Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

"Live, live for me!"

Whether by succubus' magic or just the ultimate desire of all mortal men to live, no matter what pacts they might have sworn or what their masters may have asked of them the broken spy does. His clothes are soaked through with blood, you realize distantly. All of his bones had been trying to rip their way out of his body.
Did she just boost his willpower or was that counterspelling?
 
As far as the world is concerned, we are "who even knows? Because hell doesn't. Some manner of ancient godbeast. Did Carpenter's wife cheat on him with the Dragon or something?"
Nah. As far as Hell is concerned, who knows.
As far as everyone who isn't Hell is concerned, Hell is obviously lying and we're a Hell Princess :V
Will of Kakuri is probably much better studied for Emma-O's knowledge of Exaltation. And his sword for knowledge of how such artifice is made. Though ok, maybe how akuma are made in detail could be useful too. It's too unique for generic questions about chi feeding. For that, we could use one of the mook akuma we killed or photos of other akuma.
We can simultaneously study the body for its capabilities and use it as a Crown focus for ONE question.
I think.
It seems likely the August Personage of Jade is another name for God. In which case we can't ask about Him.

And we don't know any particular reason to think their origin is different to their canon one. Originally the Wan Xian, then cursed by the August Personage of Jade not to have breath of their own and for the tests to become one to be escaping from a hell, and then later cursed again by the mortal and first of the Shih, Yi the Excellent Archer to fear and rot in the sun.

These are two or three different curses.
We'll see I guess.
And that testing would find nothing.

The fact that gifted knife actually worked when the red court is known for being backstabbers and have been for longer than Molly has been alive underscores a certain lack of paranoia.
One more time, then I have to go run errands.

Assuming there's a hundred thousand Whampires worldwide, and that Molly is producing enough potion to feed ten thousand Whampires each month; assuming each potion is equivalent to a meal of MMP which will feed a person for a week, that's forty thousand potions a month.

Do you expect them to test each one individually? Do you expect them to test every batch monthly, even?
How do you tell that the person

You aren't wrapping your head around the logistics involved and how easy it is to slip shit into an industrial process.
Even if Molly isn't playing games, that someone won't attempt to dose shit she's made in between manufacture and delivery to endusers.
The fact that gifted knife actually worked when the red court is known for being backstabbers and have been for longer than Molly has been alive underscores a certain lack of paranoia.
My dude.
Peabody managed to mindfuck the entire junior rolls of the Wardens in the heart of the White Council's power, and to influence the Senior Council with nothing more than alchemical inks.

Its not a lack of paranoia, its that when you are playing with the big boys, they can pull feats that are literally out of myth.

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One more time, then I have to go run errands.

Assuming there's a hundred thousand Whampires worldwide, and that Molly is producing enough potion to feed ten thousand Whampires each month; assuming each potion is equivalent to a meal of MMP which will feed a person for a week, that's forty thousand potions a month.

Do you expect them to test each one individually? Do you expect them to test every batch monthly, even?
How do you tell that the person

You aren't wrapping your head around the logistics involved and how easy it is to slip shit into an industrial process.
Even if Molly isn't playing games, that someone won't attempt to dose shit she's made in between manufacture and delivery to endusers.
I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. I want to spread MMA meals among the vampire courts with instructions that they shouldn't feed it to regular humans.

Yes they can worry about it being poisoned or whatever, but they have no way of figuring out that it makes Molly's social check easier on them. Especially when we already have a more powerful effect doing that which confuses the issue.
 
Nah. As far as Hell is concerned, who knows.
As far as everyone who isn't Hell is concerned, Hell is obviously lying and we're a Hell Princess :V
But seriously, no. Gard has no f*cking idea. And she spent Marcone's money to research what Molly is. Odin has some idea, and it isn't hell-connected. Mab has some idea, maybe. Everyone else? We basically only interacted with Harry, and he knows this isn't hell connected directly.
Its not a lack of paranoia, its that when you are playing with the big boys, they can pull feats that are literally out of myth.
And yet no one was prepared for that. There are no institutional procedural measures in place to counter that. The gift-giving tradition is a thing practiced far and wide. So, yes, there's a lack of paranoia.

