Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Ghouls are a very nice baseline when it comes to minions for us. Strong, fast, tough, human smart, can blend in with humans and use human tools. Also no weaknesses like sunlight, iron or true love.
With us suppressing their curse they are basically human+. Which makes them very adaptive minions that can learn how to do just about any job we assign them.
Only problem being that they understandably are currently lacking in education.
With us suppressing their curse they are basically human+. Which makes them very adaptive minions that can learn how to do just about any job we assign them.
Only problem being that they understandably are currently lacking in education.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I look forward to Harry hearing that we have taken over undertown.
Hopefully we should manage to become something of a probiotic in this city. There are way too many cases of the BBEG of the week managing to take over local CoD and a abandoned warehouse or the like. If they are all serving us however those niches should already be prefilled so BBEGs can't just slip in.
Hopefully we should manage to become something of a probiotic in this city. There are way too many cases of the BBEG of the week managing to take over local CoD and a abandoned warehouse or the like. If they are all serving us however those niches should already be prefilled so BBEGs can't just slip in.
- Location
- Brazil, São Paulo, Cunha
[X] Spread the word, the powers that be are going to react to your message of succor soon so you need to get it out there as fast as possible
- Location
- United States
[X] Return to the daylight world and serve as your helpers there
[X] Split the party!
-[X] Those that have lived down here for a long time, spread the word, the powers that be are going to react to your message of succor soon so you need to get it out there as fast as possible
-[X] The ones who haven't spent long time in the Underground, like the girl who still remembers her table manners, return to the daylight world and serve as your helpers there
-[X] Those that have lived down here for a long time, spread the word, the powers that be are going to react to your message of succor soon so you need to get it out there as fast as possible
-[X] The ones who haven't spent long time in the Underground, like the girl who still remembers her table manners, return to the daylight world and serve as your helpers there
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
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Actually that makes more sense. I just sort of assumed that all of them would be starting from scratch when it came to establishing a life on the surface again so there wasn't any hurry, but if any of them have a in then they should take advantage of it. Also priming the pump on the surface to begin with will be useful when we want to help other minions establish themselves.
Also by splitting up the gang we cement ourselves as the authority over any previous power structure that they used to have. Which is a good thing considering the old leader was the sort to spend willpower to attack us.
Actually that makes more sense. I just sort of assumed that all of them would be starting from scratch when it came to establishing a life on the surface again so there wasn't any hurry, but if any of them have a in then they should take advantage of it. Also priming the pump on the surface to begin with will be useful when we want to help other minions establish themselves.
Also by splitting up the gang we cement ourselves as the authority over any previous power structure that they used to have. Which is a good thing considering the old leader was the sort to spend willpower to attack us.
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[X] Spread the word, the powers that be are going to react to your message of succor soon so you need to get it out there as fast as possible
While Spawn Pit Sanctification would allow us to make the ghouls stronger, it is also the cruellest and least humane of the fomori Charms.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Debatable all of the methods mention being painful. Drowning someone or the like. At least this one is quick.
It is nice mass production. The other charms need investments of time and essence for every convert. Also it makes it so that one of the flaws is always just an unwillingness to defy our will rather than something like say people eating, radioactivity or the like.
Admittedly I don't know that much about fomori because the rules for them isn't in the download.
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Spreading the word seems a bit premature to me.
For one thing, no matter how many ghouls we have it basically means nothing to powers like winter or the red court. They're marginally effective against wizards, but they're inefficient if you care about casualties.
We barely have work for the ones we have, and having more won't really do much for us yet.
More directly, if we're doing this we should do it right. I find the idea of having people answering to us, investing their trust and loyalty in us, and then leaving them living in the sewers.
We shouldn't take on more than we can sustain, and properly rebuilding (or building for the first time even) the lives of even ten people is something that will require substantial resources and time.
We don't have to do it all at once, or have it all available at the start, but having effectively nothing and no actionable plan to change that while recruiting the desperate and destitute to do our bidding leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
For one thing, no matter how many ghouls we have it basically means nothing to powers like winter or the red court. They're marginally effective against wizards, but they're inefficient if you care about casualties.
We barely have work for the ones we have, and having more won't really do much for us yet.
More directly, if we're doing this we should do it right. I find the idea of having people answering to us, investing their trust and loyalty in us, and then leaving them living in the sewers.
We shouldn't take on more than we can sustain, and properly rebuilding (or building for the first time even) the lives of even ten people is something that will require substantial resources and time.
We don't have to do it all at once, or have it all available at the start, but having effectively nothing and no actionable plan to change that while recruiting the desperate and destitute to do our bidding leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Spawn Pit Sanctification is also the only form of fomor creation that works on supernatural creatures. All the rest only work on regular mortals.
It's quite deliberate that the only way to get already supernaturally empowered fomor is by far the most horrific and has the greatest side effects.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Agreed. Mostly because it will stretch our resources to employ more than just these plus our normal draconic obligations.
