We dont know how much Celerity she has, or how it works for Whampires.
She definitely cant run Celerity for a quarter of an hour, if I recall how it works correctly. Nor should she be burning juice when there's a skin walker on the way; she's going to need it.
Celerity has a passive bonus to Dexterity, even if you are currently not pumping blood to be super-fast.
Which makes sense, elder Vampires in the series definitly have great reflexes and are extremly dangerous melee-fighters as the baseline, as far as I can tell.
Thomas at least I know drives a variety of vehicles, from boats to cars. Up to a Hummer iirc.
He's probably not going to be better at this than Black Rider, because Rider is literally the car, which either counts for additional dice or much reduced DCs or both. Plus reaction times.
Eh, Rider should propably have a Drive stat like most Cyberdevils have Computer skills as our allies, but it won't be greater than the Dex+Drive pool of a vampire.
The reflexes of a supernatural monster and the perception enhanced with Auspex should be better than the baseline of a car by itself.
As for Thomas or Lara, just ask them which one wants to drive?
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)Would a church confer any protection?
I know it did against the Nightmare in canon; a girl taking refuge in St Mary's couldn't be reached by the Nightmare
2) Do we know where Michael is supposed to be this morning?
Against something this powerful and directed no. A church is not a magical bunker, in a way this feels almost like wizardry just from a particularly nasty source
He's at home, said he did not have to work today... realistically he is on standby in case something goes wrong.
Celerity has a passive bonus to Dexterity, even if you are currently not pumping blood to be super-fast.
Which makes sense, elder Vampires in the series definitly have great reflexes and are extremly dangerous melee-fighters as the baseline, as far as I can tell.
And IIRC, for anyone who isn't an Exalt, in V20 you dont have dots in a Skill, you're rolling at increased Difficulty.
Add to this the fact that if she hasn't been driving, she doesnt know the traffic routes and which are better at this time of the day.
Exalts break the rules for themselves, of course.
But this is one of those situations where I'd prefer Rider behind the wheel.
If nothing else, he can keep up to date with traffic conditions faster than Thomas can.
Besides, if the Watcher happens to be conscious enough, I'd prefer her next to him to get him to talk
Or to help Lydia attempt to prevent further attempts to curse him dead at a distance.
She's certainly the second best interrogator here after Molly.
Eh, Rider should propably have a Drive stat like most Cyberdevils have Computer skills as our allies, but it won't be greater than the Dex+Drive pool of a vampire. The reflexes of a supernatural monster and the perception enhanced with Auspex should be better than the baseline of a car by itself.
As for Thomas or Lara, just ask them which one wants to drive?
And the OODA loop of a spirit in the car CPU is going to be shorter than that of the vampire driving it; the vampire has to react, apply the controls and then the controls transmit all that to the car and the car responds.
The possessed car, otoh, cuts out a third or half of that loop and is tuning the balance of the vehicle in realtime.
Might be significant, might not.
We'll see what the QM has to say.
Against something this powerful and directed no. A church is not a magical bunker, in a way this feels almost like wizardry just from a particularly nasty source
He's at home, said he did not have to work today... realistically he is on standby in case something goes wrong.
Fair enough.
Raith estate it is. More room to stretch out and...play.
Couple more questions:
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)How do Lydia's wards compare?
2)How populated is the neighborhood where Lydia Rhi's house/estate is?
3)Is someone like Gard digestible enough to be at risk of being munchies for a skinwalker? So we know whether to shoot her a warning along with Cauldron?
4)How does Black Rider the cyberdevil compare as a driver to something like a noble or elder vampire along the lines of the Raith siblings?
And the OODA loop of a spirit in the car CPU is going to be shorter than that of the vampire driving it; the vampire has to react, apply the controls and then the controls transmit all that to the car and the car responds.
The possessed car, otoh, cuts out a third or half of that loop and is tuning the balance of the vehicle in realtime.
Might be significant, might not.
We'll see what the QM has to say.
I mean, in mechanical terms our Cyberdevil allies have neither a Dex score nor the Drive skill.
Of course the car should have a bit of that, but so far the only thing we've done with it are non-action drives, where no rolls apply.
Even if we call it 2+3, like the Cyberdevils have in Hacking, their absolutly best topic, and even if the car gets a reduced difficulty, that's still a lot smaller pool than say Thomas with DEX+Celerity+Drive propably has.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)How do Lydia's wards compare?
