOVT] Devolution
[PRO1] Public Officials
[PRO2] Career Soldiers
[PRO3] Service Workers
[MISC] Anti-ideological, coalition-builders
Trade Stance
This is your party's stance on international commerce. "Protectionism" means high tariffs and a focus on domestic economic growth. "Commercial Bloc" means implementing tariffs and economic cooperation based on a nation's standing or ideological soundness, with an emphasis on allied trade. "Fair Trade" means lower tariffs and extending commercial and financial ties abroad with all willing partners who are not actively hostile.
[] [TRADE] Protectionism
[] [TRADE] Commercial Bloc
[] [TRADE] Fair Trade
Economic Stance
This is your party's stance on the preferred method for venture operations. All methods include revenue sharing and worker management. "State Direction" advocates for centralized sectors with government-directed planning. "Cooperativism" advocates for an economy run by mid-sized cooperatives working independently. "Yeomanry" advocates for an economy made up of small single-family or individual ventures.
[] [ECON] State Direction
[] [ECON] Cooperativism
[] [ECON] Yeomanry
Religious Stance
This is your party's stance on religious affairs. "Atheism" indicates a government that actively excludes religious organizations and movements from public life. "Secularism" indicates a government that does not integrate religious organizations into its operations but also does not interfere with their operation. "Pluralism" indicates a government that explicitly tolerates multiple religions and attempts to incorporate them into government business.
[] [CHURCH] Atheism
[] [CHURCH] Secularism
[] [CHURCH] Pluralism
Diplomatic Stance
This is your party's stance on the world order. "Internationalism" advocates for the eventual abolition of national boundaries and the formation of a single global community. "Cooperation" advocates for a union or alliance of nations working together diplomatically. "Nationalism" advocates for pursuing national interests over other concerns.
[] [DIPLO] Internationalism
[] [DIPLO] Cooperation
[] [DIPLO] Nationalism
Military Stance
This is your party's stance on how the military's deployment and posture. "Belligerent" indicates actively seeking conflict with ideological and national opponents in pursuit of achieving military victory over them. "Opportunist" indicates a flexible approach in which opponents are alternately engaged with and opposed to achieve maximum possible gain. "Defensive" indicates a non-confrontational approach and a focus on defending existing gains rather than expanding outward.
[] [MIL] Belligerent
[] [MIL] Opportunist
[] [MIL] Defensive
Government Stance
This is your party's stance on how best to exercise government authority. "Centralization" advocates for power to be wielded by a strong central government capable of overriding localities. "Devolution" advocates for a middle ground in which the central government reserves powers to itself but grants localities the ability to self-govern. "Localism" advocates for localities to have explicit and reserved powers in their own right.
[] [GOVT] Centralization
[] [GOVT] Devolution
[] [GOVT] Localism
Professional Groups
There are seven broad categories of German citizen listed below. In order of preference, pick the three to whom your party caters most specifically.
[] [PRO1] ???
[] [PRO2] ???
[] [PRO3] ???
Agricultural Workers
Farmers and rural workers.
Career Soldiers
Full-time military personnel, enlisted or officers.
Educated Professionals
Intellectuals, lawyers, scientists.
Industrial Workers
Factory workers and skilled artisans.
Manual Laborers
Infrastructure workers and vehicle operators.
Public Officials
Bureaucrats, politicians, and other government workers.
Service Workers
Doctors, nurses, teachers, caretakers.
This is your party's stance on international commerce. "Protectionism" means high tariffs and a focus on domestic economic growth. "Commercial Bloc" means implementing tariffs and economic cooperation based on a nation's standing or ideological soundness, with an emphasis on allied trade. "Fair Trade" means lower tariffs and extending commercial and financial ties abroad with all willing partners who are not actively hostile.
[] [TRADE] Protectionism
[] [TRADE] Commercial Bloc
[] [TRADE] Fair Trade
Economic Stance
This is your party's stance on the preferred method for venture operations. All methods include revenue sharing and worker management. "State Direction" advocates for centralized sectors with government-directed planning. "Cooperativism" advocates for an economy run by mid-sized cooperatives working independently. "Yeomanry" advocates for an economy made up of small single-family or individual ventures.
