- Location
- Australia
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
In terms of make point usage, the best mechanical idea I've seen so far is to use them for getting to multipliers. No limit on number, but only one multiplier tier. Especially as we get up in art levels the difficulty in raising anything will rise significantly, so the points would actually become quite valuable. Currently, they would be of limited use yes, but that's just because we only have easy projects. We know that the projects will scale very quickly so that isn't a worry for me.
Toss a hat into the ring: a potential idea for spending points on story rewards (I think story related ideas are less likely to break the system) is to be able to unlock certain objectives earlier, or make them more approachable. We got a bunch of options in Dreaming just now, and while all are interesting, the only super rewarding one is super dangerous (Long Knives nightmare). Maybe, for great cost and limited to a few points per person, so that a decent portion of the community would have to come together and spend, we could unlock a special area or quest line earlier or easier than we would otherwise. Yes, this would need to be fine tuned and maybe be limited to only use within the Dream, but hopefully needing the community to agree would stop any single person pushing the quest in a direction, but also offer a high reward for engagement.
Personally I've been writing a little bit just for practice in setting and if I knew there was a reward it would be a great incentive for pushing to actually complete and post my writing.
tldr: I think there does need to be a very real benefit to omake points, but I think it might be easier to this in a storyline method rather than a mechanical fashion. Bonus: if story wise, we can also portray the questers looking over Ling Qi's shoulder as the Moon nudging things as the in universe explanation.
Toss a hat into the ring: a potential idea for spending points on story rewards (I think story related ideas are less likely to break the system) is to be able to unlock certain objectives earlier, or make them more approachable. We got a bunch of options in Dreaming just now, and while all are interesting, the only super rewarding one is super dangerous (Long Knives nightmare). Maybe, for great cost and limited to a few points per person, so that a decent portion of the community would have to come together and spend, we could unlock a special area or quest line earlier or easier than we would otherwise. Yes, this would need to be fine tuned and maybe be limited to only use within the Dream, but hopefully needing the community to agree would stop any single person pushing the quest in a direction, but also offer a high reward for engagement.
Personally I've been writing a little bit just for practice in setting and if I knew there was a reward it would be a great incentive for pushing to actually complete and post my writing.
tldr: I think there does need to be a very real benefit to omake points, but I think it might be easier to this in a storyline method rather than a mechanical fashion. Bonus: if story wise, we can also portray the questers looking over Ling Qi's shoulder as the Moon nudging things as the in universe explanation.
Hm. So old enough dreams eventually die to become the foundation, and that makes me wonder if things like the Bloody Dream being changed by the Dreamer are meant to avoid such an end result.
Actually this makes me wonder what exactly being Deep in the Dream means? Because if depth corresponds to a time axis I'm curious what nightmare Xuan Shi's companion came from to be that deep.
Hm. Perhaps it is an imposition on her mind via her insights being triggered due to previous iC decisions regarding her bloodline connection the Weilu.
Alternatively given his apparent GM leaning he might've been the original composer for FVM who offered it to the GM, and well that would give him a connection if he was entirely unrelated to the Mason War.
Although it might be as simple as the bleak loneliness of the skeleton who is a prisoner appealing to Ling Qi like how her music appeals to Bao Qian.
The last part basically the definition of a stereotypical young lady Ling Qi.
Also the attire is rather important given we know the south Emerald Seas is a deeply religious place.
Hanyi would likely be fine, but Zhengui is liable to inherently dislike the place due to his desire to rule over a place as the spiritual king, and that seems rather hard in the Dream, or at least something he won't due until the higher realms.
Well that is one way for Hanyi to keep up, and almost certainly contribute to the bigger picture as an actually helpful tour that wards the local region against a harsh winter would persuading the nobility that significantly contributing to a trade route is in their benefit easier due to the Ling clan already helping them once.
Huh I wonder how that would play into the project that involves stealing from a storage ring.
Probably due to Bao Qian liking there to be people to appreciate his work, and his family was rarely around to do so.
Also this makes his statement to Ling Qi about it being beneath her to fish for praise absolutely hilarious given part of the reason he lives his life in the margins is for a similar reason.
So what I'm getting from this is that if the the tour helps with winter the Viscounty will be rather eager to get a repeat one the following year.
With living formations so incredibly old it makes sense why spirits are important as they can
I get the feeling somebody is trying to add "yearly winter warding" to what the temple does by making use of it being the second largest temple, and an eager Viscounty trying to show they deserve their land, which is a mutually beneficial relationship.
"
So part "Brace yourselves Winter is Coming", and part them being the second largest temple.
Hm. The thing is if Hanyi's tour has any impact at all she will get a second one, and thus while they won't like being approached second they'll be more positively inclined to the Ling clan than the hill nobles who we have no obvious way to build bridges with as easy.
Also Zhengui's ash should help build bridges with those directly along the trade route given their agriculture leanings.