2)How populated is the neighborhood where Lydia Rhi's house/estate is?
3)Is someone like Gard digestible enough to be at risk of being munchies for a skinwalker? So we know whether to shoot her a warning along with Cauldron?
4)How does Black Rider the cyberdevil compare as a driver to something like a noble or elder vampire along the lines of the Raith siblings?
Well they were damaged by the Corpsetaker and then restored by Harry in a relatively short amount of time so probably weaker than Lara's, but they might be stronger than Harry's own just on the basis of being anchored to a stronger threshold
Less so than your usual suburb, estates tend to sprawl
On her own she would be, given than she had backup from the rest of Monoc up to and possibility including Odin she is a hard target
Considerably worse, he's a better than average driver (5 dice), an elder vampire might reasonably throw that many dice at the problem before even considering their driving skill.
Well they were damaged by the Corpsetaker and then restored by Harry in a relatively short amount of time so probably weaker than Lara's, but they might be stronger than Harry's own just on the basis of being anchored to a stronger threshold
Less so than your usual suburb, estates tend to sprawl
On her own she would be, given than she had backup from the rest of Monoc up to and possibility including Odin she is a hard target
Considerably worse, he's a better than average driver (5 dice), an elder vampire might reasonably throw that many dice at the problem before even considering their driving skill.
I mean, in mechanical terms our Cyberdevil allies have neither a Dex score nor the Drive skill.
Of course the car should have a bit of that, but so far the only thing we've done with it are non-action drives, where no rolls apply.
Even if we call it 2+3, like the Cyberdevils have in Hacking, their absolutly best topic, and even if the car gets a reduced difficulty, that's still a lot smaller pool than say Thomas with DEX+Celerity+Drive propably has.
QM confirms.
I've swapped out Rider driving with Thomas instead.
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on May 22, 2023 at 1:44 AM, finished with 58 posts and 11 votes.
[X] Try to get the spy under wards -[X] To Harry, you trust him to have your back -[X] Pour healing potion down his throat anyway -[X] Use flight with Wind-Born Stride to get to Harry faster -[X] Have Lydia and Lara follow --[X] STUNT: As the empty bottle of healing potion you threw into the trashbin from bounces off its corners, you are already moving towards the back exit, the man held in a bridal carry, and a command to Clippy to contact Harry on your lips. The moment you are in the alley behind the shop, you take to the sky, the wind embracing you as only a beloved sibling could.
[X]Plan Party Animal -[X]Try to get the spy under wards -[X] Lara's place, nothing quite like dealing with a cannibalistic cosmic abomination to bring new allies together -[X] Thomas, Molly, Lara, Lydia and the captive get into Black Rider and head for the Raith estate. -[X] Thomas drives with Rider's assist, Lara and Lydia guard the captive in the backseat, Molly rides shotgun so she can fly out the window to defend if they come under attack. -[X] Molly: Call Harry and Michael, update them both -[X] Lydia: Call Cauldron to keep their heads down -[X] Clippy: Alert Jade Dogs and other at-risk associates -[X] Cyberdevils: Cross reference captive's face against missing person's reports -[X] Warn Murphy as we promised to do, and Gard just in case. -[X] STUNT: The sleek form of Black Rider's chassis pulls up to the curb as you emerge from the service entrance, shield flat against your leg as you scan the area, then lead the way at a brisk pace. Thomas comes behind you, shoulder propping up the barely-conscious form of the watcher as Lydia and Lara bring up the rear. You stand guard, eyes and senses repeatedly sweeping the area as they strap the captive into the back and blindfold him before getting in, only stopping when Thomas straps himself into the driver's seat, a moment before you follow suit. "Thomas, floor it." Resting your shield against your knee as the car peels out, you pull out your phone with a sigh, meeting Lara's eyes in the passenger mirror."Okay, cliff notes. A skinwalker is a...."
How would we be detected? We are moving at > 50 meters per second. We are smaller than 2 meters long. We would be > 1 kilometer high (it would take us 20 seconds to get that high). Can you see someone's face from a kilometer away? Do you have a camera that can see someone's face from a kilometer away? The risk of observation is negligible. At most we'll spawn a new rumor.
And how often do people stare at the sky? And have a camera ready?