[] [ECON] State Direction
[] [ECON] Cooperativism
[] [ECON] Yeomanry
Religious Stance
This is your party's stance on religious affairs. "Atheism" indicates a government that actively excludes religious organizations and movements from public life. "Secularism" indicates a government that does not integrate religious organizations into its operations but also does not interfere with their operation. "Pluralism" indicates a government that explicitly tolerates multiple religions and attempts to incorporate them into government business.
[] [CHURCH] Atheism
[] [CHURCH] Secularism
[] [CHURCH] Pluralism
Diplomatic Stance
This is your party's stance on the world order. "Internationalism" advocates for the eventual abolition of national boundaries and the formation of a single global community. "Cooperation" advocates for a union or alliance of nations working together diplomatically. "Nationalism" advocates for pursuing national interests over other concerns.
[] [DIPLO] Internationalism
[] [DIPLO] Cooperation
[] [DIPLO] Nationalism
Military Stance
This is your party's stance on how the military's deployment and posture. "Belligerent" indicates actively seeking conflict with ideological and national opponents in pursuit of achieving military victory over them. "Opportunist" indicates a flexible approach in which opponents are alternately engaged with and opposed to achieve maximum possible gain. "Defensive" indicates a non-confrontational approach and a focus on defending existing gains rather than expanding outward.
[] [MIL] Belligerent
[] [MIL] Opportunist
[] [MIL] Defensive
Government Stance
This is your party's stance on how best to exercise government authority. "Centralization" advocates for power to be wielded by a strong central government capable of overriding localities. "Devolution" advocates for a middle ground in which the central government reserves powers to itself but grants localities the ability to self-govern. "Localism" advocates for localities to have explicit and reserved powers in their own right.
[] [GOVT] Centralization
[] [GOVT] Devolution
[] [GOVT] Localism
Professional Groups
There are seven broad categories of German citizen listed below. In order of preference, pick the three to whom your party caters most specifically.
[] [PRO1] ???
[] [PRO2] ???
[] [PRO3] ???
Agricultural Workers
Farmers and rural workers.
Career Soldiers
Full-time military personnel, enlisted or officers.
Educated Professionals
Intellectuals, lawyers, scientists.
Industrial Workers
Factory workers and skilled artisans.
Manual Laborers
Infrastructure workers and vehicle operators.
Public Officials
Bureaucrats, politicians, and other government workers.
Service Workers
Doctors, nurses, teachers, caretakers.
There will be a 24-hour moratorium. Please vote by plan, with a maximum of SIX planks, representing the proposed manifesto for your faction. Each plank should be at most two concise sentences. For my ease of understanding and everyone else's, please ensure that your plan has a name that is completely distinctive from all the others, especially if it iterates off another plan.
Please be sure to rank your manifesto planks in order of importance. The most-important plank should be at the top and the least-important at the bottom. This will assist me in coalition-building.
When assembling a coalition manifesto, party planks which are considered "harmonious" with each other may be merged, while planks which are considered "opposed" to each other may be nullified. The party with the largest share of the vote will see most or all of its non-opposed planks enacted, while those with lesser vote shares may only be able to enact their top-most planks. Even those parties not included in the governing coalition may have the opportunity to see their top-most priority enacted.
Finally, if you want to see one or more of your party's traits changed, please include the option you want in the plan. You may only select one of the listed traits; do not make your own. I reserve the right to refuse trait changes if I consider them implausible or somehow counter to the overall intent of the party.
Below is an example plan. Please do not vote for it.
[] The Hyper-Revanchist Party
-[] Vienna by Christmas
--[] Invade France.
--[] Annex the Netherlands.
--[] Send arms to Poland.
--[] Enlist every man, woman, and child into the army.
--[] Pass out jaunty hats to raise national morale.
--[] Make defeatism a capital offense.
--[] [TRADE] Protectionism
Astra Myst
Do you want a wish?
- Location
- Milky Way Galaxy
- Pronouns
- Femhon/Boymoder
[] The Radical Party
-[] Vienna by Christmas
-[] Vienna by Christmas
So for Cooperatives I am thinking
[] The Cooperative Party
-[] Provisional Plan
--[] Whatever voucher thing Nyvis works out
I think it's fair to give this no.1
--[] Socialist Adaptation Committees
We can rephrase better later but the basic idea is acknowledging that the material conditions, and the idea of what is possible, is different in Germany to almost anywhere else in the world right now. The idea is committees of recent migrants suggesting how we can help them get up to speed and suggesting how we might help everyone adapt when the revolution comes to their homelands.
