Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition

Retcon: Should General Horner (the MC) have been The Magistrate (Starcraft 1 PC)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 43.8%
  • No

    Votes: 29 36.3%
  • This does not matter to me

    Votes: 16 20.0%

  • Total voters
    80
  • Poll closed .
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.
[X] Plan: Reconstruction Blitz
 
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[X] Plan: Reconstruction Blitz

The sooner we make contact with Starke, the sooner we reach Valerian, and he's going to be an important part in ensuring we can remove Mengsk without risking either the UED or the Zerg destroying the Dominion.
 
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.
 
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.
[X] Plan: Reconstruction Blitz
 
When I first read the title, I thought the Dominion in question was the Star Trek one.

So, pleasantly surprised.

It's been an interesting read even if the sheer industrial capability of Terrans seems to be downplayed for this games' purposes.
 
When I first read the title, I thought the Dominion in question was the Star Trek one.

So, pleasantly surprised.

It's been an interesting read even if the sheer industrial capability of Terrans seems to be downplayed for this games' purposes.
IDK if it's really being THAT downplayed, we've managed to rebuild large portions of several planets within a year and a half despite a severe SCV shortage and everything being on fire and/or covered in Zerg and not having a functional government at the beginning of it and needing to build for the first time basic social services like education and medical care.
 
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[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.

The length of plan names is going direction of light novels.
 
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.

Guns for reynor, also solid otherwise.
 
One thing worth noting is that a good portion of Raynor's Raiders are on Aiur, right now. Dealing with the mess that is the uncontrollable mass of bugs on the planet and trying to rally scattered survivors. Their need for more weapons is absolutely time sensitive given that they're in active combat on the most zerg infested planet in the galaxy.
That's a good point and I'm favoring.

[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.

Guns for Jimmy.

Inspector-General should wait until after we've finished recruiting from the ex-cons, and havea trusted group of them into confidence.
Again, I think there's a real case for just not having the Inspector General. The kind of stuff a disciplined, corruption-free government wouldn't allow its bureaucracy to get away with is to a large extent our bread and butter. We're personally taking a huge slush fund straight out of the budget, engaging in insider trading, and directing our people to make deals with illegal organizations.

Can we really afford to set the precedent that the are capital-R Rules to be enforced within the system right now? Because it's ultimately Mengsk who gets to decide those rules, not us.

We will be appointing them remember the whole point is to use them to root out other peoples corruption unless you like the idea of the supplies we want to send to the Raiders going into some profiteering assholes pocket because we've got no way to look for them.
Yeah.

On the other hand, sooner or later someone in the IG's office who's following paper trails around is gonna get the bright idea of following the paper trails of the corrupt stuff we're doing.

In real life, one of the big reasons corrupt governments stay corrupt is because every powerful person in the system is relying on corruption to remain in power and get things done. Trying to root out the low-level corruption risks having the juniors and flunkies start reporting to the secret police on your corruption, which they know about because they're the guys on the ground making it happen.

While in some abstract sense from the point of view of the disembodied spirit of a national economy or whatever, this is bad... That's where we live. Our reality centers around this admittedly unwelcome situation. I'm pretty sure that in this situation, we can't actually risk destabilizing the Treasury by digging up corruption on a large scale (aside from crudely putting on the boots and kicking when it gets too inconvenient). Because a lot of our employees could probably screw us over just the way we'd be screwing them over.

Yeah so when I first thought about it I thought about a more honest Inspector-General who is basically independent of their own boss and even monitors them. But that is not what this is, not really. Its a much more under our control - we appoint him, we direct him, we decide on what his decisions will be. From what it seems its not "he will even monitor us" and instead it is "he will make sure the resources we assign to particular areas get to where WE want them to be." He is our man.

I'm not so much against it as I was before.

(That said if I am wrong in this interpretation please tell me, because if he is actually full honest to even our own actions then yeah, I don't want to do this project.)
I'm not saying you're flat wrong, but once this office is established and regularly hunting for people who aren't doing what they "should" be doing, it's going to be hard to ensure that it remains fully reliable and on our side. Especially to the point of backing up our crimes and corruption while still kicking at the crimes and corruption of our underlings.

I think it might be easier and more sustainable for us to just get our Treasury people to accept "Good old Boss Chuck is corrupt, but he's not a hypocrite about it, I'm not going to worry about his slush fund that's big enough to literally float a squadron of battlecruisers, because he's not going to worry about my slush fund that's big enough to float a dropship."
 
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[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.
 
[X] Plan Trust Us Mengsk, This Dagger Is Just For Measuring Your Back w/ Statplans and Personal Fringe Benefits.

I'm comfortable with this, next turn we can take a breather I think and maybe set up the company and union support option. Lower DCs are always appealing.
 
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...I admit, it does feel weird to see an offshoot of my plan that doesn't even begin working with the unions in ANY capacity. It's not enough to make me start rambling and ranting, since it's mostly still my plan, but it does seem to value Raynor more than literally everything else in the entire section? Which seems a weird evaluation to me.
 
Again, I think there's a real case for just not having the Inspector General. The kind of stuff a disciplined, corruption-free government wouldn't allow its bureaucracy to get away with is to a large extent our bread and butter. We're personally taking a huge slush fund straight out of the budget, engaging in insider trading, and directing our people to make deals with illegal organizations.

Can we really afford to set the precedent that the are capital-R Rules to be enforced within the system right now? Because it's ultimately Mengsk who gets to decide those rules, not us.

So I know that this wasn't directly to me, but yeah, I agree. Like the reason I am coming around to us having it is because a lot of people want it and I wanted to get my mind in a good place for it. But yes, while I do think an "Office of Internal Security" or "Office of Internal Review" would be useful the idea of what the Inspector-General does seems a little more than what we need.

