Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Besides, you cant get enough explosive to knock down a skyscraper into a human portable package without using nukes.
Not with mundane explosives, sure, but if we're dealing with something more esoteric, it could well do that. Would be rather obvious, but they might reason that if their spy is being attacked, the jig is already up and they might as well take out as many of their foes as they can.
 
Not with mundane explosives, sure, but if we're dealing with something more esoteric, it could well do that. Would be rather obvious, but they might reason that if their spy is being attacked, the jig is already up and they might as well take out as many of their foes as they can.
Nah.
That is the sort of thing that would have shown up on Hellscry Chakra + All Things Betray.
I dont think we have to worry about man portable magic mini nukes here.
 
That is the sort of thing that would have shown up on Hellscry Chakra + All Things Betray.
Would we necessarily have recognized it as such, if it was something we (and Usum) had never encountered before? I mean, we did (possibly) recognize it as potentially explosive as well.
 
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Furthermore, the White Court dont have anything that Molly is aware that she might want.
Money? She can make. Artifacts? She can make.
People access? Nobody Molly currently wants to talk to, or that I can think of that she wants to talk to.
People access in the future would be the main thing, or political favors when dealing with other major powers. Right now we don't have a specific need, but the white court know someone pretty much everywhere and we could use that while branching out into the broader community.

I was mostly thinking about somehow wrangling this into a favor we could cash in to get the white court's signature if we decide to apply to the Accords. Which I think we probably should at some point, assuming there isn't anything too bullshit in them, especially with our hell on the horizon.

If we're an Accorded Nation they have rights in the mortal world. If we aren't they don't.
shouldn't see as a threat to herself (tablecloth)
This doesn't seem necessary. We can summon Usum as part of an attack rather than pulling him early, so we could have him present only at the last second and gone immediately after we're done incapacitating the spy.
 
People access in the future would be the main thing, or political favors when dealing with other major powers. Right now we don't have a specific need, but the white court know someone pretty much everywhere and we could use that while branching out into the broader community.

I was mostly thinking about somehow wrangling this into a favor we could cash in to get the white court's signature if we decide to apply to the Accords. Which I think we probably should at some point, assuming there isn't anything too bullshit in them, especially with our hell on the horizon.

If we're an Accorded Nation they have rights in the mortal world. If we aren't they don't.
Couldn't think of a way to wrangle it as a favor. And at this point it just seems like overplaying our hand.
I'll take the non-aggression for the moment while we improve our bargaining position.

Applying to the Accords as a Freeholding Lord requires three sponsors:
We have Harry for the White Council as the first, and can probably get Monoc as the second. Third could be Mab, or Lily.
If we need it to be the White Court, we could simply tell Lara which members of her Court have Outsider influence.

This doesn't seem necessary. We can summon Usum as part of an attack rather than pulling him early, so we could have him present only at the last second and gone immediately after we're done incapacitating the spy.
Isn't a threat to Lara. And is a grapple weapon to boot
We can use the tablecloth to grapple, bind and restrain the target and still have the option of drawing our sword later.
 
We can do bashing with the flat, or take off a limb. If we do it finely enough we can probably reattach it with TTC and potions later.
We want them disabled but conscious for interrogation. That kinda limits the options here.
Hence my preference for mechanical disablement without neurological trauma; dislocate a shoulder or a hip, pop a kneecap, bind the arms.

Also, with the description of the watcher being fury and excitement in a container of discipline?
And subsequent theory crafting about magical instability due to whatever magic enhancement he's under, cutting off a limb with a magical Agg weapon seems like one of those things we might want to avoid if we can.