EDIT: Also, it would need to be able to track us precisely mid-flight to attack us in the air. It's far from a given that it can do so. Scrying is a ritual, it can't be easily done on the fly. It's not a given that it has real time tracking of the spy's location.
How would we be detected? We are moving at > 50 meters per second. We are smaller than 2 meters long. We would be > 1 kilometer high (it would take us 20 seconds to get that high). Can you see someone's face from a kilometer away? Do you have a camera that can see someone's face from a kilometer away? The risk of observation is negligible. At most we'll spawn a new rumor.
And how often do people stare at the sky? And have a camera ready?
And how would it know that?
EDIT: Also, it would need to be able to track us precisely mid-flight to attack us in the air. It's far from a given that it can do so. Scrying is a ritual, it can't be easily done on the fly. It's not a given that it has real time tracking of the spy's location.
1)This is not the middle of Nowhere, Nebraska, this is Chicago, the third largest city in the US after NYC and LA.
There are four airports here in this city, two of them international.
Traffic helicopters. News helicopters. Police helicopters. Civilian helicopters. And its daytime.
I think you are underestimating just how much air traffic and cameras there are in a major US city like this.
At least, thats my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
2)Because, as evidenced by the poor sap we have in our hands, the naagloshi has had operatives abroad in this city for months and been gathering intelligence while we've had multiple throwdowns? Because its a Senior Council-tier caster with potentially the same or broader spectrum of capabilities that have been in use for longer than the White Council has existed?
Because it simply summoned an information broker that would deal with it and asked around the local spirit world and no-one mentioned us ever using anything not a sword?
3)Because he is apparently literally responsible for at least the current form of the watcher's powers?
A thirty something year old wizard like Dresden, with maybe two decades of learning and practicing magic, can track Molly Carpenter across realms to Arctis Tor with a sample of her mother's hair/blood. The Summer Fae could track Dresden's precise location when he used fire magic in Small Favor because he'd channelled Summer Fire in one scene two years previously.
A millennia old not!god like a naagloshii, that has been wielding Power since before the birth of Christ, that apparently magically engineered the subject into an autonomous surveillance drone, and literally had its own magic inside the victim while it was using him as a Ring camera?
Can IMO, probably track his location in realtime with more accuracy than a military GPS system.
Might even still be streaming data from his senses, which is why I had him blindfolded in my plan.
Thats the other reason we want him behind wards.
I mean, seriously, it literally had a killswitch prepared to murder the dude within seconds of his discovery, and you dont think it can track him in realtime?
That it didn't LoJack him like a rental car?
1)This is not the middle of Nowhere, Nebraska, this is Chicago, the third largest city in the US after NYC and LA.
There are four airports here in this city, two of them international.
Traffic helicopters. News helicopters. Police helicopters. Civilian helicopters. And its daytime.
I think you are underestimating just how much air traffic and cameras there are in a major US city like this.
At least, thats my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
I actually disagree very, very strongly. Again, we are moving at at least 50 meters per second. A kilometer or higher in the air. We are not metallic, and shouldn't easily show up on radars. We emit no strong heat signature. Again, how would we be detected, much less identified? Take a camera, even a professional camera, and try to record someone from a kilometer away. While they are moving at > 100 miles per hour. Without prep. And that's if you notice them in the first place.
I mean, seriously, it literally had a killswitch prepared to murder the dude within seconds of his discovery, and you dont think it can track him in realtime?
That it didn't LoJack him like a rental car?
I don't really think it's a good idea to go to the Raith estate or Harry's apartment. The first because of the travel time and general Raith entanglements (and trustworthiness, or lack thereof), and the latter because of the surroundings and the likelihood that of all places we might go, the Skinwalker would have prepared ahead of time to deal with Harry's wards in particular simply because of who Harry is and the position he holds.
Also, this is pretty much exactly why I didn't want to meet with Lara today. Shit was guaranteed to get complicated before we met with Mab. Not necessarily at Lara's direct instigation, but complicated and time consuming nonetheless.
Too late to reasonably do anything about it now, of course, and we can Summon Mab basically anywhere, so if it comes down to it the Raith estate is a viable meeting ground, I suppose.
As an aside on the skinwalker; it occurs to me that we have an opportunity to force it to run away without necessarily fighting it directly if we want to go that route.
Skinwalkers each have a stretch of territory that belongs to them which they must stay within on pain of slowly losing power while outside of it. They cannot afford to lose it, and damage to it is significant to their operations.