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
Fundamentally I'd expect both Part 1 quest lines to be required for an actual trade route to be set up, and consistent benefit to be gained from it.
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
we are situated in mountains, and in a region that is likely to be rich in metals. Trade might be better long term, but it is only locked for a short time.
we are situated in mountains, and in a region that is likely to be rich in metals. Trade might be better long term, but it is only locked for a short time.
CedeTheBees
Probably high right now
- Location
- Somewhere
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
Logically speaking, I think concentrating on the opportunity of trades first makes sense before focusing on the crafts.
Logically speaking, I think concentrating on the opportunity of trades first makes sense before focusing on the crafts.
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
better get it down first, so the craftmans can get their stuff easier. Also, a trade route would give us a safer passage to the rest of the region/empire, what with there being guards to patrol and escort caravans on it.
better get it down first, so the craftmans can get their stuff easier. Also, a trade route would give us a safer passage to the rest of the region/empire, what with there being guards to patrol and escort caravans on it.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
- Pronouns
- He
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
Ok, so let's look at how the empire does economy.
Well, without WoG we cant be completly sure how exactly the economy in the empire looks like, but i cant imagine it being a free market.
Afterall, transportation always requires cultivator protection and that means noble backing. It is why we would need to talk to the nobles for transport and the nobles for crafting. This means that trade is heavily subject to politics and personal relations between nobles.
Another restriction besides politics is likely the availability of information. If we dont go to them to advertise our special metal (iirc the cold iron for example was a cultivator ressource), then how will they know about it? And why would they care? We cant really plug advertisment via media, so we basically have to go to potential customers and shill our products to them directly.
Given that the likely main ressource we would get from trade with the white skies will be different sorts of (cultivator) metals, it really does seem to me that it would be a major advantage to learn what our (local) crafters would want and to make friends with some of them, so they would consider buying our stuff.
Of course, we also need to try to get friendly with the guys that own the road, so they won't screw us on tariffs, but all talks about trade would be pointless if nobody wants to buy our stuff.
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
Well, without WoG we cant be completly sure how exactly the economy in the empire looks like, but i cant imagine it being a free market.
Afterall, transportation always requires cultivator protection and that means noble backing. It is why we would need to talk to the nobles for transport and the nobles for crafting. This means that trade is heavily subject to politics and personal relations between nobles.
Another restriction besides politics is likely the availability of information. If we dont go to them to advertise our special metal (iirc the cold iron for example was a cultivator ressource), then how will they know about it? And why would they care? We cant really plug advertisment via media, so we basically have to go to potential customers and shill our products to them directly.
Given that the likely main ressource we would get from trade with the white skies will be different sorts of (cultivator) metals, it really does seem to me that it would be a major advantage to learn what our (local) crafters would want and to make friends with some of them, so they would consider buying our stuff.
Of course, we also need to try to get friendly with the guys that own the road, so they won't screw us on tariffs, but all talks about trade would be pointless if nobody wants to buy our stuff.
[X] Speak with the craftsman and hill nobles (Begin Political Quest, Craftsmen's Eye. Other route locked until Part 1 completion.)
Last edited:
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
- Location
- Spain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
- Location
- E
Road option positives:
- We'll be better connected with the southern nobles via trade routes. Means we can sell more unprocessed goods for cheap as transportation costs will be reduced. Probably have more buyers overall.
- They'll have expertise in terms of logistics, supply wagons, protecting trade, relevant legal matters, etc.
- Easier access to the supply goods we'll want to sell to White Sky (wood and agriculture products).
- Black Lotus Pass - potential story/cultivation thingy?
- They'll be able to hook us up with manufacturers of finished goods. Overall, better ties with the whole industry?
- We'll be in a better position to establish our own craftsman. Selling finished goods is more valuable than selling raw materials.
- Better appraisal of the goods we'll be purchasing. They'll know what is immediately useful, what is a long term investment that'll require a lot of processing, etc.
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
- Location
- France
[X] Speak with the nobles whose lands lie on the trade road. (Begin Political Quest, old Road/New Road Part 1. Other route locked until Part 1 completion)
For a large scale trade network, yes, but LQ is likely to have a few yellows and reds under her, and that is enough to protect a few shipments. You won't see a green with every transport
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
How about instead of boosting the protag,which as you said tend to fuck up with the whole system and/or story, why not limit it to boosting secondary characters? Anything from helping Meizhen in a breakthrough, speeding up Qingge's cultivation, making Sun Linling trip at the worse moment, or even boosting one of the many
Upgrading people around is fun too. But what if they replaced sites? I don't think sites add too much to the story. They are just sort of rewards for exploring, but our projects can already force us to explore the world. Instead we could use a bunch of points to get multipliers for cultivation. Make it expensive enough and increase enough for various steps that they can't blow things away more than sites already did.