LordPanther14
The Definition of Insanity
- Location
- Land of the Free
[X] [BELEGAR] Greater Daemon
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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@Boney thank you for the exceptionally quick update. You've been on a roll lately. This update was a really good way to process the excitement of the last update. Instead of ignoring everything the Daemon just said, Mathilde is processing and rationalising it and using logic to tone things down from the framework the Daemon presented it in, doing a great job at reducing the tension presented in the last update. I like that you chose to separate the two updates, because it gives room for both perspectives to breath and sink in.
I also find it interesting how Mathilde handles this experience. This particular sentence is very telling:
My suggestion is to get proper support. Belegar trusts and, I'm quite certain, loves Mathilde as a friend. We've shared life or death secrets with each other. He's confided in us some of his most vulnerable moments and we've helped him through it. We should give him the opportunity to help us out in kind.
Panoramia can also provide comfort. As Mathilde said, coming face to face with a Greater Daemon is not common by any means, but it is possible through a particularly vigorous miscast. I think she'll understand if we don't want to divulge anything more than that a giant bird invaded our lab to smugly mock us. Cuddles can help.
I also find it interesting how Mathilde handles this experience. This particular sentence is very telling:
A suggested method to deal with panic and paranoia/other mental breakdowns is to ground yourself. Finding a comfort spot in something familiar is often recommended. Mathilde's comfort is magic theory, which allows her to properly recontextualise the situation such that she can grapple with difficult topics that she's been putting off.
My suggestion is to get proper support. Belegar trusts and, I'm quite certain, loves Mathilde as a friend. We've shared life or death secrets with each other. He's confided in us some of his most vulnerable moments and we've helped him through it. We should give him the opportunity to help us out in kind.
Panoramia can also provide comfort. As Mathilde said, coming face to face with a Greater Daemon is not common by any means, but it is possible through a particularly vigorous miscast. I think she'll understand if we don't want to divulge anything more than that a giant bird invaded our lab to smugly mock us. Cuddles can help.
- Location
- Bretonnia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
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Well, we hope that Egrimm is agnostic. But yes, his education is religion could come in handy, and as a Light Order LM he has access to the Light Order's many books on religion, including their Ancient Library, so I think he's a good fit for the research.
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- Human/Form/Keyblade
[X] [BELEGAR] Weakening of reality
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
Eisenhelm
gran dutch of douchery
- Location
- Colombia
I though her soul was mostly Ulgu by this point.
- Location
- Ohio
I am sorry, everyone, if my comments seem out of place or random, which I am not trying to do.
I just am not the best at directly helping people calm down, but am trying, and would not mind another topic if needed.
And Ranald, Ulgu, and wizard stuff is only one part of Mathilde's life. A big part, but the people around us are just as much a part of it.
Even from a pragmatic, annoying "rationalist" point of view, it is taking the potential slap on the wrist now to avoid the M.A.D. systems launch codes later.
I just am not the best at directly helping people calm down, but am trying, and would not mind another topic if needed.
I agree. If we want to be trusted, we have to show trust where it is most important. We don't need to give the juicy details, but I will not patronize our good friends.
And Ranald, Ulgu, and wizard stuff is only one part of Mathilde's life. A big part, but the people around us are just as much a part of it.
Even from a pragmatic, annoying "rationalist" point of view, it is taking the potential slap on the wrist now to avoid the M.A.D. systems launch codes later.
- Location
- Australia
Honesty seems like the best tool against an agent of the Changer. No doubt they've got plans for every possible combination, but this seems like a good way to go against them. Coming clean about everything so soon will be a statement of itself to those we speak to.
Lying is just asking for the truth to be revealed when it would be most damaging.
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen, Daemon, and Mathilde's candidacy
Lying is just asking for the truth to be revealed when it would be most damaging.
[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen, Daemon, and Mathilde's candidacy
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I'm convinced that the thread wouldn't vote to hack Egrimm apart even if we knew he had one of the bad books. Maybe we'd demand the bad book though.
Previous rolls inform ongoing character though. And we've gained more trust and familiarity with all involved since then. And successfully resisting a second time is more believable than doing so the first time. And Mork is the type to disclose before attacking while Tzeentch is not.
Dwarves don't have capital punishment? That's pretty cool. Or is just that they don't have it for mistakes and negligence, no matter how bad?
Mathilde could claim that the source is a Tzeentch cultist. A blatant lie, but roughly equivalent in trustworthiness.
Damn, that's a good point which will inform my own vote.
For some reason I always thought that Horrors and Flamers were also capable of having conversations and tempting Humans. They are the kinds of Daemons that a lesser Tzeentch cultist can summon and if they can't give commands, tempt with forbidden knowledge or teach anything then that would seriously weaken Tzeentch's command and control apparatus.
