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Alexander Sturnn said:
Can we just not? Please?

This is getting dangerously close to Revenge-Torture-Porn-Fantasies and, frankly, there are People/Deities in the Warhammer World who have done much worse then her for far less understandable reasons.
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well for the idoit-wild hunt godess, she is going into the black pit, but yeah lets not describe things for now on and move on. Otherwise Lileath just gets the mark and the next few millenia of wondering what the real punishment is (which is the anxiety of the punishment itself, she isnt Khaine.)

anyway anyone got any ideas for the fight? shame we dont have any real artillery besides the giants, would like some decent guns, motars, and maybe even some good ol fashion rifles for our skeletons. (cause frankly i want to see chaos get buried under tides of lead).

Anyway, when we unlock trench war-fare, as well as getting our fortresses up and running it would be grand times for us...of course figuring out how to make industrial application of stuff viable without fucking up the enviroment would be needed, but hex-magi-tech would best work for that.

Mass produced industrial stuff for the undead forces, while artisan/blacksmith work for our living forces would go well, quantity for undead, quality for the living/special undead.
 
I think after this war we may want to get some ranged undead
Alucard Vampiry said:
Ranged: 30,000 Archers; 20,000 Crossbowmen; 10,000 Handgunners
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Alucard Vampiry said:
- Ranged: 35,000 Quarrellers, 5,000 Irondrakes
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as I'm pretty sure these ranged men and dwarfs could kill ten times their number before they died more if they had high ground and with little to no risk as long as they have some infantry to protect them while they fire
 
[x] Full Frontal Assault: Attack the center of the horde directly with a frontal assault. This will ease the pressure upon your 'Allies', but will make you face the full might of the Chaos Horde.
 
[x] Full Frontal Assault: Attack the center of the horde directly with a frontal assault. This will ease the pressure upon your 'Allies', but will make you face the full might of the Chaos Horde

if they go with there full might on us our 'Allies' ranged units should reap a massive amount of kills from behind
 
[x] Full Frontal Assault: Attack the center of the horde directly with a frontal assault. This will ease the pressure upon your 'Allies', but will make you face the full might of the Chaos Horde
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Can we just not? Please?

This is getting dangerously close to Revenge-Torture-Porn-Fantasies and, frankly, there are People/Deities in the Warhammer World who have done much worse then her for far less understandable reasons.
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The big thing is, that even she knows what she did was fucked up and kept doing it.

That is so much worse then just being evil for evils sake, it was just convenient.

Imagine if google maps offered a new route that saved you 5min but you had to drive through an active playground (not on a road, through the grass and children) and someone decides "yeah this is a great idea"

It's basically what she did
 
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MightyMutt said:
The big thing is, that even she knows what she did was fucked up and kept doing it.

That is so much worse then just being evil for evils sake, it was just convenient.
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Yeah, but she also thought there was no other choice.

She was wrong about that, but still. And also, she only went off that deep end after experiencing countless time-loops of her and everyone she loves being mercilessly slaughtered by Chaos.

Not an excuse, to be sure, but still a better justification then the Four Tumors upon Reality and their Followers and ESPECIALLY Nagash. Who all also did way worse stuff then her.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Yeah, but she also thought there was no other choice.

She was wrong about that, but still. And also, she only went off that deep end after experiencing countless time-loops of her and everyone she loves being mercilessly slaughtered by Chaos.

Not an excuse, to be sure, but still a better justification then the Four Tumors upon Reality and their Followers and ESPECIALLY Nagash. Who all also did way worse stuff then her.
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She had an active example in both the empire and kislev that humans could push back chaos without her influence and was like nah, technology is for pussies and starving slave labour (peasants) must stay in their place, if they give you lip you have my blessings to slaughter them all but keep a few alive to spread the tale.

The elf expys in all warhammer works are so dependent on possible futures that they fuck up everything all the time

The general idea that near immortal and powerful assholes see their possible death and overreact in the worse way is like a running super frustrating gag

Especially because they have so much time to find another solution or just keep refining the one they have yet they don't, it's panicked thrashing to see if anything can work then relieved stagnation and total disinterest and pretending that could never happen to them.

Followed by shock that the terrible idea they implemented for centuries is biting them in the ass.

Any warhammer fan knows the frustration I'm talking about and it occurs so often that the reactions to it get rather extreme

Maybe it's that with great power comes a lack of common sense
 
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MightyMutt said:
She had an active example in both the empire and kislev that humans could push back chaos without her influence and was like nah, technology is for pussies and starving slave labour (peasants) must stay in their place, if they give you lip you have my blessings to slaughter them all but keep a few alive to spread the tale.

The elf expys in all warhammer works are so dependent on possible futures that they fuck up everything all the time

The general idea that near immortal and powerful assholes see their possible death and overreact in the worse way is like a running super frustrating gag
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Again: That's Peanuts compared to the real Bad Guys of this setting. Nagash did ten times worse then that every Tuesday.