The guy has to have some good defenses up, but I doubt they measure up to their personal presence or operate as effectively without them around. In any case we don't actually need to pierce them so much as set the alarm off in a way that leaves a substantial and ambiguous threat hanging over their head.
As we've talked about before, RVD allows us to fast travel along the ridiculous river networks of the US. We could pop over and firebomb the skinwalker's den then bail in an afternoon.
Exactly the sort of thing to press all their buttons and make them want to run home.
Too late to reasonably do anything about it now, of course, and we can Summon Mab basically anywhere, so if it comes down to it the Raith estate is a viable meeting ground, I suppose
That would be a very bad plan. If we can't leave for some reason we'd be bringing Mab in as a guest while under fire, which is a considerable risk.
It doesn't matter if she's actually in any danger, which she really wouldn't be from a skinwalker. If it gets to the point where she's poked then we've failed as a host which would incur a debt. If she acts to defend herself and solves a problem for us then it'd be even worse.
That's why neutral territory is so important to our meeting. We're inviting her, but the security of the place is not only not our responsibility it's by design something we aren't supposed to try to mess with. She's theoretically at least the one on the hook for making sure places like that are viable to use for purposes like this.
Even if none of that bit us using the Raith estate would mean giving Lara a seat at the table. Which would mean owing her and providing an excellent intelligence gathering opportunity at the same time.
I'd rather lose this lead and fight our way to Mac's than summon Mab anywhere outside of it.
Yeah, that's likely the case, but considering the Intel Lara shared with us, and the efforts the Skinwalker has apparently taken to either spy on or assassinate her, Mab might not mind too much.
Not that I want to do that, though. I'd drop this dude in a heartbeat if we need to get to Mac's in a hurry to avoid missing the meeting.
As an aside on the skinwalker; it occurs to me that we have an opportunity to force it to run away without necessarily fighting it directly if we want to go that route.
Skinwalkers each have a stretch of territory that belongs to them which they must stay within on pain of slowly losing power while outside of it. They cannot afford to lose it, and damage to it is significant to their operations.
The guy has to have some good defenses up, but I doubt they measure up to their personal presence or operate as effectively without them around. In any case we don't actually need to pierce them so much as set the alarm off in a way that leaves a substantial and ambiguous threat hanging over their head.
As we've talked about before, RVD allows us to fast travel along the ridiculous river networks of the US. We could pop over and firebomb the skinwalker's den then bail in an afternoon.
Exactly the sort of thing to press all their buttons and make them want to run home.
That would be a very bad plan. If we can't leave for some reason we'd be bringing Mab in as a guest while under fire, which is a considerable risk.
It doesn't matter if she's actually in any danger, which she really wouldn't be from a skinwalker. If it gets to the point where she's poked then we've failed as a host which would incur a debt. If she acts to defend herself and solves a problem for us then it'd be even worse.
That's why neutral territory is so important to our meeting. We're inviting her, but the security of the place is not only not our responsibility it's by design something we aren't supposed to try to mess with. She's theoretically at least the one on the hook for making sure places like that are viable to use for purposes like this.
Even if none of that bit us using the Raith estate would mean giving Lara a seat at the table. Which would mean owing her and providing an excellent intelligence gathering opportunity at the same time.
I'd rather lose this lead and fight our way to Mac's than summon Mab anywhere outside of it.
Rolls intelligence+Investigation
Molly does know where Gorfel came from and it was a place in the southwest so that may be a place to start if you are minded to. With Rendered Villain Dispersal as long as there is water there you can get to the place without the use of the Ways.
Rolls intelligence+Investigation
Molly does know where Gorfel came from and it was a place in the southwest so that may be a place to start if you are minded to. With Rendered Villain Dispersal as long as there is water there you can get to the place without the use of the Ways.
That is what the roll was about, someone was talking about finding the skinwalker's place of power and it was mentioned previously Gorfel entered the Nevernever in the Southwest where the skinwalkers are said to originate. The roll was about remembering that part. Whether it's a good guess or something that is worth investigating is up to your guys.
I actually disagree very, very strongly. Again, we are moving at at least 50 meters per second. A kilometer or higher in the air. We are not metallic, and shouldn't easily show up on radars. We emit no strong heat signature. Again, how would we be detected, much less identified? Take a camera, even a professional camera, and try to record someone from a kilometer away. While they are moving at > 100 miles per hour. Without prep. And that's if you notice them in the first place.
