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[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco

I trust that FCNY would not deliberately cause problems with the power of the purse. I do not trust that their (a) interests, (b) values, and/or (c) judgments will always align with those of this body as a whole (which makes Financier dubious on a systemic level) or of the CFC (which makes it a problem on a practical one).
 
[X]Plan Reconstruction
-[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
-[X][STRUCTURE] Web of Association: +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
-[X] Concession:
--[X] Cloture: +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
--[X] Multilingualism: +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
--[X] Southern Strategy: +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
--[X] Financier: +5 with FCNY.
--[X] Lifeline of the West: +3 with NCR.
--[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
--[X] Military Exchange: +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
--[X] United Post Office: +1 with all factions.
--[X] Mexican Autonomy: +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
 
Plan All Together Now

[ X] Steps On the Road:
[X ] Web of Association:
[X ] Multilingualism:
[X ] Southern Strategy:
[X ] Financier:
[X ] Lifeline of the West:
[X ] Truth and Reconciliation Commission:
[X ] Independence Referendum
[X ] Military Exchange:
[X ] Mexican Revivalist Special Status:
[ X] United Post Office
[ X] Mexican Autonomy:
 
[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.69 FCNY Finance
[X] Plan: Yeah that sounds good, what is political capital?

I don't like how the leading plan is leaving NCR at +1. That'll mean we'll have to use up diplomatic or other actions to assuage NCR more over time as NCR's acceptance of the charter/agreement is a rough majority that can turn against the agreement quickly vs if we had a +2 or +3 padding instead of a mere +1.

Keep in mind that future events will affect the numbers we are left with writ acceptance of the framework. So if a negative event affects NCR then that +1 acceptance can evaporate and our reactions to counter a negative event will not have certainty of success. Dice gods are fickle. So +1 means we have basically no cushion.
 
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[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.69 FCNY Finance
[X] Plan: Yeah that sounds good, what is political capital?

I don't like how the leading plan is leaving NCR at +1. That'll mean we'll have to use up diplomatic or other actions to assuage NCR more over time as NCR's acceptance of the charter/agreement is a rough majority that can turn against the agreement quickly vs if we had a +2 or +3 padding instead of a mere +1.

Keep in mind that future events will affect the numbers we are left with writ acceptance of the framework. So if a negative event affects NCR then that +1 acceptance can evaporate and our reactions to counter a negative event will not have certainty of success. Dice gods are fickle. So +1 means we have basically no cushion.
The way the options were priced made it necessary that we would have to balance off some things.
And a bunch of those decisions were made to make things easier on Cali going forward.

You attempt to boost NCR relations immediately, you're either shutting out minority voices in decisionmaking, reducing your relations with most other factions and storing up trouble. Or you're choosing to slow walk integration, giving rivals, enemies and entrenched interests time to figure out how to interfere, while making other options like Lifeline more difficult to achieve.

  • We need FCNY as a financial and diplomatic touchstone internationally.
  • We need the active support of all the Westerners to establish and maintain the Lifeline transport corridor to California and give both them and us backup trade and transport options.
  • We need the active support of southern Americans to open the Mississippi and secure its mouth.
  • We need the active support of the Canadians to secure our northern flank during the next war.
  • We needed to deny the northern Mexicans and Mexican Revivalists to Victoria and Russia so we dont have to worry about them being used to threaten us or the Californians.

We can attempt to address the NCR(and to a lesser extent the Mexican Revivalist) issues going forward if our American diplomatic resources arent split half a dozen different ways going forward trying to keep the rest of the community going in one direction.
If we werent doing this for NCR, we'd be doing it for someone else.
 
So since all leading plans include the southern strategy and the QM has given additional information, I'm going to position myself again on the topic.