And AGAIN: Her mind was not in a good place when making that decision. Not after all she went through.

And 'possible' Death? She lived through countless deaths again and again and again. Of course she would jump at anything that offered a speck of a chance to prevent it this time, no matter how hair-brained, unlikely and desperate it was.

Again, not excusing her actions. But she was not some mustache twirling monster going "MWAHAHAHAHA, LOOK HOW EEEEVIIIILLL I AM!!!" She was a broken, desperate woman grasping at straws because after experiencing countless loops ending in death, tragedy and despair, she had run out of Ideas.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Yeah, but she also thought there was no other choice.

She was wrong about that, but still. And also, she only went off that deep end after experiencing countless time-loops of her and everyone she loves being mercilessly slaughtered by Chaos.

Not an excuse, to be sure, but still a better justification then the Four Tumors upon Reality and their Followers and ESPECIALLY Nagash. Who all also did way worse stuff then her.
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Also pointing out people who are worse (things in this case) doesn't excuse or make what they did okay in any way, it always feel like battered wife syndrome to me

Yes he beat my face swolen but he bandaged me afterwards and i know he loves me, if he didn't care he would've just left me alone to recover.

Just because there are worse people out there doesnt make what fucking happened not bad

In fact its more of a PR tactic to normalize whats occuring instead of highlighting how fucked it is
 
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MightyMutt said:
Also pointing out people who are worse (things in this case) doesn't excuse or make what they did okay in any way, it always feel like battered wife syndrome to me

Yes he beat my face swolen but he bandaged me afterwards and i know he loves me, if he didn't care he would've just left me alone to recover.

Just because there are worse people out there doesnt make what fucking happened not bad
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If you had actually bothered to read my arguments, you would have noticed that I explicitly said none of this excuses her actions.

Just that it's kinda pointless to level Torture-Porn-Fantasies at her when we have much worse scum running around.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Again: That's Peanuts compared to the real Bad Guys of this setting. Nagash did ten times worse then that every Tuesday.

And AGAIN: Her mind was not in a good place when making that decision. Not after all she went through.

And 'possible' Death? She lived through countless deaths again and again and again. Of course she would jump at anything that offered a speck of a chance to prevent it this time, no matter how hair-brained, unlikely and desperate it was.

Again, not excusing her actions. But she was not some mustache twirling monster going "MWAHAHAHAHA, LOOK HOW EEEEVIIIILLL I AM!!!" She was a broken, desperate woman grasping at straws because after experiencing countless loops ending in death, tragedy and despair, she had run out of Ideas.
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I get that but objectively looking at it her solution was monstrous and once it worked she never put active effort into making it better she just sat there and patted herself on the back
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When she believes she's safe she just quit trying to do anything else.
 
MightyMutt said:
When she believes she's safe she just quit trying to do anything else.
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I mean, after all she went through, all the deaths and failures, and then having explicitly told to her that she fucked up yet again by her own family, that all she did to prevent them from being murdered and slaughtered was for nothing...
Just saying, I would probably have a breakdown and give up as well.
 
Alexander Sturnn said:
Just that it's kinda pointless to level Torture-Porn-Fantasies at her when we have much worse scum running around.
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When you provide a secondary target in this case 'worse scum' you are making an excuse

It takes the targeted criticism and spreading it amongst several targets thus lowering the perceived wrongdoing of the individual.

Politicians do shit like this all the time it's not his/her fault it's a broken system or party or opposition who's cheating more so ignore my wrongdoings

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Because there is worse out there this can be ignored til we fix those things first is the thought process people go through not realizing that solving similar smaller issues would allow you to fix the major problems easier wether it's experience doing so or allowing more time to be focused on the bigger things
 
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Alright everyone let's cool it, she made consistent bad choices we get it, but tzeentch was the one who insured the "Game" never deviated from the end times we knew of before now.

Chaos literally treated this place as a game zone and now it's coming to bite them in the ass as karmatic pile-up has happened in the form of hyper-competent Dracul becoming a damn god despite being a vampire. The best I can see it is because of all the timeline shenanigans complied dracul like Madoka from that one twisted magical girl show (with magical turns being lich's and turning into elderitch abominations/daemons when they fall into despair).

Now chaos continues to be self destructive in the long run, all that's left now is a proper justice abs renewal of the forces of order.
 
[X] Plan: Wrath of the Dragon v.1
also to be fair to lileath in 40k (I'm alot more familiar to it than warhammer fantasy) something like brettonia is one of the imperium's favored recruiting techniques like purposely stagnate humanity on feral worlds and keep them in a constant state of warfare. Hell in in lonkas's the high king acts it literally has "umgi (humans) are ablative armor" as one of the tags and they do use similar to how the elves use brettonia except way less horribly.Granted I think the min problem with lileath and most of the elves in genera is the problem that they aren't ued to making quick (by their standards) life or death positions. So probably putting her as sone part of our pantheon and having her bounce her ideas off of us would be fine by me.
 
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