[X] Try to get the spy under wards
-[X] To Harry, you trust him to have your back
-[X] Pour healing potion down his throat anyway
-[X] Use flight with Wind-Born Stride to get to Harry faster
-[X] Have Lydia and Lara follow
--[X] STUNT: As the empty bottle of healing potion you threw into the trashbin from bounces off its corners, you are already moving towards the back exit, the man held in a bridal carry, and a command to Clippy to contact Harry on your lips. The moment you are in the alley behind the shop, you take to the sky, the wind embracing you as only a beloved sibling could.
 
We know now that he rolls 15 in occult at least, which means that we will need excellencies to fight him at that.
Depends on modifiers we can't currently quantify. If it was in a prepared ritual space or place of power, that might have given a dice bonus. Also, we know that Naagloshii are significantly more powerful in their home territory than elsewhere, and it could have easily been observing its spy from its home, wherever that may be. I wonder just how much control the Naagloshii had over the spy; was it merely observing through his eyes or was he a telepresence meat drone?

Actually, the Naagloshii operating in this manner, using a special purpose spy modified for the job, makes sense when you consider their limitations. This unfortunate dude, and possibly others who have undergone similar modifications, can act as its eyes, ears, and and arms while it stays safe in its home territory. Slick way to project power without suffering from the effects of continual magic drain when operating outside their turf.
 
I am tempted to also ask Harry to prepare the ritual space so we can do exorcism. It is supposed to disrupt magical control too, not just possession, so it might work here.
 
That would be handing information about the sapphire ritual of exorcism to yet another faction, this one the outsiders. I'd prefer to expend that shot with Maeve.
 
That would be handing information about the sapphire ritual of exorcism to yet another faction, this one the outsiders. I'd prefer to expend that shot with Maeve.
? The man is not an outsider related. He's a naagloshii spy. Now, naagloshii might be Nemesis tainted, that would make sense, but we have no direct evidence for that.
 
I think we'd need Emerald Countermagic rather than Exorcism to deal with this.

He's not possessed, he's under the effect of a spell.
 
Like Lara said the Hunger limits them. I could see Whampire Wizards trying to replicate our potion to create some kind of monopoly and consolidate power by avoiding some of the risk inherit in Hunger. I'm sure there's other possibilities I can't come up with rn but giving the other guys a potion to become less "predictable" as Lara puts it seems like a nogo in the long run if they crack it.
If they crack the code on it then they can make it, but they can't establish a monopoly over something that other people are already supplying.

The court already has highly centralized power anyway, so in terms of their internal political structures I'm sure it would shuffle who had power around, but I'm not sure it would really consolidate it any further than it already is.

It's also worth noting that the predictability Lara is talking about is in how they hunt down and eat people. Being better able to compete against other predators but less dependent on actually killing mortals to do so isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially since we're an active player here, so it's not like we need to sit on our hands as things change.

Something like this would need actively managed, but there isn't an approach that would effect meaningful change that doesn't require that.

Risk management would be an essential part of responsibly doing anything at all on this scale.
Lydia looks downright disgusted at the thought, but she does not refuse outright, no doubt considering just as you are the time it would take to get under any decent wards. Does the bloody skinwalker care about exposure? On the one hand it had sent an invisible spy, on the other hand that same spy had been cursed to gruesomely tear themselves apart if captured.
Any reason we can't go for the wards and kill him if he looks like he's going to croak?

Or convince him to make a new deal with Lydia for afterlife escort services right now so that she can claim his soul even if the skinwalker is the one to finish him.
 
I think we'd need Emerald Countermagic rather than Exorcism to deal with this.