PS
I just remembered that the Fomor made veiled assassin creatures in Battle Grounds.
There was a harsh buzzing sound that started faintly and grew louder in a rush. I moved without thinking. I swept my right arm out and shoved Mab behind me as my left came up, my will coalescing into a shield aimed primarily at the sky. I barely got the shield together in time for something behind a veil, diving at approximately peregrine falcon speeds, to splatter itself across a good three-foot-radius area of invisible force.
Even as I watched, maybe six or seven pounds of . . . meat, mostly, kind of appeared from behind a shattered veil and slid slowly down the sphere-shaped plane of my shield. It landed on the ground with a wet, slapping sound. I stared down at the remnants of the thing.
It looked like some kind of mix of a bat, a lizard, and a squid, all rubbery and leathery and grey and pink, like ground beef left out too long. It smelled absolutely foul, as if some kind of venom bladder had been ruptured. Parts of some yellowish mucus were actively dissolving the flesh of the creature as it died, and its tentacles were thrashing, sliming more of the stuff onto the castle's roof, where it sparked and sputtered against the warded stone.
I lowered the shield warily and rose from my crouch. "What the hell was that?"
Suddenly I became acutely aware that the Queen of Air and Darkness was pressed against my back, and I was holding her there with one arm in a fashion that could accurately be described as undignified. I moved my hand hurriedly and glanced back at the monarch of the Sidhe. "Are you all right?"
Mab met my gaze, her eyes all but glowing. I looked away quickly. Her eyes shifted to Ebenezar, something triumphant in them, and she murmured, "Yes. Well done, my Knight."
"I mean, you're immortal, right?" I said. "Why would you need a bodyguard anyway?"
She nodded toward the yellowish mucus sputtering on the stones. "Something meant to weaken or incapacitate me for the coming battle, doubtless," she said. "Immortality offers a significant advantage, but it is no substitute for intelligence. Remember that, young wizard."

Battle Ground Chapter 6, Page 49-50
That settles it.
This is a Fomor servitor.
 
Nah.
That is the sort of thing that would have shown up on Hellscry Chakra + All Things Betray.
I dont think we have to worry about man portable magic mini nukes here.

Hellscry is powerful, in that you just see all creatures of darkness, no roll and then you get an easy roll to tell what it is, but that is all it shows, creatures, it is the minion finder 5000. There are some edge cases, if someone has a magical object wired into their brain you would see it reflected on their aura for instance, but other than that you do not see things they may be carrying.
 
Hellscry is powerful, in that you just see all creatures of darkness, no roll and then you get an easy roll to tell what it is, but that is all it shows, creatures, it is the minion finder 5000. There are some edge cases, if someone has a magical object wired into their brain you would see it reflected on their aura for instance, but other than that you do not see things they may be carrying.
Huh. Fair enough.
Better go edit Steel Skin into the suite of effects that Molly is bringing up then, just in case.
More room for error.
 
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  • [X]Plan Fisher Queen
    -[X] Agree, you are going to have to make some kind of formal deals with the local supernatural scene eventually and this one would not ask anything of you that your morals do not forbid anyway
    -[X]Attack the Watcher, restraint and disable non lethally
    -[X]Run through pockets and clothes for items of interest
    -[X]Interrogate; Empathy or Intimidate Excellencies if necessary
    -[X]Melee Excellency + VLE + Steelskin: 3m
    -[X]STUNT: You look at Lydia for a moment, then meet Lara's eyes again."Seems reasonable. Sure." Underneath the table, you grip the table cloth on the table by one end and raise a finger. "Excuse me for a minute." You explode upwards, the leading edge of the tablecloth scything ahead of you at supersonic speeds as your green-shrouded form lunges at the watcher. The improvised weapon curls around the veiled figure's neck and arms and tightens, a moment before you crash into its back with bone-dislocating force. Then you grapple, twisting in the air to bring the body down to the ground with your knee in their sternum. A smile slides onto your face as you look at your captive. Its not a nice smile. "Hello there."
    [X] Refuse, you are not going to let her leverage your presence for more influence, unlike Thomas his sister is definitely not one of the good guys
    -[X] I look forward to meeting those Elders who haven't used their centuries to learn their limits.
    [X] Agree, you are going to have to make some kind of formal deals with the local supernatural scene eventually and this one would not ask anything of you that your morals do not forbid anyway
    [X] Agree, you are going to have to make some kind of formal deals with the local supernatural scene eventually and this one would not ask anything of you that your morals do not forbid anyway
    -[X] Claim members of the Order of Cauldron as yours
    -[X] Disable the Watcher, non lethally
    --[X]Melee excellency, Windborn stride
    -[X] STUNT: "Very well. Me and mine will not attack you and yours, as long as you do the same to those who find themselves under my aegis. It is always better to resolve issues at the negotiation table. " - you say, before adding: "and because we are all such good friends now, a favor", and you are exploding out of your seat, the chair skidding back, and the room bathed in the ethereal glow of your anima, the sword in your hand striking, for once with a flat of its blade, at the hidden watcher, not to kill, but to disable.
    [X] Agree, you are going to have to make some kind of formal deals with the local supernatural scene eventually and this one would not ask anything of you that your morals do not forbid anyway
    -[X] Stunt: Agreed. So said you stab the spy. Consider this a gesture of good will.
    -[X] Melee excellency, flare anima.
    -[X] After spy killed, Crown question on spy: What are the current plans of the ones who sent him.
    [X] Lara... may I make you a counteroffer. How would you like to take over the white court so they do not come into conflict with me? I am willing to agree to a truce... but I would like to keep an oar in. You know exactly what the baseline perks of the job are, and that's just the baseline. I am not without powers beyond that, and I am willing to help those aligned with me in their interests. So... how about it. I am not so stubborn or prideful to not be willing to bend. How about it? Are you willing to serve my interests by acting as if I am your pawn, all the while working to create a world where we exist together... after all, service to you would be service to me under the right circumstances. I would like a world where all of the white court is free from the beast riding behind their brain. I am willing to work through you to make that happen.
    -[x] drive off, capture, or kill spy first.
 
