*No supporting evidence* he says, right after Yog told he was giving exactly that.
Well, talk about selective hearing right there.
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*No supporting evidence* he says, right after Yog told he was giving exactly that.
Well, talk about selective hearing right there.
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We also have confirmation that Charity bone-deeply believes there can't be magic without a price.
She literally was relieved when she got told the monk-martial arts training was grueling, because she got to see a price.
And now you're trying to sell her on a free lunch?
Every single of her alarm bells are ringing.
In fact this one is ringing:
Alchemy Rules
Alchemy Rules
Cost: Every attempt to use the Path of Alchemy costs one Willpower point. Additionally, a fully stocked laboratory is necessary, usually requiring a Resources or Sanctum rating at least equal to the rank being used.
Roll: Intelligence + Crafting
Modifiers: Difficulty is reduced by 1 if the alchemist has mastered the recipe. At character creation, recipes can be mastered in this way for one freebie point each, and later they may be mastered for one experience point each.
Time: Any alchemical procedure requires at least an hour, and in general it is one day per level of the effect, though levels in excess of this subtract (so an alchemist with twice the required rating can do the work in hours, one with three ranks and perform a level two procedure in a day, etc.) Mastered recipes do this calculation at rank one higher than the alchemist has. On top of the time for the procedure, ingredients must be prepared. Rank one and two recipes require a day or two for preparation, but higher rank recipes require one week per level.
Duration: The effects of alchemy typically last one scene, with some exceptions. The outputs of alchemy also have a shelf-life. If left out in the open, exposed to the air, they only last a half hour. Otherwise, they expire depending on the number of successes achieved in creating them, after which time they become inert and potentially dangerous:
• One Day
•• One Week
••• One Month
•••• Three Months
••••• Six Months
Cost of Failure: When an alchemist fails, some of their equipment is damaged. They will need to replace glassware and ingredients, of course, and occasionally a more complex apparatus, as well as cleaning tools that survive. However, the most dangerous cost of failure is that the result will usually do something. If the alchemist is lucky, it will merely mess up their laboratory or perhaps explode unexpectedly. If they are unlucky, it may appear to have worked properly at creation and do something wildly different in use (the best case scenario here is poison).
OOC: Speaking of this stuff I should probably consolidate Chicago Synthetics into dots or resources, I do not think keeping track of the money at this point is helpful and resource dots would play nicer with other WoD mechanics like this one.
Archangel Uriel himself came down from on high to personally vouch for the power behind Molly's crown. Michael and Harry saw Molly grab knowledge from the mind of Mab without her ever realizing it, and to invoke the power of a dead creator being, whose very name shakes the fabric of creation. The knowledge we gleamed with it allowed Harry to soulgaze us, and revolutionzied what White Council knew about Thousand Hells. "I learned it from a Dream" should be a persuasive argument for Michael and Harry both.
And that invocation didn't damage our relationship with him at all.
The price is in the effort we make to brew it, and the ingredients we spend.
Alchemy does come with costs in weird and sometimes expensive materials as well as the time to make it. That is one tack Molly could take.
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When you are trying to build your credibility, what you suggest matters.
Like when a previous president was suggesting that the US launch a false flag attack on Russia and say China did it.
No. Supporting. Evidence.
This is an original recipe. No one else has used it before. Even if we gave it to Dresden and he managed to replicate it(we apparently dont do Alchemy the way others do, given the whole everything has a soul explanation) Dresden cannot say that it has no effects in a year, or five, or ten, if taken the way we want to.
And Dresden in particular has canonically had bad experiemces with magic energy drink/super coffee style potions.
The side effect from drinking one before fighting the Streetwolves the first time was the reason IIRC that he ended up with no magic for most of that book(Fool Moon).
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And if the one we'd try to convince wasn't Charity "willpower" Carpenter it'd have merit
Slight note here, Molly did not see how to make this in a dream, she saw enough to re-contextualize the art of alchemy which puts some of the recipes Bob was trying to make and a few she just wanted to make now within her reach.