So yeah, I'm al for us NOT having it.

On the other hand, sooner or later someone in the IG's office who's following paper trails around is gonna get the bright idea of following the paper trails of the corrupt stuff we're doing.

In real life, one of the big reasons corrupt governments stay corrupt is because every powerful person in the system is relying on corruption to remain in power and get things done. Trying to root out the low-level corruption risks having the juniors and flunkies start reporting to the secret police on your corruption, which they know about because they're the guys on the ground making it happen.

While in some abstract sense from the point of view of the disembodied spirit of a national economy or whatever, this is bad... That's where we live. Our reality centers around this admittedly unwelcome situation. I'm pretty sure that in this situation, we can't actually risk destabilizing the Treasury by digging up corruption on a large scale (aside from crudely putting on the boots and kicking when it gets too inconvenient). Because a lot of our employees could probably screw us over just the way we'd be screwing them over.

Yep, this is my worry as well.

I'm not saying you're flat wrong, but once this office is established and regularly hunting for people who aren't doing what they "should" be doing, it's going to be hard to ensure that it remains fully reliable and on our side. Especially to the point of backing up our crimes and corruption while still kicking at the crimes and corruption of our underlings.

I think it might be easier and more sustainable for us to just get our Treasury people to accept "Good old Boss Chuck is corrupt, but he's not a hypocrite about it, I'm not going to worry about his slush fund that's big enough to literally float a squadron of battlecruisers, because he's not going to worry about my slush fund that's big enough to float a dropship."

Yep totally. Its just begging for trouble. The only way it wouldn't be trouble is if its on a tight leash and only released when and how we want it to be. I'm not sure if that is possible or likely but it is an idea.

I mean with it being based on the Confederacy system and that being corrupt, its going to be less corrupt than the old system but more corrupt than WE (as in us in the real world) would want it to be.

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On the topic of the unions, while I am glad we made contact with more groups I don't see the need to fastrack either their legalization or the union sites. I see other elements coming first and taking on priority. Its why I voted for the plans I did, neither had union stuff as a current focus.

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I do want to mention, since this seems a bit forgotten about, but our character is loyal to the idea of the Dominion, its Mengsk that he is not so great on. So he wouldn't do anything to risk destabilizing the Dominion as a nation. Which is why I also wish to focus more on aiding in the reconstruction and rebuilding and the enhancement and the 'bettering' - its more important to create a strong, functional, capable government.
 
Workers unionizing? What's next, marines and firebats not wanting to get tossed into the meatgrinder against swarms of zerglings and hydralisks with protoss orbital lasers burning everything in sight?

I'm trying to imagine band-selecting a squad of those guys and sending them at the zerg base, then all I hear is "no way, sir".

And then while we're busy negotiating health care compensation packages, the zerg come in and eat everyone before the Protoss glass the planet.
 
By the way, as an aside to what is being talked about, rereading this action makes me think it would come in handy to implement it, once we have the resources etc etc.

Brontes: Refloating the Fleet (Phase 2)
The second stage of the Brontes salvage operation involves building a permanent scrapyard and recycling facility in orbit over the planet, thereby providing the war-torn world with an immediate industry for employment and productivity. This will also substantially speed up your efforts to refloat the wrecked capital ships still floating around.
(-10 Paranoia)
(Progress 37/400, -20R per die)

It will clean up the area, give us resources, and also provide employment - or at least it might lead to us being able to implement such a thing, and that could come in handy in the future.

I understand that costs are difficult right now, so its not as high a priority as other rebuilding attempts but I hope we don't forget about it.
 
Again, I think there's a real case for just not having the Inspector General. The kind of stuff a disciplined, corruption-free government wouldn't allow its bureaucracy to get away with is to a large extent our bread and butter. We're personally taking a huge slush fund straight out of the budget, engaging in insider trading, and directing our people to make deals with illegal organizations.

Can we really afford to set the precedent that the are capital-R Rules to be enforced within the system right now? Because it's ultimately Mengsk who gets to decide those rules, not us.
I think that there are a few factors that you aren't really considering in this analysis. First, and perhaps most importantly, like @HeruKane hinted at, we don't need to push for a fully honest bureaucracy. I don't want us to do that, for the reasons you have already mentioned. I want to keep the graft manageable, not eliminate it entirely. I don't want to be losing a third of our budget each turn because of graft. I'm pretty sure we can choose to hunt down the worst offenders while leaving the small fry alone.

All the Inspector General does from a mechanical perspective is unlock projects. We choose if and when we do them. If there was a warning about unforeseen consequences like with Leaking, then maybe there could be a problem. Thankfully, there is not.

The second can be summed up in three simple words, Mengsk already knows. Not everything, of course, but he knows we have a slush fund whose proceeds are going to who knows where. The DC's for personal actions, they're to keep him from getting a hint of what we're doing that raises his Paranoia. If we're able to hide from Mengsk's infamous paranoia, I'm fairly certain we're safe from annoying do-gooders or vengeful crooked bureaucrats. All that leaves is the fact that we have a slush fund, and again, Mengsk already knows we have one.

Anyways if Mengsk wants to tighten the reins on us, he can do so anytime by assigning Security the duties of the Inspector General. At least if we do it ourselves it makes it less likely he assigns Security to do it for us. I can legitimately see him doing so as a favor to us.

After all, why would his good buddy Horner have a problem with that? His time and resources are freed up to better serve the Dominion, and it's not like Horner is conspiring behind Mengsk's back or anything. We undoubtedly could say no, but it'll do bad things to our Paranoia, which is even worse since he'd probably do it at the yearly poker game.

Another issue is that the per-die costs of projects are likely only going up. With Neotextiles about to hit it's capstone, we need more projects to reduce costs, and this looks like our best bet at the moment.
 
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