Yes it would stack. Adds an average of 2-3 soak extra.
It adds an additional turn, though. Because we can only spend two motes per turn at E2. And if we are making two turns, we might as well use wind-born stride.
Furthermore, the White Court dont have anything that Molly is aware that she might want.
We can extract the understanding that minor practitioners are under our protection. That's an important one, it makes joining Molly (Order of Cauldron) a very good idea for minor practitioners.
 
Also, with the description of the watcher being fury and excitement in a container of discipline?
And subsequent theory crafting about magical instability due to whatever magic enhancement he's under, cutting off a limb with a magical Agg weapon seems like one of those things we might want to avoid if we can.
It's only Agg if we want it to be.

We can extract the understanding that minor practitioners are under our protection. That's an important one, it makes joining Molly (Order of Cauldron) a very good idea for minor practitioners.
I don't t really think that qualifies as a favor; it's more of a warning. We effectively signed on to the ordo's mutual defense agreement so attacks on them and their interests get the same response as direct attacks on us and ours.

It's the sort of thing we definitely need to at least mention, because you can't have a nonaggression pact without qualifying what counts as aggression.
 
I don't care for this deal at all but since the only thing we need is time it unfortunately makes sense.
[X]Plan Fisher Queen
 
I don't care for this deal at all but since the only thing we need is time it unfortunately makes sense.
[X]Plan Fisher Queen
What about it do you take issue with? The white court is a very screwed up organization, but it's also not the sort we can solve with the sword alone.

I think we legitimately have a shot at making a potion like the sort Lara thought we had, at which point a mixture of mass production* and targeted violence could start solving the issue without doing something genocidal or otherwise liable to break society as a whole.

My preference would be for us to take control while doing so, but as long as a majority of white vampires end up eating soy souls instead of authentic human ones we'll have won in the ways that matter most.


Even if that's all a pipe dream the point that killing alone won't solve the problem still stands. Fortunately for us, the white court would never sign a deal that takes political dickery off the table. So we can still act against them being bastards, just with more care.

Easiest way to start would be abusing the Ordo/Jade Dog connection to act as a shield to the vulnerable.

That could include disaffected members of the court too. Their internal politics is pretty cut throat, and if we play our cards right we could become "home base" for their internal games of tag. Which is excellent leverage for churning out favors as long as we're viewed as a safe organization to roll with.

Which we can turn into influence on pushing their operations around. Snip off the objectionable by maneuvering them into stuff like crossing a line we can off them over and replace with people who did a stint in our org before 'leaving' or family grateful we saved their idiot cousin from their political mistakes.

