Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree
(motherfucking CAI SHENHUA, the radiant unyielding truth, that's who)
Who am I to disagree
(motherfucking CAI SHENHUA, the radiant unyielding truth, that's who)
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- UK
Your daily reminder that the Hui were the worst lmao.
Couple of maybe typos:
leaves rustling
it's immense and bloated body titanic beyond all reason, its eight glittering
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- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
You know, if the Hui White went to embody Dream, I can understand why a lot of the old Weilu ways fell out of favor after Cai Shenhua took over. Like, the architect of their suffering and strife was someone so obsessed with dreaming ways, that would have a distorting effect.
This here shows that the Hui, while hated, weren't weak or dumb or arrogant. Other rebellions have been borken by the Hui this way. Allies turning on one another out of fear of betrayal.
Then Shenhua shows up, and such tactics stop working
Damn that Hui patriarch is actually pretty scary. He managed to get the Hui finally to work together with just a word. And hiding in the incredibly powerful fortress while getting your enemies to turn on each other is actually a decent strategy... If it weren't for Shenhua.
Though if he believes that what he says becomes truth he's not gonna just melt like the other Hui liars when confronted by Shenhua's truth.
Though if he believes that what he says becomes truth he's not gonna just melt like the other Hui liars when confronted by Shenhua's truth.
The Hui thankfully didn't have any whites at the time. The patriarch is just the most powerful Hui prism.
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You come at the king, you best not miss.
the Dream and the Nightmare. They were feared as well, until Shenhua showed up and broke their illusions
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- United States of America
Really, even with armies pounding on their door the Hui are all bickering amongst themselves thinking that one of their plots has escaped the webs of their compatriots.
Talk about being in their own world.
Talk about being in their own world.
I'm just going to assume this is a Kill 6 Billion Demons reference.
Also, chuckling at the implication Diao Liquin used herself as a stage for Shenhua to stand on while she went Maximum Ragyo.
Edit: Diao's Way is Yandere Encircling Roses. She's a LITERAL BLUMENKRANZ. Yrs, you mad genius, I'm on to you…
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globalwarmth
ruining the weather.
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- Polar ice caps
Dunno, I think the pre schism Bai were up there. The only difference being they survived their wake up call and were given a chance to adapt and reform.
- Location
- US
[X] Lao Keung, who seemed more down to earth.
I don't think so. The Bai seem to have been pretty damn harsh overall, but the Hui went out of their way to be cruel and fuck over all their subjects.
If the Bai were that bad Sun Shao wouldn't have managed to get anywhere -probably gotten killed for even asking the Bai to do something about the raids from the Jungle even- because the Bai are still active while the Hui retreated so much into themselves that, as Shenhua rallied the entire province and marched to Xiangmen, they were still pointing fingers at each other instead of doing anything until the Patriarch acted.
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- the internet
Just wait till the next Xiangmen update, you'll see her counter there.
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- The Space Between
[X] Xia Anxi, since they had some shared interests.
I think having a bit of an in with both will be good, but there are three subordinates that Meizhen would like to have better communication with. FeFe, Lao Keung, and Xia Anxi.
FeFe is the most traditionalist, and also the most able to be influenced directly by Meizhen. We'll do our best to help, but she isn't our priority and we already have some ground work lain. She's great, 10/10, I like her in this lil chapter. She's all tense, and coiled, and looking around, and the gathering is just friends able to relax in the presence of friends. We're antithetical to orthodoxy, yet at the same time everything we continue to learn seems to inform us that we're following an "orthodoxy" of Spirit Seekers from before the "orthodoxy" of the post-Xi purges. Which, sort of places us at an orthogonal to orthodoxy? A separate path of different, but roughly equivalent value. Very strange to the dominance-obsessed mindset of the Empire as a generalized collective.
Lao Keung is the most unorthodox, showing resentment strong enough for us to detect during our first interaction. Most Bai wouldn't care about this, but I suspect Bai Suzhen would care from a pragmatic standpoint. Sun Shao and his forces repeatedly exploited the faultlines in trust between White Caste and their subordinate troops during his First Campaign against Bai, and as a practical point it wouldn't be acceptable to leave such faults of Pride/Arrogance/Duty to be exploited. I believe he'll be the easiest to bring on board with the idea that Meizhen is a kind Bai. Someone that is, intentionally or not, following in the footsteps of her mother who Bai Suzhen valued highly. I suspect that while Lao Keung can respect Bai Suzhen, he may actually like Bai Meizhen because Meizhen is able to actually care beyond a perfunctory duty to prevent unrest/dissent/weakness.
