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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
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Combined with the fact that she speaks several languages, I think its clear Lydia has much better Academics than Molly does :V.
Less raw Intelligence probably, but at least two dots, possibly three dots in Academics.
Private Tutors 1, American Public Education 0 :V

-Lol at Molly about to cut a bitch, not for insulting her, but for insulting her dad.

-A mid 90s laptop? In 2006? Arawn was a luddite confirmed.
He could certainly have afforded a much better PC, especially. Even the need for shielding against magic is no excuse.
Lydia should probably get a modern IBM Thinkbook, or a Mac.

-We can probably find out who Rose of Autumn is trivially.
She's a woman in Chicago and she has an account on this forum. Her mention of a teacher suggests she is either a Venator or a lesser talent. With her IP address and hacking the local ISP we could track her to her apartment.

But she's doing us a solid, and taking a risk in doing so given that the occult murders in Chicago were less than a week ago.
Plus there's no indication she's in danger at the moment. Lets not freak her out.

-Things behind the curtain that humanity's ancestors worshipped?
Another allusion to the Age of Unreason thing that Le Blanc talked about.
Appropriate for Halloween

- Strength. Speed. Perception. Persuasion.
Physical mutations of limbs and eyes. Poison breath, poison touch. Jump Good.

Mechanically, most of the physical aspects sound very much like they are modelled by the Fomori Gifts from W20.
The rest sounds like a mix of the Infernal Paths from the Sorcery book of M20, some of the Yomi King stuff from Kindred of the Esst, and the Hellish Investments from the back of ExWoD.

-In-universe, this sounds like they're cousins of the Stygian Sisterhood from the Thomas short story Backup.
Which means there are almost certainly true Venatori around here.
Might be worth looking around.

Of course, its worth remembering that the Archive uses White Court vampires as Venatori as well as mortals. Nothing preventing a Rampire being one in theory. There's a non-zero chance Don Phillipe, or someone in his coterie, is a true Venator.
Which might mean we cant afford to kill him.
 
uju32 said:
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Combined with the fact that she speaks several languages, I think its clear Lydia has much better Academics than Molly does :V.
Less raw Intelligence probably, but at least two dots, possibly three dots in Academics.
Private Tutors 1, American Public Education 0
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She does, but that is not what made Molly envious here, Lydia can use her excellency on academics. She can throw inhuman dice pools at a pop quiz if she wants, of course she does not go to school so she does not get pop quizzes, but it's the principle of the matter. :V
 
Maybe the Rose will be calmed down if we tell her we don't need to sell anything for power.
We already have a sun's worth of nuclear fire burning in our soul.
 
DragonParadox said:
She does, but that is not what made Molly envious here, Lydia can use her excellency on academics. She can throw inhuman dice pools at a pop quiz if she wants, of course she does not go to school so she does not get pop quizzes, but it's the principle of the matter. :V
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For 1 minute per use though.

She can solve one or two of the hardest question by Excellency, then she is either back to normal or starts glowing.
 
DragonParadox said:
It is called Verdant Emptiness Endowment. The text of it is as follows:

Even the damned pray, and the Infernal may choose to answer these prayers. When the Infernal hears another being express a wish to be something they currently are not (stronger, smarter, more beautiful, more wealthy, and so forth), she may reach out with her Essence to grant the stated wish, even if the wish was not uttered in serious expectation of fulfillment. There is, of course, a price.

System: Upon hearing an uttered wish, the Infernal may spend 5 Essence to grant it. The world conspires to bring about the Infernal's blessing as soon as possible, usually within the same scene. The beneficiary knows only that the hand of fortune is upon them, and they may accept or reject it. Rejection costs a point of Willpower. Sensing the sinister price attached to the gift requires a Perception + Awareness roll against difficulty 8.
The Infernal can grant any of the following: a dot of an Attribute; a dot of an Ability; a dot of a Background; a Merit; or she can remove a Flaw. No character can have more than one wish granted in the course of a year. There are two hidden prices to the Infernal's gift.
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What's your opinion on the houserule that requires you to fulfill the target's wish with your own personal efforts, instead of simply conjuring up a miracle? Seems slightly less broken. It's not like that kind of thing is all that difficult for an Exalt, still.
 
