Astra Myst
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[X] Hold Schnäbele pending further discussions.
Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
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No, the point is that we don't want war, lmao. Is that hard to grasp? The population doesn't want ANOTHER war, I don't want another war, since it turns it into a two-front conflict, and we all know how those end up for Germany. People apparently want to turn Shnäbele into the Franz Ferdinand of our timeline, which is beyond stupid.
[X] Release Schnäbele with a full apology.
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Just a friendly reminder to keep the shouting and inflammatory language to a minimum, and not to engage in interpersonal hostility at all. Enthusiastic debate is good, but not if it can be misconstrued as aggressiveness or incivility.
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comrade. there is going to be no war. if you haven't read any of my other posts let me reiterate. france isn't prepared. their emperor doesn't want to declare, and remember the buck for that stops at him. britain doesn't care for war at this time. this is a machination by their minister for war and that's all
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PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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Reminder that, unlike most votes in other Quests, this one will not be over when the most-voted option wins if it doesn't secure majority - since we are playing as Germany's National Assembly. So don't be disheartened if your option lost to an option that doesn't represent most of the Quest's players, since that means the vote isn't over yet!
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People are too concerned about the public's reaction, IMO. This will be a defensive war, if France invades. There's not going to be a soldier's mutiny because France invaded, even if it's not very popular - They know what the French will do if they win. If anything, the release with apology is going to cause worse public backlash, since it very clearly has a malus to national stability, and will be subordinating Germany to the French.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
[X] Release Schnäbele with a full apology.
Because a) we don't need a bloody & pointless war, and b) I see little to no evidence of serious wrongdoing and the man might very well be innocent.
And even if he isn't, the National Gendarmerie still mishandled this. It is not at all in the Republic's interest to make an enemy out of the Entente, rather the opposite in fact. A two front war in both the east and west - and actually probably with a third front in the north as well, now that I think about it - is a nightmare scenario for us, which we absolutely need to avoid.
Because a) we don't need a bloody & pointless war, and b) I see little to no evidence of serious wrongdoing and the man might very well be innocent.
And even if he isn't, the National Gendarmerie still mishandled this. It is not at all in the Republic's interest to make an enemy out of the Entente, rather the opposite in fact. A two front war in both the east and west - and actually probably with a third front in the north as well, now that I think about it - is a nightmare scenario for us, which we absolutely need to avoid.
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It is absolutely in our interest! The Entente are ruthless imperialists and capitalist warmongers! They're our enemies by default! We should not practice "catch and release" on espionage rings by imperialists!
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I think voting for an option because you think the backlash to picking it will be good is a bad idea.
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my god! there isn't going to be a war! i don't know how many times i have to say this!
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Ruthless imperialists and capitalist warmongers they may be, but they're also not currently allied to the Imperial League, and I want it to stay that way. The worst possible thing we can do now is provoke a war that the Imperial League will almost certainly join. When we eventually declare war on the Imperial League, there's a good chance the Entente won't join that war (as seen by the fact that there is a peace faction in their government now), but for the other way around, there is as far as I know no serious peace faction in the governments of the Imperial League. Let's deal with our weaker enemies first.
This seems fairly straightforward to me.
[X] Hold Schnäbele pending further discussions.
I think this is right choice?
Anyway, the real crisis is worsening illiteracy! It is time for radical measures.
- mandate, that in order to graduate, each student must teach 5 people to read and write. Maintain this policy until 99% of people over 12 are literate.
I think this is right choice?
Anyway, the real crisis is worsening illiteracy! It is time for radical measures.
- mandate, that in order to graduate, each student must teach 5 people to read and write. Maintain this policy until 99% of people over 12 are literate.
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honestly, i'm just a simple country technocrat who wants to give us enough time to review the work of our investigators and make sure we understand what is actually going on! delaying is a vote for seeking the truth
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To fuck with their militarists, mostly. The guy was probably a spy, but I'm not discounting that he was a French hawk plant to force their government's hand either, and I'd rather not give them that when we have a much stronger case for war eastward first.
Insisting on his guilt makes no gains for us. If we've already decided on not escalating the crisis, there's no reason to hurt our diplomatic position over it.
Repetition is not an argument. Boulanger is absolutely trying to spark a war and one failed mobilization vote while they wait for our reaction is not a clear case against it. I can absolutely see the more extreme reactions changing the political situation in France enough for that vote to pass.
The QM text is pretty explicit on war being a possibility.
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Just the opposite. It's a gamble, and one where the folks betting on the French war party losing the political struggle have rather better reasons for their bets than the folks betting in the French war party winning (including the Emperor's opposition and the Senate's failure to mobilize).
And while the Emperor squabbles with his ministers, rather than uniting, the French socialists and republicans have an opening to intervene, and I think we can both afford to give, and owe them for their assistance during the Civil War, that chance.
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I understand that argument, I'm just saying that there's still a possibility of there being a war, which can't simply be dismissed.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
"National honour and dignity" are no suitable substitute for national security. And anyway, they would only be besmirched in the eyes of shortshighted warmongers with no common or strategic sense.
We have the Imperial League in the east, just waiting for a moment of weakness. We have Skandinavia in the north, deep in the Imperials' pockets. We have Italy in the south, no longer an ally.
We can't afford to needlessly make an enemy out of the west. In fact, we should be trying very hard to make friends in as many places as possible to avoid getting caught in our own WWI equivalent.
Our victory conditions in the west is permanent conciliation, not a short victorious war.
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"Acceding to the Quai d'Orsay's stated demands" is hardly a "refusal to compromise." Rather the opposite. It makes further, and more extreme, demands more likely, if not in this crisis then down the line (lowering the tariff objectively served French interests as well).
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Landwehr members who are his distant relatives, some of whom are under suspicion of cross-border smuggling.
And he was doing that before the conference and the reason he was not there is because the Gendarmerie arrest him first.
Does the Gendarmerie held any physical evidences of this espionage operation? Surely, if he intend to asses our military, he has to wrote down his finding somewhere. Does they investigate his contract in the Landwehr? What precisely is their "corrupt" behaviour that they allegedly committed? Just a minor smuggling or outright treason?
If the Gendarmerie could produce these evidences, I would be more inclined to vote for holding him, but as it is, I could not do so in good conscious.
[X] Release Schnäbele with a full apology.
Accordingly to Wikipedia (not the best source, to be fair) that does not quite happens - although the historical option was releasing while insisting on his guilt.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
If you gamble often enough, it's inevitable that eventually you will lose. Therefore, only gamble when the need is great and the prize worth the risk.
That isn't the case here.
Furthermore, even if war doesn't result now, that doesn't mean we wouldn't be increasing the risk of war with France later. We need to do more than just avoid war in the short term, we need to avoid it altogether.
If we go to war with France and loose, we might loose everything. If we go to war with France and win, chance are we'd still loose more than we'd gain. So why the heck would we want to?
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