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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
yrsillar said:
"I see, then allow your dashing senior brother to escort you on the journey," Liao Zhu said. "It has been too long since we spoke."

"It has, chaos and war is hardly the best for keeping up with friends," Ling Qi said.
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Not LQ friendzoning Moon senpai from get

yrsillar said:
Ling Qi frowned, shaking her head. It didn't feel as if she was being controlled. More like…. There were simply foreign memories lodged in somewhere deep in her spirit, perhaps in her fused and broken meridian, mingled with the 'burned out' qi there.

"Junior Sister. Do you require assistance?"
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HE CARES 🥺

yrsillar said:
"...You guys are boring. I thought this'd be more exciting."

"Even if I was thinking such things right now, would I do them with my Junior Sister on my back like a bag of rice," Ling Qi replied, frowning.
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Oooooh Ice Qi is thawing. Moon senpai still has a chance 😤
 
I really liked the whole Liao Zhu segment, especially HUISHENG PHILOSOPHY INTERRUPT. He's putting the philosophy into practice and making her more multitudinous by the moment.

[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to see to the possibility of adding an observer from the Golden Fields, more formally bringing them in and largely completing the set. (More difficult ask of Han Jian, adds additional complexity to Summit. Roll for degree of success if chosen.)

I don't like this option, we are in no position to start asking favours like this.
But people argued that meeting Han Jian instead of Li Suying and Su Ling could lead to a GF representative, then fine, let's go for it.

That said, i am happy about Ling Qi meeting Sidao.
 
[X] Wanted to see to the possibility of adding an observer from the Golden Fields, more formally bringing them in and largely completing the set. (More difficult ask of Han Jian, adds additional complexity to Summit. Roll for degree of success if chosen.)
 
Adhoc vote count started by Neshuakadal on Feb 11, 2023 at 1:38 AM, finished with 69 posts and 41 votes.
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Erebeal said:
It's really just like "if the summit ends up being a big success and notable thing then the Guo not being there while everyone else was means they'll lose some face and may be a bit salty". It's not really a big worry imo.
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The Guo are maybe the second least influential Ducal clan in the Imperial court, too. Maybe tied for second least with the Xuan?

The Cai are obviously the least influential, not the least because it does not staff Imperial diplomatic roles with clan members. What with because it literally can't.

The point is, as ever, the Jin are model Imperial citizens and we should do our utmost to emulate them in all things. I think that's where I was going with that, anyway.
 
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[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)

Frankly, I find it unsettling that there is as much interest on the imperial side as there is. Keep in mind that the Polar Nations only sent White Sky confederation which is somewhat their Emerald Seas equivalent.
 
AbeoLogos said:
The Guo are maybe the second least influential Ducal clan in the Imperial court, too. Maybe tied for second least with the Xuan?

The Cai are obviously the least influential, not the least because it does not staff Imperial diplomatic roles with clan members. What with because it literally can't.

The point is, as ever, the Jin are model Imperial citizens and we should do our utmost to emulate them in all things. I think that's where I was going with that, anyway.
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You might be overestimating the Western Territories if you think the Xuan are that low. The Golden Fields are a wasteland, The Cai are the youngest Ducal clan, and the Western Territories are a wasteland ruled over by a Ducal clan barely any older than the Cai. You brought up how the Cai can't send family to the Imperial court, but the Sun also can't really do that either, they just lost Sun Lilling's aunt (great aunt?) who was their main voice at court and don't have anyone who can replace her. Those should be the 3 'weak' ducal clans. Then you've got the Bai who were kicked into the dirt recently but have ancient and strong foundations.