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[X]Close up for the night
-[X]Thank Rose. Promise to talk to Dresden by phone next day. Admit to being in Cleveland for the next few weeks with family and if theres any contacts in the Cleveland area she would recommend
-[X]Send a DM(devil message) to Mouse via Burny(Clippy to Burny) to give Dresden and Bob a name and description of the Pathfinders and request any information they can provide on them and Don Phillipe de Leon. Plus any supernatural contact in Cleveland Dresden would recommend.
-[X]Research: Cyberdevils (while Molly is asleep. 8 hours.)
--[X]Check for Finnish-American ancestry among list of Soul's Rest residents and staff, and Dreamless Rest subjects. 4 hours.
--[X]Look for any recent resident deaths, staff hirings or firings at Souls Rest and their contact info; we already got access to their computer system. 2 hours
--[X]Look for signs of Red Court infiltration of the Cleveland PD. Start with Le Blanc's phone, emails and call/contact history; we have phone access. 2 hours.
-[X]Write in suggestions for what to do tomorrow (Optional):
--[X]Check burner email
--[X]Phone calls and/or visit to family or grave of any recently dead resident for Lydia to take a look.
--[X]Tour of the facility as friends doing a favor for a Finnish-American family.
--[X]Track down any Soul's staff that recently quit or were fired.
--[X]Look for the local supernatural hangouts


Mostly self-explanatory.
 
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Gnarker said:
What's your opinion on the houserule that requires you to fulfill the target's wish with your own personal efforts, instead of simply conjuring up a miracle? Seems slightly less broken. It's not like that kind of thing is all that difficult for an Exalt, still.
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Why would we even need a charm for that?
 
uju32 said:
-A mid 90s laptop? In 2006? Arawn was a luddite confirmed.
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In 2007 I made a report on my student's practice on a mid 90s noutbook. I did not have personal noutbook at that time, we did not have enough comps, and "little coffin" heroicly worked for two weeks constantly.
It was a puzzle to keep size of a doc file less than 1,4 Mb.
 
uju32 said:
[X]Close up for the night
-[X]Thank Rose. Promise to talk to Dresden by phone next day. Admit to being in Cleveland for the next few weeks with family and if theres any contacts in the Cleveland area she would recommend
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That's a bad idea as presented. Nothing worse than a concerned bystander trying to help without enough competence. She seemed concerned enough to try and rush here. Best case scenario she's a venator and knows what she's doing, but I don't think she is.
 
Gnarker said:
What's your opinion on the houserule that requires you to fulfill the target's wish with your own personal efforts, instead of simply conjuring up a miracle? Seems slightly less broken. It's not like that kind of thing is all that difficult for an Exalt, still.
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....... Why would we want a charm which is extremely expensive to use to be very inefficient in time as well along with adding artificial limitations?

The Fullfill Prayer charm which is quite similar to the Verdant charm, only for worshippers does not require the exalted personal long term attention as a requirement. Only essence and it having limitations of us messing with probability and fate and other conditions. Even the lesser version is a miracle. Why can't the Verdant charm be a miracle as well?

Fulfill Prayer (•••) The Exalt very lightly sets her fingers upon the threads of fate and fortune, tugging them into closer alignment with an offered prayer so that it is more likely to come true. This is a very minor miracle: it can't raise the dead or conjure wealth from thin air. It merely nudges reality toward desirable outcomes, and the more humble the prayer, the more likely it is to be granted. It cannot cure a worshiper's cancer, but might drive it into remission for a few years – or at least until the postulant sees his son graduate. The Exalt cannot answer her own prayers, but there's nothing stopping her from lavishing her favor upon the prayers of others that best align with her own wishes or agenda. System: The Exalt spends 1 Essence and makes a Perception + Occult roll with a difficulty equal to the local Gauntlet rating. The more successes garnered, the more strongly fate and fortune will work to grant the selected prayer. This is a matter of storytelling rather than solid systems, but protecting "blessed" actions from botches or granting free specialties are within reason, if some systems manifestations of this Charm are needed. This Charm can't answer prayers more than a week old, and the prayers must be offered directly to the Exalt in the sincere and uncynical belief that she is a supernatural being capable of using her power to grant miracles to those she favors.
 