Southern Strategy is still a bad idea. The strongest argument against it is has been the unnecessary antagonizing of a local hegemon, while the potential abuse towards rivals is also possible, though not necessarily likely.
Let's review the new information by the QM.
1)
Thus: there are entirely rational reasons for these polities to be wary of international influence in their region, given the uncomfortable likelihood of such influence sparking unhappy side effects for them. That does not, in any sense, preclude there also being xenophobia in there, but it is not only xenophobia. The Strategy aims to defuse this anxiety by allowing them to -- by majority vote of representatives from the region -- exclude from inclusion any states they deem unacceptably likely to drag that influence into the movement. It is possible that parties could act in poor faith to exclude their competitors, but they'd have to convince an awful lot of people from Yucatan to Georgia to sign on with that, and it would rapidly erode the legitimacy of the mechanism in the eyes of the other participants, likely getting it ripped out.
Summary: The southern and mexican states are anxious about foreign influence, which could lead to bad side things happening. There are rational reasons to be wary, but this clause is concerned with defusing anxiety, rather than introducing rational measures regarding foreign influence. It does not provide an effective defense against foreign influence, but is a token gesture.
2)
They all are concerned with a pattern of escalating international involvement in those sea zones. When one of the competitors is Russia, people tend to get nervous about what happens to the prize being competed over, should Russia perceive itself to be falling behind. Furthermore, Brazil's interest in impeding or influencing an American reunification is obvious, as is their imminent intention to do something about it, and parties' participation in this conference signals interest in the notion to Brazil just as much as it does to Russia.
The major worries are about Russia doing something terrible when they fall behind. Which is a fair point, Nick isn't the type to accept losing gracefully. But that is outside the scope of discussion about the southern strategy, since the real point of disagreement is about Brazilian influence.
Brazil has an interest in either impeding or influencing an american reunification. Yeah, that is obvious, any nation has an interest if a continent spanning power starts forming in their region. Having an interest in influencing us doesn't mean that interest is malicous. Making talks about respecting each others neutrality is a form of diplomatic influence. Investing into cultural exchange is a form of diplomatic influence. Petitioning the revivalist council to not disturb Brazilian trade along the Mississippi River is a form of diplomatic influence. Brazilian has their interests, we have ours, but that doesn't mean we can't come to an agreement.
3)
None of which makes it a particularly effective means of combating foreign influence in the region.