Also, sorry for repeating questions others already asked. Hadn't gotten there yet.
Alric still has full access to all of the Light College's archives and is a powerful Wizard with a century worth of experience. Even if he can't convince a single person to follow him and has too little experience to be respected by anyone who is someone among the forces of Chaos, him converting would still be massively damaging. Anything canon Egrimm did Alric should be able to do too and more, if for some crazy reason he really wanted to.
In any case, I don't actually advocate on throwing shade at them. I just thought that if we were to tell Algard about our Everchosen candidacy then honestly telling him about two more LM candidates would lower the chances of dire consequences, since it would rightfully make this whole thing seem more about harming the Empire by making it deprive itself of LMs.
How could the truth ever be revealed?
And yes, telling the truth is a statement. It's probably a statement that Mathilde believes she can no longer be trusted and that forever more her peers need to consider the fact that she thought it necessary to warn them about her whenever they interact with her or she does something.
If Mathilde doesn't believe she can no longer be trusted, why would she be telling the Grey College rather than dealing with it herself?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Something about this line just struck me as very funny.
If they learned of Mathilde's candidacy from another source, then either:
1) It would name Mathilde alone, in which case hopefully a group like the Colleges would know to very seriously consider the possibility "whoever told us this is trolling us in hopes that we'll kill one of our better agents..." OR
2) It would name a whole lot of people, in which case it would become apparent that the list of "potential Everchosens" includes a lot of people who, realistically, will not become the next Everchosen and have no intention of doing so.
Either way that would tend to blunt the effect, I would think.
Assuming the daemon wasn't just lying outright about the entire idea of Mathilde becoming an Everchosen.
I'll be honest if another LM told us that they had been approached by a daemon about being a candidate for Everchosen I would assume that it was because they were majorly tempted because otherwise there is no reason to do so.
What do you expect me to do...? Oh. That is when they start looking really regretful.
Exactly. The same applies to talking about the Greys about the daemon at all. The Greys only, I think, share information if they think the person they're telling needs to act on it. What are we expecting the other Grey Lord Magisters to do with the information? What is Mathilde implicitly requesting here?
Is she telling them to be suspicious of her and her work in future because she fears the daemon may have somehow compromised her?
Is she telling them that she's more likely to be a potential threat they need to invest more in developing counter-measures to put down?
Or what? By telling them this, what does Mathilde want them to do?
Is she suggesting she needs to retire to become another Lord Magister Grey because she's attracted too much of the wrong kind of attention?
What? What do people hope for the Grey College to do with this information?
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Just out of idle curiosity and almost certainly nothing to do with a plan titled "fast and hasty" I may or may not be working on, how do people feel about two overwork actions next turn?
Because by my back-of-the-envelope maths, we if we use both overwork actions on WEB-MAT actions, we can get 12 actions in total next turn (many apologies to Boney and his writing hand). 2 web-mat, 2-web-mat overwork, 2-free web-mat, 3 personal, 1 EIC, 1 Library, 1 Serenity. We will take a -10 malus on all actions the following turn, but we can fill that turn with a bunch of actions where other members of the waystone project do the heavy lifting for us, or low risk actions where we have a distinct advantage (learning a language, for example).
Because by my back-of-the-envelope maths, we if we use both overwork actions on WEB-MAT actions, we can get 12 actions in total next turn (many apologies to Boney and his writing hand). 2 web-mat, 2-web-mat overwork, 2-free web-mat, 3 personal, 1 EIC, 1 Library, 1 Serenity. We will take a -10 malus on all actions the following turn, but we can fill that turn with a bunch of actions where other members of the waystone project do the heavy lifting for us, or low risk actions where we have a distinct advantage (learning a language, for example).
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Is it? The only link I can think of is that the Grey College is inside one, but I don't know if that's so much a link as it is Teclis helping build a good environment for Grey Wizards, and "virtually undetectable and also easy to question the real location" is just part of that.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
[x] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
[x] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[x] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
I agree with this.
It told us a mixture of lies and truths to instill doubt on us, so that we would act in some way. What that way is, we do not know.
What we do know is that it is something we would not othervice do. After all, if it wanted us to keep going as we were, interacting with us would have been a mistake.
So, I propose we act as if the demon was never there. We report the breach in reality, as that is stansard protocol we would do. Anything about the Demon and the Everchosen we ignore.
If the Demon chose to reveal both itself and things about the Everchosen, it wants us to act on those things.
She only has four of the ten common Arcane Marks for Ulgu. There's still a long way to go before she'd have trouble finding a non-Ulgu part of her soul to use.