Xia Anxi is a bit of an unknown, but I suspect they were chosen not because they're unorthodox but because they've been rejected by orthodoxy for foolish reasons. Someone that is perfectly able to embody the orthodox teachings of their caste (as XiaoBai Fen and Lao Keung seem to be) yet is rejected by the most calcified traditionalists for Arrogant, Prideful, Entitled Bullshit reasons. So far we've seen no reason to believe them to not be of the traditional Bai culture, yet something caught Suzhen's attention enough to sponsor them as a solid enough Violet Caste to send south as part of Meizhen's potential court. While I think Lao Keung probably only needs to get in the door, and FeFe will likely be converted by Meizhen over time no matter what (due to the fervor with which FeFe adheres to modern Black Viper Caste culture), Xia Anxi is probably the one we'll need to coax into comfort the most. Especially if they've had issues with superiors turning on them for bullshit, garbage reasons.
It'll be nice to get a better grasp of Xia Anxi's character, and having a baseline with all three helps us react to opportunities more fluidly c:
I think having a bit of an in with both will be good, but there are three subordinates that Meizhen would like to have better communication with. FeFe, Lao Keung, and Xia Anxi.
FeFe is the most traditionalist, and also the most able to be influenced directly by Meizhen. We'll do our best to help, but she isn't our priority and we already have some ground work lain. She's great, 10/10, I like her in this lil chapter. She's all tense, and coiled, and looking around, and the gathering is just friends able to relax in the presence of friends. We're antithetical to orthodoxy, yet at the same time everything we continue to learn seems to inform us that we're following an "orthodoxy" of Spirit Seekers from before the "orthodoxy" of the post-Xi purges. Which, sort of places us at an orthogonal to orthodoxy? A separate path of different, but roughly equivalent value. Very strange to the dominance-obsessed mindset of the Empire as a generalized collective.
Lao Keung is the most unorthodox, showing resentment strong enough for us to detect during our first interaction. Most Bai wouldn't care about this, but I suspect Bai Suzhen would care from a pragmatic standpoint. Sun Shao and his forces repeatedly exploited the faultlines in trust between White Caste and their subordinate troops during his First Campaign against Bai, and as a practical point it wouldn't be acceptable to leave such faults of Pride/Arrogance/Duty to be exploited. I believe he'll be the easiest to bring on board with the idea that Meizhen is a kind Bai. Someone that is, intentionally or not, following in the footsteps of her mother who Bai Suzhen valued highly. I suspect that while Lao Keung can respect Bai Suzhen, he may actually like Bai Meizhen because Meizhen is able to actually care beyond a perfunctory duty to prevent unrest/dissent/weakness.
Xia Anxi is a bit of an unknown, but I suspect they were chosen not because they're unorthodox but because they've been rejected by orthodoxy for foolish reasons. Someone that is perfectly able to embody the orthodox teachings of their caste (as XiaoBai Fen and Lao Keung seem to be) yet is rejected by the most calcified traditionalists for Arrogant, Prideful, Entitled Bullshit reasons. So far we've seen no reason to believe them to not be of the traditional Bai culture, yet something caught Suzhen's attention enough to sponsor them as a solid enough Violet Caste to send south as part of Meizhen's potential court. While I think Lao Keung probably only needs to get in the door, and FeFe will likely be converted by Meizhen over time no matter what (due to the fervor with which FeFe adheres to modern Black Viper Caste culture), Xia Anxi is probably the one we'll need to coax into comfort the most. Especially if they've had issues with superiors turning on them for bullshit, garbage reasons.
It'll be nice to get a better grasp of Xia Anxi's character, and having a baseline with all three helps us react to opportunities more fluidly c:
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That very much depends on the shape of both the Hui's Truth and Shenhua's Truth. It's entirely possible that it's a Sword of Shannara situation, where objective reality trumps personal truth (which is all I can say without spoiling the book).
The Hui's problem wasn't really that they were cruel, it was that they didn't actually protect their subjects. Had they been every bit as much the assholes but had immediately sent an entire Prism strike team to assassinate Ogodei as soon as they found an opportunity then they would have been in a much better position.
Pretty much they didn't follow up on their ducal duty and snapped up all the open land. If you're not doing your duty you should not reap the rewards. They were so insular and cut off and so self focused they ignored the wider world, and to no one's surprise they got bit for it.
CedeTheBees
Probably high right now
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- Somewhere
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- They/Them
Not just that, they were so absorbed into their illusory perfect world, that their first reflex when reality intrudes is to dismiss and discredit it.
Think about it, if Shenhua had just spent the last decade rallying a rebellion army...they didn't deign to act until she was knocking on their door.
They had several and presumably every Hui had their own if not even moreso.
This has the patriarch collapse all their imaginary worlds into his own, finally unifying the Hui when an army is on their doorstep.
- Location
- France
You've got to hype up the villains before the heroes smash them, otherwise the win is boring and there's no story