You may want to combat Brazil et. al.'s influence in the Caribbean and the Gulf. The body you form may want to as well. That will be something to be handled as a matter of active policy, down the line. The Southern Strategy is about appeasing some factions' anxiety about influence in the region. In terms of its effect on the actual problem, it impedes one specific kind of influence very minimally. It is not about providing a strong defense against foreign influence; it is about appeasing anxieties -- both warranted and unwarranted -- about same, by giving involved polities a finger on the pulse.
Southern strategy appeases anxieties and doesn't provide a strong defense. Not picking southern strategy will have no effect on our ability to oppose Brazilian influence later, should we so choose. And we already know the drawback, antagonizing Brazil, a local power with a strong economy. This is a bad and completely unnecessary idea.
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Since @uju32 quoted me while I was sleeping, I will be addressing the points here.
1) Regarding Brazil having diplomatic influence on the Mouth of the Mississipi:
It is important to set red lines that potential rivals are aware of. Clear messaging prevents any misunderstandings down the line.
You dont want people thinking somewhere is free real estate when it isnt, and investing resources based on faulty assumptions.
Business investment is always welcome, attempting to establish a puppet state is not.
Picking the southern strategy is a bad way to communicate red lines to Brazil. The new revivalist movement is organizing themselves just now and Southern Strategy tells local states: "Pick us or Brazil". This will not be received as a message about red lines by Brazil, it will be received as "The revivalists kind of hate us". The reasonable way to go about it is meet with Brazil and clearly state the red lines inside diplomatic talks, like normal states do. To use an analogy: If I don't want somebody to be in a specific party, I don't handle the problem by telling party members "If you talk to much to B, I will blacklist you from future parties", I would go about the problem by telling B "I would prefer if you didn't come to this party".
There is also zero evidence that Brazil has puppet states in the american south.
A South American consortium could have invested in the mouth of the Mississippi at any point in the last two decades and Victoria would not have been militarily capable of doing shit.
Noone did. So its entirely reasonable to be suspicious about intentions now.
The South Americans are not suddenly deciding to invest for the first time into the Mouth of the Mississippi. There is no text to support this interpretation. Previous investment would be an entirely reasonable assumption. What they are doing is organizing a new summit for investment, since Victoria has been beaten and the revivalists are picking up steam. In other words, they are organizing a conference because a lot of things have happened in the USA. If your suspicious about organizing conferences in reaction to major events, I can't describe this fear as reasonable.
I mean, the foundational documents of the Commonwealth go out of their way to be explicit about actively resisting Russian influence anywhere on the continent. Its a core pillar of our foreign policy.
Making it clear that extends to attempts by other powers to exploit is entirely consistent.
The southern strategy doesn't make it clear. It's not useful for communicating intentions as I outlined above, since it doesn't even address the actual foreign powers. The Russians have shown themselves to be actively malicious to the USA, Brazil hasn't. If you want to make your red lines clear to Brazil without misunderstandings, this option is terrible for that.
2)Regarding investment:
Not all investment is benign.
Accurate, but unrelated to the actual point.
Financial investment is fine. Political infiltration is not.
And its best to make it clear now, before they actually invest resources and it tskes on a life of its own
Do you want to sign off control of New Orleans for 99 years? Or fight a war there?
We have no evidence for political infiltration. We have no evidence for Brazil trying to make new Orleans into a colonial possession. Antagonizing somebody because we assume the worst scenario is bad idea, as I already outlined.
When both gringos and Latino locals over a thousand kilometres of border are worried about something, odds are that they are seeing something thats actually there.
The object of worries exists as the QM stated and it's a race between Russian and south american influence. As the QM also stated, the southern strategy aims at easing fears, it isn't an effective strategy to curtail foreign influence. It's also not an effective way to communicate limits as you think it is. Even if the thing I'm worried about is real, that doesn't mean that what eases my fear the most is the most rational behavior. Turning the lights is a highly effective way to reduce fear, but doesn't help much with actual threats.

In summary: We know to little to position ourselves against Brazil. Southern Strategy is a bad way to communicate and will antagonize a power we have yet to talk. It's not a good way to curtail foreign influence. At it's worst, it will lead to a rival block forming in the south, for no real Benefit. Please do not vote for plans that include it, this will come to bite us in the ass later. I will be making a plan that drops southern strategy, since all existing plans include it.
 
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Plan All Together Now
Dude, your plan does not show up as a plan
You need to actually put a [] with an X inside to vote for your plan.


Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 3, 2021 at 3:45 AM, finished with 45 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X]Plan Reconstruction
    -[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][STRUCTURE] Web of Association: +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X] Concession:
    --[X] Cloture: +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    --[X] Multilingualism: +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    --[X] Southern Strategy: +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    --[X] Financier: +5 with FCNY.
    --[X] Lifeline of the West: +3 with NCR.
    --[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    --[X] Military Exchange: +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    --[X] United Post Office: +1 with all factions.
    --[X] Mexican Autonomy: +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    [X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco
    -[X] Steps On the Road: The body will accept a slower track to membership featuring escalating levels of involvement, with things like mutual defense agreements coming earlier and common diplomatic policies coming later. The resulting state will take much more time to be viable. +1 with all American factions, Anglo-Canadians, and Northern Mexicans; +0 with French-Canadians and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][BODY STRUCTURE] Web of Association: While the decisions will be made by the above central council, non-state actors can seek association status and gain guaranteed audiences with said council and permanent representatives to deliver petitions for them. Adds a layer of complication, but this status is still up to the Council, so no states are going to be angry about it. +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Cloture: Nobody wants to enact the liberum veto, but you have several attending factions who are concerned with being swallowed up in the tide of voices. Filibustering and the legislative measures that enabled it are a dirty memory for Americans, but there are ways to guarantee that minority voices are heard and respected that avoid some of the pitfalls. Institutes a supermajority requirement to close debate and move to a vote, with that requirement declining with each attempt at doing so in a session until a simple majority is required. +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] United Post Office: While the body itself will need to thresh out the details, you could establish as a part of its charter that it will create a postal service operating in all member states (associated groups as practical). This is a significant project to commit the body to undertaking, and with your own commitments, you can't be sure that you'll be able to help in a significant capacity if it needs support, but it is valuable and broadly popular, and could realistically be done in the early stages of things. +1 with all factions.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Multilingualism: The body would doubtlessly vote to set its own language of business, and by simple majority, that language would doubtlessly be English, but you have an opportunity to reach out and accommodate the more...skittish...of your participants, here -- at the cost of a tripled administrative workload and the dire need for a large mass of translators. +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Mexican Autonomy: Agree to recognize the Mexican Revivalists' formal organization's current or future membership as beyond the body's scope, and grant them a non-voting representative with the right to address the voting council at any time, along with the right to petition for entrance to the body at a later date by simple majority. +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Southern Strategy: The Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico are becoming areas of increasing international interest in recent years, and the various people down there have virtually zero interest in any of that. Making a policy of not accepting the membership of any states found by the people in those regions to be inappropriately under foreign influence would be quite the draw to southern factions, but it would set a confrontational tone with Brazil and their bloc, given their newly-announced interest in the mouth of the Mississippi. +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Lifeline of the West: The NCR, despite presently being in the flush of victory, is also feeling uncomfortably exposed, at the moment. It wants the body to commit to a project of reopening an infrastructure link across the Rockies, so that aid can reach them overland. Fortunately, Burns has just cleared out the largest concentration of bandits along the I-70, so this simplifies the question tremendously. Still, this is a big project. Without the FCNY's assistance, finding the funding for this is probably going to be the body's first big hurdle to clear. +3 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: An idea lifted from pre-Collapse Canada intended to examine the impacts of their residential schools for First Nations children, you plan to adopt it on a far grander scale. Make, as part of this body's charter, a commission with the aim of documenting the history and lasting impacts of the Collapse in humanitarian terms, and then making recommendations to the body as to how it should inform their formal decisions -- such as whom to favor in terms of who is the legitimate controller of a given patch of land. Broadly popular, but the NCR is going to see this as a slight against them. +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Military Exchange: Various minor factions are interested in building up their militaries, now that Victoria (and California) are no longer factors opposing that. The CFC, having just crushed Victoria in two consecutive force-on-force contests, has significant cachet in military matters. Announce that members of this body will have the opportunity to send officer candidates to CFC military schools. This will give them the insights they desire and expand your own influence, although every spot in your academies is precious, at the moment, and if you're handing them out to others, you'll need to push harder for access to foreign academies than you were already going to have to. +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    [X] Plan: Party Up & Down the Coast to Coast v.1.2