We're doing 33 yards/second at base, which is 67.5 miles per hour.
We can accelerate to an eventual top speed of 225 miles per hour, or 450 miles per hour in shintai, but that takes ten minutes of flight and only applies to distance travel.
Radar can pick us up just fine if we're out of the ground clutter like you want to move.
It picks up birds and nonmetal stealth devices, let alone a six foot tall woman wearing chainmail and doing highway speeds at three thousand feet.
I think you underestimate just how full US airspace is in urban areas.
Or just how much surveillance shit was around in 2006, in the middle of the US War on Terror .
Let's agree to disagree.
This is not conjecture, its capability already displayed by multiple factions canonically in the series. Dresden using Fire magic against Lartessa in Small Favor allowed Eldest Gruff to teleport to his exact location on Demonreach. Dresden himself tracked Vittorio Malvora in close to realtime using Little Chicago in White Night, and he's a baby wizard by comparison.
If a serious player has your number, you've got Serious Problems.
The subject here has been in the skinwalker's hands.
It re-engineered him, a mortal human, into a Creature of Darkness, put its own magic inside him, might literally have physical implants inside him, and probably still has biological samples of the dude's tissues and fluids.
It hit him with a personalized magical death curse from miles away.
I am dead positive it can track him in real time in the absence of active magical countermeasures.
Which we dont have. Hence we're running for wards.
As an aside on the skinwalker; it occurs to me that we have an opportunity to force it to run away without necessarily fighting it directly if we want to go that route.
Eh.
We dont want to leave it in Chicago space. The more time it has to linger, the more time it has to come up with mischief
And something like this is malicious enough that it can do, well...see Turn Coat:
There was a feminine scream from somewhere close by, a challenge that was answered by a leonine roar that shook the hallway. The short-haired sister flew into the wall at the T intersection ahead, and collapsed like a rag doll. There were sounds of swift motion from around the corner, and a gasp.
Then silence. A moment later, a blur came around the corner, dragging the axe-wielding sister's limp form by the hair. The veil faded as the skinwalker came closer, once more showing us its bestial, not-quite-human form. It stopped in front of us, maybe ten feet away. Then, quite casually, it lifted one of the unconscious vampire's hands to its fanged mouth and, never looking away from Lara, calmly nipped off a finger and swallowed it. Lara narrowed her eyes, and her rich mouth split into a wide, hungry smile. "Did you need a break before we continue?"
The skinwalker spoke, its voice weirdly modulated, as if several different creatures were approximating speech at the same time. "Break?"
With the word, it calmly snapped the vampire girl's left arm in midhumerus.
Hell's bells.
"I am going to kill you," Lara said calmly.
The skinwalker laughed. It was a hideous sound. "Little phage. Even here at the center of your power, you could not stop me. Your warriors lay slain. Your fellow phages are fallen. Even the foolish pretenders to power visiting your house could not stop me."
I'd gotten enough of my head back together to push myself to my feet. Lara never looked at me, but I could sense her attention on me nonetheless. I didn't have time to gather my will for a magical strike. The skinwalker would feel me doing it long before it became a fact.
Fortunately, I plan for such contingencies.
The eight silver rings I wore, one on each of my fingers, served a couple of purposes. The triple bands of silver were moderately heavy, and if I had to slug someone, they made a passably good imitation of brass knuckles. But their main purpose was to store back a little kinetic energy every time I moved one of my arms. It took a while to build up a charge, but when they were ready to go, I could release the force stored in each ring with instant precision. A blast from a single band of a ring could knock a big man off his feet and take the fight out of him in the process. There were three bands to each ring—which meant that I had a dozen times that much force ready to go on each hand.
I didn't bother to say anything to Lara. I just lifted my right fist and triggered every ring on it, unleashing a pile driver of kinetic energy at the skinwalker. Lara bounded forward at the same instant, swords spinning, ready to lay into the skinwalker when my strike threw it off balance and distracted it.
But the skinwalker lifted its left hand, fingers crooked into a familiar defensive gesture, and the wave of force that should have knocked it tail over teakettle bounced back from it like light from a mirror—and struck Lara full-on instead.
Lara let out a startled whuffas the equivalent force of a speeding car slammed into her, knocked her back, and flattened her against the mound of rubble still filling the hallway behind me.