Gnarker said:
What's your opinion on the houserule that requires you to fulfill the target's wish with your own personal efforts, instead of simply conjuring up a miracle? Seems slightly less broken. It's not like that kind of thing is all that difficult for an Exalt, still.
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I think they miss the point of the charm, this is not meant to be a thing you hand to your dear friend for which you would go out and slay dragons or whose soul you would carefully empower with insight or good fortune. I mean you can use it like that, but this is not the path of least resistance, the purpose of the charm in the baseline Infernal play-style. VEE is something you grant on mass to dozens, hundreds of cultists ultimately to create a core of fanatics who will kill and die in your name, it is what you use to twist the hand of politicians businessmen and generals on pain of eternal torrent. It is the poor saps who get those wishes, perhaps even unknowingly who have to deal with the consequences not you.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think they miss the point of the charm, this is not meant to be a thing you hand to your dear friend for which you would go out and slay dragons or whose soul you would carefully empower with insight or good fortune. I mean you can use it like that, but this is not the path of least resistance, the purpose of the charm in the baseline Infernal play-style. VEE is something you grant on mass to dozens, hundreds of cultists ultimately to create a core of fanatics who will kill and die in your name, it is what you use to twist the hand of politicians businessmen and generals on pain of eternal torrent. It is the poor saps who get those wishes, perhaps even unknowingly who have to deal with the consequences not you.
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Also if your playing exalted you really shouldn't be looking from a perspective of balance.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think they miss the point of the charm, this is not meant to be a thing you hand to your dear friend for which you would go out and slay dragons or whose soul you would carefully empower with insight or good fortune. I mean you can use it like that, but this is not the path of least resistance, the purpose of the charm in the baseline Infernal play-style. VEE is something you grant on mass to dozens, hundreds of cultists ultimately to create a core of fanatics who will kill and die in your name, it is what you use to twist the hand of politicians businessmen and generals on pain of eternal torrent. It is the poor saps who get those wishes, perhaps even unknowingly who have to deal with the consequences not you.
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As far as I understand it's a 5 dot charm that is basically 1 step removed from making the you the "hell" part in the "bartering with hell" magic described at the back of the book. Actually... At which point would an Infernal Exalt be a viable target for the "Invitation of Poisoned Dreams" sorcery? If they have their own Hell Kingdom, and have the "Verdant Emptiness Endowment", would they not be able to act as the hellish forces bartering for people's souls?

And, if yes, what would we even do with those?
 
Yog said:
As far as I understand it's a 5 dot charm that is basically 1 step removed from making the you the "hell" part in the "bartering with hell" magic described at the back of the book. Actually... At which point would an Infernal Exalt be a viable target for the "Invitation of Poisoned Dreams" sorcery? If they have their own Hell Kingdom, and have the "Verdant Emptiness Endowment", would they not be able to act as the hellish forces bartering for people's souls?

And, if yes, what would we even do with those?
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*looks at notes on current arc*
I cannot really comment on the utility of souls without spoilers about the cosmology. That said yes you would technically be able to trade in souls if you became strong enough
 
Yog said:
That's a bad idea as presented. Nothing worse than a concerned bystander trying to help without enough competence. She seemed concerned enough to try and rush here. Best case scenario she's a venator and knows what she's doing, but I don't think she is.
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1)This is a pseudonymous site.
She doesnt know our name, identity or location. She has a family, a job, maybe a boyfriend or spouse, maybe kids. A life.
She isnt charging down for some stranger she has never met.

She wasnt even going to ask us to meet her when she thought we were in Chicago.
Thats why she referred us to Dresden.

2)Most people cant afford to drop everything in their lives to go offer help to strangers.
And its easy to underestimate just how big the US is.

Chicago is 344 miles/six hours from Cleveland, driving at roughly 60mph/96kph with no slowdowns and a single 30 minute break.
Only a saint or a crazy person is going to drive that distance on the basis of a ten minute Internet conversation.
People like Michael and Dresden are rare.
 
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uju32 said:
-[X]Thank Rose. Promise to talk to Dresden by phone next day. Admit to being in Cleveland for the next few weeks with family and if theres any contacts in the Cleveland area she would recommend
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Maybe tell her not to worry about us and soon about the local chapter of Pathfinder.
She can read the news next week, propably.
 
uju32 said:
1)This is a pseudonymous site.
She doesnt know our name, identity or location. She has a family, a job, maybe a boyfriend or spouse, maybe kids. A life.
She isnt charging down for some stranger she has never met.

She wasnt even going to ask us to meet her when she thought we were in Chicago.
Thats why she referred us to Dresden.
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She was referring us to Dresden as someone more competent. if she is a practitioner of some kind (likely a minor one, given that she can use computers), she can likely at least try to scry for us, and it's quite possible that we are easy to scry for, given the whole exaltation thing.
uju32 said:
2)Most people cant afford to drop everything in their lives to go offer help to strangers.
And its easy to underestimate just how big the US is.

Chicago is 344 miles/six hours from Cleveland, driving at roughly 60mph/96kph with no slowdowns and a single 30 minute break.
Only a saint or a crazy person is going to drive that distance on the basis of a ten minute Internet conversation.
People like Michael and Dresden are rare.
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She suffered a personal tragedy by the looks of it, and it, by the looks of it, affected her greatly. I think you underestimate people by a lot, if you think that it would take a saint to try and prevent another one.

At the very least I expect this to phone Harry if not immediately. Do we want to have Dresden running into the middle of this? We at least should warn him that the one she'll be talking about is us.
 
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