    -[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: The body will attempt to, over time, directly integrate members into a single, federal state. The resulting state will be functional faster and more capably. +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][BODY STRUCTURE] Web of Association: While the decisions will be made by the above central council, non-state actors can seek association status and gain guaranteed audiences with said council and permanent representatives to deliver petitions for them. Adds a layer of complication, but this status is still up to the Council, so no states are going to be angry about it. +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Cloture: Nobody wants to enact the liberum veto, but you have several attending factions who are concerned with being swallowed up in the tide of voices. Filibustering and the legislative measures that enabled it are a dirty memory for Americans, but there are ways to guarantee that minority voices are heard and respected that avoid some of the pitfalls. Institutes a supermajority requirement to close debate and move to a vote, with that requirement declining with each attempt at doing so in a session until a simple majority is required. +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Southern Strategy: The Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico are becoming areas of increasing international interest in recent years, and the various people down there have virtually zero interest in any of that. Making a policy of not accepting the membership of any states found by the people in those regions to be inappropriately under foreign influence would be quite the draw to southern factions, but it would set a confrontational tone with Brazil and their bloc, given their newly-announced interest in the mouth of the Mississippi. +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Lifeline of the West: The NCR, despite presently being in the flush of victory, is also feeling uncomfortably exposed, at the moment. It wants the body to commit to a project of reopening an infrastructure link across the Rockies, so that aid can reach them overland. Fortunately, Burns has just cleared out the largest concentration of bandits along the I-70, so this simplifies the question tremendously. Still, this is a big project. Without the FCNY's assistance, finding the funding for this is probably going to be the body's first big hurdle to clear. +3 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Financier: This body is going to need a long of funding and the skills to manage it, and nobody on the continent is as wealthy as the Free City of New York. They are no longer the financial center of the world, but they know money, and have connections to get some. It'll mean handing quite a bit of power to them that cannot subsequently be taken back or controlled, but granting them the authority to handle the body's finances will invest them in it, freeing you up from having to manage them as closely as you're going to have to manage the other big players. +5 with FCNY.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: An idea lifted from pre-Collapse Canada intended to examine the impacts of their residential schools for First Nations children, you plan to adopt it on a far grander scale. Make, as part of this body's charter, a commission with the aim of documenting the history and lasting impacts of the Collapse in humanitarian terms, and then making recommendations to the body as to how it should inform their formal decisions -- such as whom to favor in terms of who is the legitimate controller of a given patch of land. Broadly popular, but the NCR is going to see this as a slight against them. +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Multilingualism: The body would doubtlessly vote to set its own language of business, and by simple majority, that language would doubtlessly be English, but you have an opportunity to reach out and accommodate the more...skittish...of your participants, here -- at the cost of a tripled administrative workload and the dire need for a large mass of translators. +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Military Exchange: Various minor factions are interested in building up their militaries, now that Victoria (and California) are no longer factors opposing that. The CFC, having just crushed Victoria in two consecutive force-on-force contests, has significant cachet in military matters. Announce that members of this body will have the opportunity to send officer candidates to CFC military schools. This will give them the insights they desire and expand your own influence, although every spot in your academies is precious, at the moment, and if you're handing them out to others, you'll need to push harder for access to foreign academies than you were already going to have to. +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] United Post Office: While the body itself will need to thresh out the details, you could establish as a part of its charter that it will create a postal service operating in all member states (associated groups as practical). This is a significant project to commit the body to undertaking, and with your own commitments, you can't be sure that you'll be able to help in a significant capacity if it needs support, but it is valuable and broadly popular, and could realistically be done in the early stages of things. +1 with all factions.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Mexican Autonomy: Agree to recognize the Mexican Revivalists' formal organization's current or future membership as beyond the body's scope, and grant them a non-voting representative with the right to address the voting council at any time, along with the right to petition for entrance to the body at a later date by simple majority. +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    [X] Plan: Yeah that sounds good, what is political capital?
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Cloture
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Southern Strategy
    -[X] Financier
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] United Post Office
    [X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.69 FCNY Finance
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Cloture
    -[X] United Post Office
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Mexican Autonomy
    -[X] Southern Strategy
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] Financier
 
