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It's - it's dispensation directly from the Emperor. You literally cannot get more official.
Please elaborate on how direct dispensation from the Emperor weakens the project's foundations?
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Please elaborate on how direct dispensation from the Emperor weakens the project's foundations?
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Well, i feel like going through the Colleges is the best solution. While Alric may be able to muscle his way into the waystone project, i don't really see it as something he'd do? It would be a shared reward, who's glory and prestige would mostly go to Mathilda, who is the unifying force behind the Elves, Dwarfs and Kislev people gathering up here. And i doubt he could just usurp controll that easily, in this case.
So for the sake of his goal of entrenching into the position of patriac, i don't see Waystone project as something that's that viable, at least not compared to other options he has. And while Alric might be spitefull towards Mathilda, this is a project who will kinda be backed by Elves, Dwarfs, Ulrics and several collages. It just seems way to politically risky to try and mess with it like that for essentially no gain beside spite.
Furthermore, as we study more waystones people will find out about the Dhar part. It's kinda inevtiable due to the fact that it's the whole goal of the project. And if the desired goal is to spread the knowledge on how waystones work, that part would be included. I think it's better to show that we are following the articles to the best of our ability, and going through the proper procedures instead of just trying to subtle do this stuff in the background.
Like, Sigmaraties might be suspicious, but i think it's better to have them know "Matilda knew of the Dhar and openly talked about this" instead of "Mathilda knew of the Dhar, and tried to hide it as much as she could",. While both of those are quite suspicious, one of them is far more then the other, no?
Overall, i feel like College is the best way forward here
[X] College Dispensation
So for the sake of his goal of entrenching into the position of patriac, i don't see Waystone project as something that's that viable, at least not compared to other options he has. And while Alric might be spitefull towards Mathilda, this is a project who will kinda be backed by Elves, Dwarfs, Ulrics and several collages. It just seems way to politically risky to try and mess with it like that for essentially no gain beside spite.
Furthermore, as we study more waystones people will find out about the Dhar part. It's kinda inevtiable due to the fact that it's the whole goal of the project. And if the desired goal is to spread the knowledge on how waystones work, that part would be included. I think it's better to show that we are following the articles to the best of our ability, and going through the proper procedures instead of just trying to subtle do this stuff in the background.
Like, Sigmaraties might be suspicious, but i think it's better to have them know "Matilda knew of the Dhar and openly talked about this" instead of "Mathilda knew of the Dhar, and tried to hide it as much as she could",. While both of those are quite suspicious, one of them is far more then the other, no?
Overall, i feel like College is the best way forward here
[X] College Dispensation
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The only lore I can find for it suggests that oath gold is extremely pure native gold, so it wouldn't be the same thing.
deathofrats0808
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I think Oathgold was created for Age of Reckoning. Would be a nice use of it here though.
No, Ulthuan was not always floating. Canonically the Elves absolutely use the Waystone Network to keep the island afloat. Arguably this is still used for the Vortex though, as if Ulthuan were to sink, you can bet your boots that Chaos would try and claim the thing. Which would be bad.
Why not do all the above sans abandonment of the project. The more people who give the okay. The more soft power we build.
I mean if they have the choice of us (and all the people we brought in) or 'that dude over there who has a contested seat in one of the colleges' I think they will step in quite readily especially since a sovereign nation does not need to give a reason why someone is not invited.
[x] Imperial Dispensation
Dragomas is the guy who negotiated a completely unplanned-for treaty on behalf of the Empire as a Journeyman and got promoted for it. He's not going to be mad we went and bypassed some inconvenient politics.
Once we have this dispensation from the Emperor's desk, it'll just go to be filed in some dusty archive along with all the Emperor's decisions that don't need to be publicized (read, a gazillion individual adjustments of budget items and disputes over obscure legal interpretation) until the day when we need to actually prove to someone that we have it. Which means there's little risk of it being discovered before we're ready.
At that point we can have our ducks in a row politically, to make it so that the already not cost free action of reversing an Emperor's decision is much more expensive. By this I mean securing the favor of the new Emperor or bribing a lot of Elector Counts of course.
Dragomas is the guy who negotiated a completely unplanned-for treaty on behalf of the Empire as a Journeyman and got promoted for it. He's not going to be mad we went and bypassed some inconvenient politics.
Once we have this dispensation from the Emperor's desk, it'll just go to be filed in some dusty archive along with all the Emperor's decisions that don't need to be publicized (read, a gazillion individual adjustments of budget items and disputes over obscure legal interpretation) until the day when we need to actually prove to someone that we have it. Which means there's little risk of it being discovered before we're ready.
At that point we can have our ducks in a row politically, to make it so that the already not cost free action of reversing an Emperor's decision is much more expensive. By this I mean securing the favor of the new Emperor or bribing a lot of Elector Counts of course.
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Ok but if they have the choice of us and the politically well connected person who could help them not go to war then that's what they would choose I'm pretty sure. Your thread of 'going and taking our dwarf with us" is a incredible hollow thread in the face of losing the project all together.
Because if instead of using regular channels to get approval for your scientific research, you use your friendship with the president's consort to go to the White House and talk the highest authority of the land into approving use of fissile materials... Well, it may be official and perhaps even legal, but it sure as hell is dodgy.
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Ulthuan is floating?
When the project is about building a energy shield that can cover the whole of the united states and protect it from nuclear fire. Not really.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Ulthuan is a floating island. It's why the Skaven have no real presence there, because they can't tunnel to it.
Er... I feel like you are seriously inflating how well connected the man who is desperately trying to save Dieter's family because he was chased out of so many provinces. Also the threat is not in the least hollow, we could do it and the elves would have no reason to doubt it.
This line of argument has convinced me to change my vote. I now want Alric to try something just for the chance to politically humiliate him again. He did not know it was us last time.
[X] College Dispensation
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The official chain of command is more official, which Mathilde would bypass.
Now, if Mathilde were clean it wouldn't seem so risky, IMO. But she isn't due to her Divided Loyalties.
I also think it's weird how folks put the project off to get as many ducks in a row together for this, only to flinch when the first test of all that preparation crops up. Mathilde's taken care of the system, trust in the system to take care of Mathilde.
Except this is feudalism. This is the way it works, everybody does it, it is not the most official but it is certainly normal. A lot of people already do this at all times at all levels, questioning it on principle is a dangerous game for any who dare try.
Heidi doesn't have a cloud of noblewomen following her everywhere whenever she's in public because she's that popular, she has it because every single one of them want favors from her.
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It's actually less official. We're skipping the normal chain of command to get the Emperor to directly sign a new law, rather than going through our representative to the government, who is also our bosses boss, to write that law with the Emperor.
In both the scenario we are looking into and the analogy, the emperor/president is not an expert in black magic/energy shields. Imperial Dispensation is essentially going over the heads of peers and qualified experts to ask an unqualified person to make the call.
[X] College Dispensation
I don't see how Alric is going to be a threat he is already on shaky ground and if he begins trying too do something funky about the waystone project i don't see why Dragomas wouldn't just put him in check. Whereas we have already strained our direct line to the emperor a lot so using it for this seems like overkill for me
I don't see how Alric is going to be a threat he is already on shaky ground and if he begins trying too do something funky about the waystone project i don't see why Dragomas wouldn't just put him in check. Whereas we have already strained our direct line to the emperor a lot so using it for this seems like overkill for me
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[x] Imperial Dispensation
It's not normal because there's actually a procedure for this that Johann and Feldman have actually used in quest previously that we benefited from.