Throw in more and... yeah. I'd give it a week?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I feel like you are infantisming them too much. They are intelligent beings that happen to currently be suffering under an affliction. If we lift said affliction and tell them to help each other get on their feet I would expect them to manage very well without us needing to carry them every step of the way. After all they are currently managing to survive with a stone around their necks.
Allow them a chance for some dignity.
Or in other words. They are already currently living in the sewers. Don't act like delaying means that they are spending less time in the sewers.
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If nothing else, we can always send them to do work for others. Like, hire them out as security, provide Dresden (on Council's pay) some hired muscle, organize work crews to at least clear out the rubble. They are supernaturally tough and strong. And now don't suffer from any maladies of their condition. There's a market in that.
It should be noted though that as ghouls go these are by far the least fortunate. The Tigress these people are not, they have no clan and up until well now they had no patron.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
So in other words others when they spread the word to that decide to join us might be better able to help their fellow minions.
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OctarineShrike
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Let's start with security.
[X] Help with security, keep other factions away from the Last Station
[X] Help with security, keep other factions away from the Last Station
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[X] Help with security, keep other factions away from the Last Station
I am torn. I definitely want the ones who still have some life left on the surface to get it back. But the ones remaining underground, I am torn between spreading the word and security. Security seems logical from "crawl before you run" perspective. Spreading the word is "control the narrative" option.
EDIT: It comes down to "do we want to be an active player in the Underground now, or do we come back to it later?".
EDIT: It comes down to "do we want to be an active player in the Underground now, or do we come back to it later?".
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COMMENTARY
-Mouse and Charity are certainly getting an eyeful of what Molly is about.
-Loving the Sumerian. That was a very nice touch.
Its interesting to see that speaking ancient Sumerian procs as Occult knowledge.
I wonder if ancient Etruscan will as well. The threat was hilarious though.
-Confirmed that this was the pack we ran into, since we recognize one.
We have names for six of the nine: Adam the leader, Sarah the youngest, Lena, Jim, and two called Bones and Lockjaw.
The names of the first four suggest that they are first generation ghouls, born of human descent relatively recently; the last two might either be significantly older, or might be second/third/fourth generation ghouls born in the wild and orphaned.
-Hockey gear is not particularly out of the ordinary.
Police combat gear is a lot more eyeraising and combined with the Jason mask is proof the leader at least has had dealings with people aboveground. People with access to police issue equipment and either too arrogant or too poor to simply buy civilian body armor from a gunstore, instead misappropriating police gear.
This is something to watch out for.
-Acquisition of skill from the bodies of the dead?
That puts a different spin on their preference for human meat if anthropophagy might actually result in the accelerated acquisition of survival skills and memories from the dead.
Yet Molly calls them accursed by their makers, suggesting that their condition is deliberately inflicted.
We could always come back and use one ghoul as a focus to discover the truth. Later.
-Moderate monthly grocery bill for a single adult is ~$300 as per the USDA in 2019.
Assuming they are consuming 2x the food of an adult human which would be $600/month, nine ghouls will have a monthly grocery bill of $5600.
And thats before other stuff like (used) clothes and bedding and camping gear and even entertainment, if we can get our hands on stuff like a used laptop or a radio. And of course, protective gear and (blunt)weapons, for deterrence in case someone attempts to take this stuff from them by force. Si vis pacem, para bellum, after all.
We can mitigate some of those costs by making the items ourselves, but this still represents a significant ongoing cash outlay.
Good thing we are making more precious stones, and hired Thomas to help secure our cash flow.
We're going to need that cash. Soon.
TLF should probably ave applied to most of these rolls.
Doesnt matter though.
Occult still loves us though.
Point of order: Preference for human meat, not compulsion.
Any form of meat will do. Or would do, prior to MiS kicking in.
We should be willing to accept people we stumble upon, but we do not have the logistic resources to be involved in largescale active recruitment.
And frankly, the big hitters wont care; if they wanted ghouls they have recruited them a long time ago.
Some already have.
The others have qualitatively and quantitatively better forces.
What has that got to do with ghoul recruitment? If you are under the impression that ghoul recruitment is of any sort of relevance on that scale, you are mistaken. Look at the 1st and 2nd Battle of Cleveland last story arc, and remember that those were minor detachments of force by mid-tier supernatural nations.
There are three reasons we're recruiting here:
-Clearing up the vicinity of our worksite
-Asset denial to potential enemies, so that people like Kattrin cant just roll into town, spend a couple hundred dollars and pick up a set of disposable mooks
-Humanitarian reasons
None of them include them making us too big to be attacked.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
We don't have the time and resources (but mostly the time!) to manage the repercussions that spreading the news will cause, not if we want to be able do other stuff beyond manage a small section of the Undertown. We need more people and a secure base of operations before making it generally known that we're here and that we can ease Hunger and other detrimental supernatural conditions.
[X] Help with security, keep other factions away from the Last Station
[X] Help with security, keep other factions away from the Last Station