He's not possessed, he's under the effect of a spell.
Exorcism does more than remove possession:
This spell
terminates possession by spirits and ghosts, mind and
spirit-riding with powers such as high-level Animalism
or Dominate, the Dragon-Blooded Charm Sense-Rid-
ing Method, and so on.
Naagloshii is clearly using something to access this man's senses, otherwise it couldn't have reacted to the man being discovered. The exorcism would at least remove that sensory link (I think). Or it wouldn't, if naagloshii is just constantly running some sort of scrying ritual...
 
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Hello there Broken Seeker. How kind of you to show your face on Halloween.
Your involvement here probably counts as another supernatural secret worth +2 Essence.
But I dont know if we have had a scene change.

Its prompt reaction suggests that it was live-streaming this poor sap's perceptions, and promptly tried to kill him when he was discovered. This is not an automated reaction.

The fact that it tried to have the man killed means that the man alive has information that the Naagloshii would find inconvenient if it leaked out.
That means we want him alive.

70% chance of a car chase inbound. Unfortunately, its mid-morning and we're in the Chicago business district.
Thankfully its Halloween, so any glowing or shit might be written off as something staged for the day.
Gonna need to darken our number plates though, or at least have Clippy and the cyberdevils fuck with the traffic cameras.

Harry's place is closer and probably more secure.
Not just because of Harry's wards, or Harry, but because Mouse is there, and Mouse has a type advantage on his home turf.
But it is the place where the naagloshii can send cops to in order to flush us out. Too many civies in the line of fire.

Pass.

Lara's place is outside Chicago for if we want to take this opportunity to blow this entire thing wide open and have a proper, shintai-active fight when the naagloshii comes for him.
Just ask Harry and Michael to meet us there.

Potential minion get. Sorcerous one at that.
Nothing quite as likely to break allegiances as your boss trying to kill you.
Dude's probably Native American anyway, I'm guessing.

Wherever we go, Lara's coming with.
Else there's a significant chance that the naagloshii collects her as a consolation prize
And we cant afford the disruption.
Huh.
??? + Occult 15 gives us an estimate for the sort of high end dice pools we are looking at when this thing shows up.
Gonna be a decent workout.

[X] Try to get the spy under wards
-[X] To Harry, you trust him to have your back
-[X] Pour healing potion down his throat anyway
-[X] Use flight with Wind-Born Stride to get to Harry faster
-[X] Have Lydia and Lara follow
--[X] STUNT: As the empty bottle of healing potion you threw into the trashbin from bounces off its corners, you are already moving towards the back exit, the man held in a bridal carry, and a command to Clippy to contact Harry on your lips. The moment you are in the alley behind the shop, you take to the sky, the wind embracing you as only a beloved sibling could.
Terrible idea.
1) Its daytime. Flying around in daytime has a high risk of ending up on video

2)You do not encumber yourself with a passenger when you have incoming opposition who can fly at supernatural speeds and cast Senior Council-tier magic. And which almost certainly has a magical LoJack tracker on this dude's body.
We are not likely to be reaching Harry's place without being intercepted and having a combat encounter.

And Harry's place is not a great location in this scenario.
Fortified against magic. Not so much against a naagloshii call to people in the police department that it saw a missing person/unconscious man being lugged into his apartment. Or to the fire department. Or just arson.

The bad guys done this shit before, when we showed up with Gorfels and after the assassination failed, they sent Lt Greene to knock on our door. They'll do it again.
Lara's estate looks like a better option for free fire. We dont have to worry about civilians.

I am tempted to also ask Harry to prepare the ritual space so we can do exorcism. It is supposed to disrupt magical control too, not just possession, so it might work here.
Call Michael.
Breaking this sort of black magic possession is literally in his bailiwick.
 
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Small note on the matter of in-flight encumbrance, while it you would have to physically hold whatever you are flying with, in the case of a bleeding spy rather cumbersome, the weight does not mean anything to Molly's flight. She flies with the speed of Charms, which does not concern itself with such mundane details as weight.
 