Make some side deals with people who have real morals like Thomas or that Malvora who exclusively eats at horror movies and we could slowly push out the rapists, murderers, and rampant sadists in a self perpetuating way.

It's slow, but a little bit of formal standing might be just the ticket to make real progress if we play our cards right.


* Ideally fueled by our hell somehow to make it relevant in a non combat way.
 
I think we legitimately have a shot at making a potion like the sort Lara thought we had, at which point a mixture of mass production* and targeted violence could start solving the issue without doing something genocidal or otherwise liable to break society as a whole.
MiS is inherently more mass producible than any potion, though. The only advantage the potion has over it is that others who are not Molly can in principle make it, thus allowing the entrenched nobility of the court to remain in power.
 
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I think we legitimately have a shot at making a potion like the sort Lara thought we had, at which point a mixture of mass production* and targeted violence could start solving the issue without doing something genocidal or otherwise liable to break society as a whole.
Not at all really potions do not last every extra success either makes another potion or makes it last a day longer. Even for Molly turning out a 4-5 dot potion full time maxes out at most 10-15 or so people. For anyone not an exalted your down to 1-2 potions, for a full scale operation with many people working, with a chance the potions will kill the person you make it for.
 
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MiS is inherently more mass producible than any potion, though. The only advantage the potion has over it is that others who are not Molly can in principle make it, thus allowing the entrenched nobility of the court to remain in power.
That's not the only advantage.

MiS can't fuel their abilities, and our other options can't necessarily scale themselves. A bottle-o-power is something that can be eaten quickly, stealthily, and ethically.

It also has the advantage of not requiring or enforcing loyalty towards us. Now we want to cultivate that, but it's important to think about this from the perspective of other people.

Most aren't going to be interested in switching employers right off the bat. If they were we aren't the only ones who could do something about the hunger if they're willing to pay the price.

Such a potion is a huge point of leverage that can be used to spread influence and acquire resources ourselves.

Then you work the game in stages; you start with a light touch that gets people involved and invested, then you draw them in one more step at a time. It's like adopting a feral cat; if you try to bring it inside by picking it up it'll run away, but feed it for a while and it'll get used to you and let you start to pet it and eventually life into the house.

Even with that there are inevitably going to be people who aren't interested in getting that close to us, who value their independence and direct interests over ours. For those people we can try to force the issue, but that has a lot of potential to backfire by poisoning our reputation and scaring off fence sitters.

Pursuing low level benign influence in a broad area lets us maximize our ability to effect change and reach people. The lower barriers of entry make it easier to get more people into our ecosystem, where we can work on drawing them deeper without driving them off.

On a general level, I feel like the thread has an issue with getting out of Molly's head. Pledging loyalty to a hell princess isn't exactly something people will jump into for a variety of reasons.

There's a reason all of our recruits are desperate people or otherwise in some sort of special case.

Not at all really potions do not last every extra success either makes another potion or makes it last a day longer. Even for Molly turning out a 4-5 dot potion full time maxes out at most 10-15 or so people. For anyone not an exalted your down to 1-2 potions, for a full scale operation with many people working, with a chance the potions will kill the person you make it for.
That depends a lot on details we don't have right now. Even if that is a concern as long as we don't exceed the known risks of alchemy it's an issue we can manage on a reputational level.

White vamps are the target group and they're pretty stupid tough, so soaking alchemy consequences is a lot more viable for them anyway.
 
MiS can't fuel their abilities, and our other options can't necessarily scale themselves. A bottle-o-power is something that can be eaten quickly, stealthily, and ethically.
MMP is the fuel their powers charm, and White Court at least can store massive amounts of energy just look how long the White King got by even cursed to be unable to eat. No clue about the others.
That depends a lot on details we don't have right now. Even if that is a concern as long as we don't exceed the known risks of alchemy it's an issue we can manage on a reputational level.

White vamps are the target group and they're pretty stupid tough, so soaking alchemy consequences is a lot more viable for them anyway.
Again Molly can only provide 10-15 potions a day working full time, ignoring 1 and with an excellency and craft speed up. You would need lots of mortals very high level Alchemy with a chance of botching the potions. And Botched potions are really bad, people will die if mortals are make such a potion.
 
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