--[] Outreach to "Gypsy, Romani and Traveller" (GRT) families, and other potentially nomadic people, so that we can better understand what socialism can do for them. This is probably going to incidentally help anarchist groups too but they aren't the main focus.
--[] 4
--[] 5
--[] 6
Not sure what the last 3 could be, but I would imagine at least one goes to a war themed focus. Maybe something to do with supporting fishing communities who are about to lose all their sons in a naval battle?
[] The Cooperative Party
-[] Provisional Plan
--[] Whatever voucher thing Nyvis works out
I think it's fair to give this no.1
--[] Socialist Adaptation Committees
We can rephrase better later but the basic idea is acknowledging that the material conditions, and the idea of what is possible, is different in Germany to almost anywhere else in the world right now. The idea is committees of recent migrants suggesting how we can help them get up to speed and suggesting how we might help everyone adapt when the revolution comes to their homelands.
--[] Outreach to "Gypsy, Romani and Traveller" (GRT) families, and other potentially nomadic people, so that we can better understand what socialism can do for them. This is probably going to incidentally help anarchist groups too but they aren't the main focus.
--[] 4
--[] 5
--[] 6
Not sure what the last 3 could be, but I would imagine at least one goes to a war themed focus. Maybe something to do with supporting fishing communities who are about to lose all their sons in a naval battle?
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The economy is doing well, so might as well push some more… cultural pursuits.
[] The Social Democratic Party
-[] Books and Games DRAFT
--[] Establish numerous dedicated engineering colleges and institutes to slowly build up the expertise necessary for continued expansion of the economy. The curriculum will include mandatory classes on military engineering.
--[] Create many public libraries around the whole country, so that German citizens can use their newfound literacy to it's maximum potential.
--[] To promote athletic ability and the power of humanity's drive for excellence by having the Republican Alliance initiate a modern version of the Olympic Games.
--[] Increase existing IDB investments in Hispanophone countries & expand the scope of IDB's initiative of encouraging cooperative-ization through investments towards all of Germany's trade partners.
--[] Create a new German naval academy in Hamburg, to promote German naval tradition and to work on improving our naval doctrines.
--[] Propose the unification of our foreign exchange currencies within our alliance, with an organization to oversee its reserves which will be bimetal at the outset. Clarify the potential to add other revolutionary republics later.
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The last bracket(s) I'm leaving open for potential bi-partisan proposals by other parties. Anyways, constructive criticism/suggestions are appreciated.
[] The Social Democratic Party
-[] Books and Games DRAFT
--[] Establish numerous dedicated engineering colleges and institutes to slowly build up the expertise necessary for continued expansion of the economy. The curriculum will include mandatory classes on military engineering.
--[] Create many public libraries around the whole country, so that German citizens can use their newfound literacy to it's maximum potential.
--[] To promote athletic ability and the power of humanity's drive for excellence by having the Republican Alliance initiate a modern version of the Olympic Games.
--[] Increase existing IDB investments in Hispanophone countries & expand the scope of IDB's initiative of encouraging cooperative-ization through investments towards all of Germany's trade partners.
--[] Create a new German naval academy in Hamburg, to promote German naval tradition and to work on improving our naval doctrines.
--[] Propose the unification of our foreign exchange currencies within our alliance, with an organization to oversee its reserves which will be bimetal at the outset. Clarify the potential to add other revolutionary republics later.
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The last bracket(s) I'm leaving open for potential bi-partisan proposals by other parties. Anyways, constructive criticism/suggestions are appreciated.
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one of them should be supporting revolutniatry groups maybe the not poland maoist? supporting anchaisrt groups there?
what about some revoluntiarty plank with trying to support reovltunairty groups in ottomans and japan for example? everyone would be onboard with that
@Etranger just pinging you since I think you missed this with the doot being posted right after it
You've been outflanked by the vanguards on point 5. Education (including apprenticeships) is already paid as work. No way your offer is going to be better than that