Terrible idea.
1) Its daytime. Flying around in daytime has a high risk of ending up on video
2)You do not encumber yourself with a passenger when you have incoming opposition who can fly at supernatural speeds and cast Senior Council-tier magic. And which almost certainly has a magical LoJack tracker on this dude's body.
We are not reaching Harry's place without being intercepted and having a combat encounter.

And Harry's place is not a great location in this scenario.
Fortified against magic. Not so much against a naagloshii call to people in the police department that it saw a missing person/unconscious man being lugged into his apartment. Or to the fire department. Or just arson.

The bad guys done this shit before, when we showed up with Gorfels and after the assassination failed, they sent Lt Greene to knock on our door. They'll do it again.
Lara's estate looks like a better option for free fire. We dont have to worry about civilians.
I considered that it's daytime. It's 2006. Mobile phones with cameras worth a damn are rare still. Get a couple hundred meters into the air, and go pedal to the metal in Harry's direction - the risk of detection is minimal. The ability (and willingness) of naagloshii to directly confront us is also arguable. But flight is certainly not a problem at all. We can rise straight up to about a kilometer in seconds, and then move to where we want in a straight line. We can totally superman this sh*t.

As to it calling the police... I personally doubt it would, and if it will, we lawyer up.
 
I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. I want to spread MMA meals among the vampire courts with instructions that they shouldn't feed it to regular humans.

Yes they can worry about it being poisoned or whatever, but they have no way of figuring out that it makes Molly's social check easier on them. Especially when we already have a more powerful effect doing that which confuses the issue.

Yes and it would be very hard to get rid of with mortal magic since it is the Exaltation going 'mine now'.

That said it would be noted that -1 isn't that much, it is noticeable improvement of goodwill and deference on someone's part, but to give a contrast something invoking an intimacy is +2/+3 to the opposed will roll.
Taking a wish from you would leave a mark in his magic under the Sight even if he does not take the three to make him a Creature of Darkness
MMP isn't a stealth charm any more than VEE is. I don't see why it's influence, which is explicitly a permanent supernatural effect you can poke with magic but probably not actually remove, is any different.

With a sufficient build up and something that legitimately doesn't have a goon for them to find I think there's a chance, not something that actually has something to find.
 
Small note on the matter of in-flight encumbrance, while it you would have to physically hold whatever you are flying with, in the case of a bleeding spy rather cumbersome, the weight does not mean anything to Molly's flight. She flies with the speed of Charms, which does not concern itself with such mundane details as weight.
Not weight. Arms.
Molly has no ranged combat abilities, and only two arms; she needs one arm for her sword and the other for her shield.
She cant carry a person as things stand in a combat encounter without taking maluses.

If she had the TK charm, she might have been able to do it without issue.
But not as things stand.
I considered that it's daytime. It's 2006. Mobile phones with cameras worth a damn are rare still. Get a couple hundred meters into the air, and go pedal to the metal in Harry's direction - the risk of detection is minimal. The ability (and willingness) of naagloshii to directly confront us is also arguable. But flight is certainly not a problem at all. We can rise straight up to about a kilometer in seconds, and then move to where we want in a straight line. We can totally superman this sh*t.

As to it calling the police... I personally doubt it would, and if it will, we lawyer up.
I doubt that.
Could be wrong, but I have my doubts, at least mid-morning in Chicago airspace with an uncovered face.

The naagloshii attacked Listens to Wind in canon. It came to Demonreach.
It has no trouble attacking us. Especially since we have No. Ranged. Combat. Ability. It might have a preference for melee, but it could pace us at 20 yards and beam spam us at will and we'd be able to do fuckall about it.

The bad guys called Greene and two other cops to Harry's place after they tried to shoot Gorfels and failed. Framing Dresden for Greene's death was done by the naagloshii. Its been done before in this quest, it will be done again. Your lawyering up doesnt matter if they bring the dude out and the naagloshii kills him on the way to the hospital, or in the hospital.

Even easier is to simply set the building on fire with a couple gallons of petrol and have the fire department show up to get everybody out, or call in a gas leak.
Dresden's neighbors are old people. There is a proximate risk of collateral here.
 
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