[X]Plan Reconstruction
-[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
-[X][STRUCTURE] Web of Association: +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
-[X] Concession:
--[X] Cloture: +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
--[X] Multilingualism: +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
--[X] Southern Strategy: +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
--[X] Financier: +5 with FCNY.
--[X] Lifeline of the West: +3 with NCR.
--[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
--[X] Military Exchange: +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
--[X] United Post Office: +1 with all factions.
--[X] Mexican Autonomy: +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
 
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Since @uju32 quoted me while I was sleeping, I will be addressing the points here.
1) Regarding Brazil having diplomatic influence on the Mouth of the Mississipi
Kinda late here so I'll get around to most of this tomorrow.
However, this seems relevant:
The Southern Strategy is a concession to appease the minor southern American factions' general unease over foreign influence, which they have developed through decades of being the number one whipping child of Russia's catspaw on the East Coast. It is specifically about giving them in particular a hand brake against foreign influence intruding into the movement.

Also, in hindsight, I worded it too vaguely.

The Strategy gives states along the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico the ability to veto entrants from the strategic region most relevant to those coastlines whom they consider to be unduly under the influence of foreign interests. This was tailored to the minor southern American faction; it has proven unexpectedly popular with Mexican factions as well. They all are concerned with a pattern of escalating international involvement in those sea zones. When one of the competitors is Russia, people tend to get nervous about what happens to the prize being competed over, should Russia perceive itself to be falling behind. Furthermore, Brazil's interest in impeding or influencing an American reunification is obvious, as is their imminent intention to do something about it, and parties' participation in this conference signals interest in the notion to Brazil just as much as it does to Russia.

Thus: there are entirely rational reasons for these polities to be wary of international influence in their region, given the uncomfortable likelihood of such influence sparking unhappy side effects for them. That does not, in any sense, preclude there also being xenophobia in there, but it is not only xenophobia. The Strategy aims to defuse this anxiety by allowing them to -- by majority vote of representatives from the region -- exclude from inclusion any states they deem unacceptably likely to drag that influence into the movement. It is possible that parties could act in poor faith to exclude their competitors, but they'd have to convince an awful lot of people from Yucatan to Georgia to sign on with that, and it would rapidly erode the legitimacy of the mechanism in the eyes of the other participants, likely getting it ripped out.

None of which makes it a particularly effective means of combating foreign influence in the region.

You may want to combat Brazil et. al.'s influence in the Caribbean and the Gulf. The body you form may want to as well. That will be something to be handled as a matter of active policy, down the line. The Southern Strategy is about appeasing some factions' anxiety about influence in the region. In terms of its effect on the actual problem, it impedes one specific kind of influence very minimally. It is not about providing a strong defense against foreign influence; it is about appeasing anxieties -- both warranted and unwarranted -- about same, by giving involved polities a finger on the pulse.
Bed now.
 
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[X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake
Goal
-[X] Steps on the Road
Body Structure
-[X] Web of Association
Concessions
-[X] Cloture
-[X] Multilingualism
-[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
-[X] Lifeline of the West
-[X] Military Exchange
-[X] United Post Office
-[X] Mexican Autonomy

Resulting Relationships:
FCNY: 3 = 1 (Start)+ 1 (Steps on the Road) + 1 (Post Office)
NCR: 3 = -1 (Start) + 1 (Steps on the Road) -1 (Truth and Reconciliation) +1 (Post Office) + 3 (Lifeline of the West)
Anglo-Canadians: 7 = 0 (Start) +1 (Steps on the Road) +1 (Web of Association) + 1 (Cloture) + 1 (Truth and Reconciliation) + 1 (Post Office) +2 (Military Exchange)
French-Canadians : 5 = -2 (Start) + 1 (Web of Association) + 1 (Cloture) + 1 (Truth and Reconciliation) +1 (Multilingualism)+ 1 (Post Office) +2 (Military Exchange)
Northern Mexican Factions: 9 = 2 (Start) + 1 (Steps on the Road) + 1 (Web of Association) + 1 (Multilingualism) + 1 (Truth and Reconciliation) + 2 (Military Exchange) + 1 (Post Office)
Mexican Revivalists: 3 = -3 (Start) + 1 (Cloture) + 1 (Multilingualism) + 1 (Post Office) + 3 (Mexican Autonomy)
Western Minor Americans : 5 = 0 (Start) +1 (Steps on the Road) + 1 (Web of Association) + 2 (Military Exchange) +1 (Post Office)
Southern Minor Americans : 5 = 0 (Start) +1 (Steps on the Road) + 1 (Web of Association) + 2 (Military Exchange) +1 (Post Office)

As you can see, the minor factions are positively enthused over this proposal, while the larger factions are quite happy about participating. The good will bought in the future will pay it's dividends. Integration will be somewhat slower, but the minors will be extremely quick to join the Revivalist Councils.