Not an original recipe by Word of QM, which means that Bob can confirm it works as we say, so, yes, supporting evidence.
Uriel personally vouched for the power being Molly's own, and subject to her will, for good and ill.
He didnt say she couldnt harm herself with its applications.
Uriel gave Dresden Soulfire, which while a powerboost can explicitly kill you if overused.
Furthermore, like I pointed out upthread, Dresden has explicitly had use/overuse of magical stimulants cripple him during the Loup Garou case when he was younger. Thats presumably why we've never seen him use them since. Of all the people here, he'd be particularly suspicious of the idea that you could use a magic stimulant indefinitely without issues.
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Thank you for the clarification.
Other point still stands.
See Fool Moon again.
Bob: It is possible for other people to be better than you at stuff boss, sane way they can be easier on the eyes.
Normally I would say that the above is not IC and he would never say so, but this is Bob, he totally would do that and then probably add some details about how Molly is easier on the eyes
You aren't addressing the other parts of the argument, I see. Molly's power providing her with impossible and always correct knowledge is something that has been established both for MIchael and Harry. They saw that happening multiple times. The power told Molly it's safe to use the potion. This, then, comes, to a matter of trust between Molly and them. Is Molly lying about her power saying it's safe? If no, it's safe.
We can also show Dresden and Bob the theory behind it.
Do I need to explicitly point this out in the vote, or would Molly automatically explain this if Charity raises this argument?
If you want to bring it up preemptively put it in the stunt, otherwise it's fine.
What about batch size? Can we take penalties (dice, time, materials, whatever) in exchange for greater output?
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Thanks. I think I will, like this:
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-[X] Empathy excellency, BSM
-[X] Write in explanation to your parents: it is super-coffee. It doesn't have adverse effects. You could probably feed it to a toddler and the only issue would be the grief they cause their parents. It doesn't stop you from sleeping, it makes you need less sleep. It isn't addictive. You can and will show the recipe to Harry to look over before starting using it. If they observe that your mental or physical health are deteriorating somehow, you'll stop. And if they want to, you are more than willing to give them a cup to try.
--[X] Stunt: You move, hair still wet from the morning shower, into the kitchen where both your mom and dad are, a steaming pot of coffee on the counter. Filling your cup your join them: "So, apparently my vast cosmic powers come with super coffee recipes now. I guess I can always start working as a barrista for the supernatural folk if the whole 'make diamonds and protect community' thing falls through" you say: "It's a blend that will reduce the need for sleep to one hour per night, with zero side-effects, and the effect lasts for a whole week. I plan to use the free hours to try and get more things done, and I was planning on sharing the recipe with Harry; he could certainly use more hours in a day. Would you also like some? It'll take a bit to brew though, and I'll have to order some ingredients - the super-coffee is actually quite hard to make".
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Wait, how does this gel with formulas like the unbreakable mirror and superglue, where magical durability is the whole point?
Would they break down after 6 months no matter what? Would they break down after one day because they're tier one formulas?
For my part I like most of it. The only sticking point is how the death mechanic doesn't make it feel like an actual afterlife.
You've made your point about their cultural push towards finding some sort of enlightenment, but it still makes a for a weird juxtaposition.
*checks both versions of sorcerer*
Not given in canon. I'll have to think about this for a bit I don't want to make it too easy to mass produce, but at the same time there should be some ability to scale.
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This whole argument seems bizarre to me. Like, Molly's relationship with her family isn't that bad. This isn't politics. We can bring up a subject and talk about it like adults without them suddenly thinking we have gone off the deep end or something. Maybe they will disagree, or maybe they will be hesitant, but we can talk things out.
This doesn't cost credibility, it builds credibility.
The gel will only last a few days once exposed to air, it is a barely magical substance, that should still give you plenty of time to put your prisoners in sturdier but harder to deploy restraints. The mirror is a material, it should not logically and thematically decay so it does not.