For Ducal clans in Imperial politics it probably goes-
1- Zheng (oldest and strongest, unchallenged #1, even if the throne wishes they could be reigned in)
2 & 3- Jin & Xuan probably in that order, but still roughly peers (strong established clans, the Jin are closer to mainstream imperial politics but the Xuan have a Sublime Ancestor)
4- Bai (Even at their weakest they're still very powerful and wealthy)
5, 6, & 7 (The Guo are better established than the Cai or Sun, but they rule a wasteland and their insularity means they lack both strong allies and enemies. The Cai are the newest and weakest Ducal clan, but the Emerald Seas aren't nearly as deadly as the other two so we're probably stronger economically. And Shenhua isn't exactly unpopular in the Peaks even with recent stuff going on. The Sun are barely any more established than the Cai, their territory was at least as hostile as the Golden Fields until recently, and their support in the Peaks was wanning, but they have a very strong army.)

The Savage Seas are among the half of the Imperial provinces that aren't recovering from some manner of recent catastrophe, I really doubt they're second from the bottom.
 
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[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)

Alright, so here's two cents about this. I think option 2 is a small enough ask for the Han to provide and benefit from this. Based on how option 1 worded "an observer from the Golden Fields", that sounds vague enough that it may not necessarily be a Han, but a Guo rep coming.

Personally, I don't like that. It feels like it's us coming to them for help, and I think positions should be reversed. We're the ones holding the gold mine after all. Now, I don't really care that Guo didn't come to us during those last few turns. It's understandable even given that Golden Fields still has a long way to go before they recover. They however had plenty of opportunities to approach the Cai about this, but in the end, they didn't. And that's perfectly fine.

Now if the Guo notices that we went with the Han for help instead of them and IF they decided that they're bothered by it, you know what they can do? They can decide to send a rep the next time something similar will happen in the future. Hence, it's them coming to us. It's not like we really explicitly invited the other ducals (minus Xuan Shi).
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
[X] Wanted to him to raise the possibility with his own connections of whether experts on Twilight corruption could be enticed to speak with the Seared lands experts, as a bargaining chip for negotiations. (Easier ask of Han Jian, keeps Summit as is, leaves Golden Fields isolated from the project.)
 
memoryofglory said:
You might be overestimating the Western Territories if you think the Xuan are that low. The Golden Fields are a wasteland, The Cai are the youngest Ducal clan, and the Western Territories are a wasteland ruled over by a Ducal clan barely any older than the Cai. You brought up how the Cai can't send family to the Imperial court, but the Sun also can't really do that either, they just lost Sun Lilling's aunt (great aunt?) who was their main voice at court and don't have anyone who can replace her. Those should be the 3 'weak' ducal clans. Then you've got the Bai who were kicked into the dirt recently but have ancient and strong foundations.

For Ducal clans in Imperial politics it probably goes-
1- Zheng (oldest and strongest, unchallenged #1, even if the throne wishes they could be reigned in)
2 & 3- Jin & Xuan probably in that order, but still roughly peers (strong established clans, the Jin are closer to mainstream imperial politics but the Xuan have a Sublime Ancestor)
4- Bai (Even at their weakest they're still very powerful and wealthy)
5, 6, & 7 (The Guo are better established than the Cai or Sun, but they rule a wasteland and their insularity means they lack both strong allies and enemies. The Cai are the newest and weakest Ducal clan, but the Emerald Seas aren't nearly as deadly as the other two so we're probably stronger economically. And Shenhua isn't exactly unpopular in the Peaks even with recent stuff going on. The Sun are barely any more established than the Cai, their territory was at least as hostile as the Golden Fields until recently, and their support in the Peaks was wanning, but they have a very strong army.)

The Savage Seas are among the half of the Imperial provinces that aren't recovering from some manner of recent catastrophe, I really doubt they're second from the bottom.
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I'll be honest. I genuinely forgot the Western Territories exist. So point well made.

On the Xuan, yeah their position is debatable. The Xuan are also kind of insular, but it's not really clear how much it's intentional versus emergent from physical and cultural distance from the seat of the empire. Demographic issues also means they don't have a huge number of scions to spare for political games.

But as you say, they've got their advantages too. Stable footing with a sublime ancestor in their pocket, mainly.
 
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