Reasoning:
The goal "Steps on the Road" doesn't antagonize the Mexican Revivalists like "Direct Integration" does, plus it gives a little opinion boost for the FCNY and the NCR. Having multiple levels of membership would also help our future diplomacy rather nicely.
The body structure "Web of Association" helps include important non-state actors and thus gives us the ability to represent autonomous communities more accurately, which will be important going forward.
Cloture, Multilingualism and Truth and Reconciliation all make Canadians and Mexican fairly happy. Cloture incentives consensus building and is thus a rather beneficial concession.
Lifeline to the West has obvious advantages regarding trade, the Post Office is just a good idea and Military Exchanges give a good boost with the various minors.
Mexican Autonomy is necessary for getting the Mexican Revivalists to align with this Revivalist body. Quite frankly, they seem to want some space to figure their position regarding the new direction and this gives it to them.
Notably absent:
Financier, Independence Referendum, Southern Strategy
Financier hands a lot of economic power to New York which we can't take back later. Once the rest of the country recovers economically, this will harm them. There is no reason to sign power over the New York, since they happy anyway.
Independence Referendum is unnecessary given the high opinion of French Canadians. Since tensions will be non-existent, giving them the special right to secede would be inadvisable.
Southern Strategy is both unnecessary and antagonizes Brazil for no real reason. It only soothes southern anxieties, rather than providing an effective defense against foreign influence, as the QM confirmed.
None of which makes it a particularly effective means of combating foreign influence in the region.

You may want to combat Brazil et. al.'s influence in the Caribbean and the Gulf. The body you form may want to as well. That will be something to be handled as a matter of active policy, down the line. The Southern Strategy is about appeasing some factions' anxiety about influence in the region. In terms of its effect on the actual problem, it impedes one specific kind of influence very minimally. It is not about providing a strong defense against foreign influence; it is about appeasing anxieties -- both warranted and unwarranted -- about same, by giving involved polities a finger on the pulse.
The actual effectiveness is non-existent, the detrimental effect (Brazil becoming hostile) very much exists. I can't stretch enough how much of a bad idea the Southern Strategy. If you want to oppose Brazil, do it after we actually have information about their activities beyond vague anxieties. The lack of southern strategy is the reason for this plan existing. A vote for this plan is a vote for non-hostile relations with South America.
 
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[X] Plan Random v2
-[X] Steps On the Road
-[X] Web of Association
-[X] Multilingualism
-[X] Lifeline of the West
-[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
-[X] Military Exchange
-[X] United Post Office
-[X] Mexican Autonomy
-[X] Cloture

(I think the final scores below are correct?)

The FCNY = 3
The NCR = 3
Anglo-Canadian Factions = 7
French-Canadian Factions = 5
Northern Mexican Factions = 9
Mexican Revivalists =3
Western Minor American Factions = 6
Southern Minor American Factions = 6


Still don't really like Southern Strategy. It's not really effective in keeping out foreign influence and locks us out of options in exchange for a relationship boost that.... frankly isn't really necessary. Appeasing the South's anxieties can be done by actually dealing with Brazil in an effective way once we come to that point.

EDIT: Wait, is my plan the same as someone else's?
 
Still don't really like Southern Strategy. It's not really effective in keeping out foreign influence and locks us out of options in exchange for a relationship boost that.... frankly isn't really necessary. Appeasing the South's anxieties can be done by actually dealing with Brazil in an effective way once we come to that point.

EDIT: Wait, is my plan the same as someone else's?
I think your plan is identical to the my plan "Don't Step on The Smoking Snake" I posted just above your post.
 
Alright then.

[X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake

And an approval vote:
[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco

Since I like Financier even less than Southern Strategy.
 
[X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake

This is the least concession-heavy plan available and I am mighty wary of all these concessions we're throwing out like candy.
 
[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco
[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.69 FCNY Finance
 
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