The skinwalker's mouth split into a leering smile of its own, and its bestial voice purred, "Break, little phage. Break."
Lara gasped and lifted herself up with her arms. Her white eyes were fixed on the skinwalker, her lips twisted into a defiant snarl.
I stood there staring at the skinwalker. It was hard, and I had to use the wall to help me balance. Then I took a deep breath and stepped away from the wall, moving very carefully, until I stood between the skinwalker and Lara. I turned to face it squarely.
"Okay," I said. "Let's have it."
"Have what, pretender?" the skinwalker growled.
"You aren't here to kill us," I said. "You could have done it by now."
"Oh, so true," it murmured, its eyes dancing with malicious pleasure.
"You don't have to gloat about it, prick," I muttered under my breath. Then I addressed the skinwalker again. "You must want to talk. So why don't you just say what you came to say?" The skinwalker studied me, and idly nipped another finger from the unconscious vampire girl. It chewed slowly, with some truly unsettling snapping, popping sounds, and then swallowed. "You will trade with me."
"Trade," the skinwalker said. "Thomas of Raith. For the doomed warrior."
I eyed the thing. So it wanted Morgan, too. "Suppose I tell you to fuck off."
"I will no longer be in a playful mood," it purred. "I will come for you. I will kill you. I will kill your blood, your friends, your beasts. I will kill the flowers in your home and the trees in your tiny fields. I will visit such death upon whatever is yours that your very name will be remembered only in curses and tales of terror."
I believed the creature. No reflexive comeback quip sprang from my lips. Given what I'd seen of the skinwalker's power, I had to give that one a five-star rating on the threatometer. "And to encourage you . . ." Its gaze shifted to Lara. "If the wizard does not obey, I will unmake you as well. I will do it every bit as easily as I have done today. And it will bring me intense pleasure to do so."
Lara stared at the skinwalker with pure white eyes, her expression locked into a snarl of hate.
"Do you understand me, little phage? You and that rotting bag of flesh you've attached yourself to?"
"I understand," Lara spat.
The skinwalker's smile widened for an instant. "If the doomed warrior is not delivered to me by sundown tomorrow, I will begin my hunt."
This was after killing a dozen people, wounding at least another dozen, crippling Luccio and two nobles of the White Court, and injuring Dresden and Lara.
Assuming this is the same as the one Dresden called Shagnasty?
This is one of the few things that has threatened Dresden and dude has not actually quipped at it.
Its a sociopathic sadistic fucker, even by the standards of such luminaries as the Red Court.
One of the proximate reasons to get it out of heavily populated areas is that its wont to take out frustrations on people around.
Its not at all beyond it to simply start upstairs by murdering its way through Dresden's neighbors and landlady in order to draw us out from behind wards.
Yeah, that's likely the case, but considering the Intel Lara shared with us, and the efforts the Skinwalker has apparently taken to either spy on or assassinate her, Mab might not mind too much.
Not that I want to do that, though. I'd drop this dude in a heartbeat if we need to get to Mac's in a hurry to avoid missing the meeting.
Shouldn't be an issue.
This is still between 9am and 10am. We still have all morning, and given the response time in Turn Coat to Madeline asking for help/cover to escape the Raith estate, I suspect this will be over one way or the other by noon.
I thought it was obvious there was a link there.
Remember that the Way he emerged from connected to Nevada, near a US AFB and a Native American reservation?
Gorfels, Kattrin and Madrigal/Madeline Raith have all been connected.
"From where came the wizard Gorfel who passed this way on the seventh of the month?"
You do not get anything like the long conversation you got on the matter of soulgazes, just a flash of a dark grey peak above scrub-land that stretches beside a glittering city, a glimpse and a name. "Clippy search Frenchman's Mountain, Nevada please."
The answer is as instantaneous as it is through: "The peak lies on a north to north-northeast trending ridge about 2000 feet above the nearby valleys. Sunrise Mountain lies 3.6 miles (5.8 km) to the northeast adjacent to Nellis Air Force Base. The north end of the McCullough Range about 12 miles (19 km) to the south has a parallel trend. The River Mountains lie to the southeast..."
"Thanks, save it and put it on screen." You give it a once over and then start to hand her off to Harry, but he is looking at your funny, a rather familiar state of affairs recently. "What? I didn't want to listen on speaker like that, it would look odd from anyone who sees us drive by."