Killing is for enemies, and it's a high legal bar to prove that a Dwarf of the Karaz Ankor is an enemy of the Karaz Ankor. Incompetence, arrogance, greed, or some other character flaw that leads to disaster tops out at banishment. But someone who's been stripped of Karak, Clan, and Guild has no legal protection against being killed, so it's not unknown for someone who's turfed out of a Karak for wronging others to find retribution waiting for them at the hands of those they've wronged, or the families of those they've wronged.
They're not incapable of it, but someone that reaches Magister should have enough willpower and savvy to not be hoodwinked by them.
Canon Egrimm has a backstory where literally everyone in the Light Order was entirely incompetent. The Light Order in the quest is a bit more capable of recognizing that if a Wizard walks into a vault and a demon-possessed item starts telling him how super good at evil he would be and the Wizard says he wants to spend a whole bunch of time alone with this demon tchotchke, that might be something of a red flag. Especially if that Wizard's torso is entirely covered by Daemonic runes.
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[X] [BELEGAR] Daemon and weakening
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen, Daemon, and Mathilde's candidacy
If we vote to disclose everything, then we also are more likely to be able to get help to explore the whole "Fated" thing on our character sheet or on our soul.
That is... it's an easier explanation for why/how we got Fated (if we realize that we got it). Or maybe not easier, but, "I got this just by getting a phone call from a Daemon" is a bit of a "But why just that?" Or alternatively, if it is discoverable or identifiable, then somebody discovering and realizing it means Everchosen candidacy status, would be worse than if we'd already admitted to it.
... Also, if part of "Incoming Everchosen" means "telling them that Egrimm and Alric are, or at least were, on the list at some point" then we're fine with Egrimm and Alric getting whatever consequence comes about of being pointed at but not us? Furthermore, it's... if we tell them about 2 Everchosen candidates, but not about us, it makes us more suspicious or troubling if Fated is identifiable or if it later crops up.
Also, just, I think it's kind of cowardly. "I'm willing to throw 2 people under the bus, but not myself -- because I'm the reason the Waystone Project is happening, and because I don't want to maybe-die or maybe-get-sequestered-for-a-bit." In-universe and out of universe. Though granted "Yeah, so?" is a viable response. It's just kind of dickish.
And if we're not saying anything about Egrimm and Alric in the "Incoming Everchosen" bit, then... I'm not sure how much we're disclosing under the "Incoming Everchosen" topic at all, then.
I'd rather tear the bandaid off now and see what comes of it -- which might include help or answers on the whole 'Fated' bit, as otherwise how else would we explore it, other than, I dunno, seeking out priests of Ranald or something? -- than to curtail how much possible aid we can get and also live with the guilt, with this hanging over our heads.
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen, Daemon, and Mathilde's candidacy
If we vote to disclose everything, then we also are more likely to be able to get help to explore the whole "Fated" thing on our character sheet or on our soul.
That is... it's an easier explanation for why/how we got Fated (if we realize that we got it). Or maybe not easier, but, "I got this just by getting a phone call from a Daemon" is a bit of a "But why just that?" Or alternatively, if it is discoverable or identifiable, then somebody discovering and realizing it means Everchosen candidacy status, would be worse than if we'd already admitted to it.
... Also, if part of "Incoming Everchosen" means "telling them that Egrimm and Alric are, or at least were, on the list at some point" then we're fine with Egrimm and Alric getting whatever consequence comes about of being pointed at but not us? Furthermore, it's... if we tell them about 2 Everchosen candidates, but not about us, it makes us more suspicious or troubling if Fated is identifiable or if it later crops up.
Also, just, I think it's kind of cowardly. "I'm willing to throw 2 people under the bus, but not myself -- because I'm the reason the Waystone Project is happening, and because I don't want to maybe-die or maybe-get-sequestered-for-a-bit." In-universe and out of universe. Though granted "Yeah, so?" is a viable response. It's just kind of dickish.
And if we're not saying anything about Egrimm and Alric in the "Incoming Everchosen" bit, then... I'm not sure how much we're disclosing under the "Incoming Everchosen" topic at all, then.
I'd rather tear the bandaid off now and see what comes of it -- which might include help or answers on the whole 'Fated' bit, as otherwise how else would we explore it, other than, I dunno, seeking out priests of Ranald or something? -- than to curtail how much possible aid we can get and also live with the guilt, with this hanging over our heads.
Nothing, the information is fundamentally worthless as it is a warning without a timeline from a tainted source.
We've been told, I believe, that it's not on our soul. It's entirely external to us, and is Tzeentch telling his sorcery (which is quite possibly an extension of Him into reality) to play nice around us.
As it's not part of Mathilde it can't be helped with or changed save by Tzeentch changing his mind about his own magic.
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