The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
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I updated my plan to include this, the vaccine is now tied to Prototype Gauss Rifle Research.
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ThatGuyWithIdeas
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Chaos Blade
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No we don't have it. That tech for the missiles isn't unlocked. And the terracide only can happen on Helghan because of the Petrusite in the atmosphere. Even if we did have the missiles we would never use them because they are the greatest war crime in existence.
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Not against Warships?
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Irradiated Petrusite is already a horrific weapon. Small grenades aren't too bad as things go because you can't cause too much damage with them. A missile large enough to harm a WarShip is at the very least going to be the size of the missiles intended for use by the Khage during Stahl's aborted attack on Earth. Each of those, I think 32, missiles was intended to wipe out a major city which by that point would probably each be larger than most modern cities.
Given our existing smuggler problem if one of those was stolen and accidentally or deliberately dropped on a city not only would we be blamed as the only people to actually be able to make such weapons but we'd probably be attacked by our allies for making weapons that make the Ares Conventions look like a joke. Such weapons are a warcrime waiting to happen, sure it'll sweep a capital ship clean of its crew and leave the ship itself mostly intact but it's also meant to kill cities and if it goes off inside the hull of the ship you're launching it from it'll kill that ship as well.
BananosMoon
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Well, I think it has much more potential to wipe out a city.
But we're still researching Irradiated Petrusite. I wonder how do irradiated reactors compare to the normal ones.
So only to be used if things get truly desperate, got it.
Edit: What I mean by desperate, is when Helghan itself is threatened by an overwhelming fleet of enemy warships. In which the production of IP missiles is to be started and used if they don't back off.
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Yes because those missiles are only for bombing planets. They are not designed for ship to ship combat.
And again they do not exist because the damn technology isn't available anymore. And irritated Petrusite is secured there isn't more than a handful of samples outside our direct control for research purposes.
So @Driven by Apathy there are two ideas to fill your order, built off of the same frame.
The conventional ASF with 2PPC,2LL,AC10, and assorted lasers. Maximum damage: 76 (maybe 82 with forward facing SLs)
And the Fun but possibly not the most effective option of taking three Burst-SRMs, two PPCs, and 4MLs. Maximum (expected, because missiles) damage: 100. Technically the potential goes up to 160 but even on a hit you are likely to miss half your missiles so...
Even so, the latter has the ability to do Well with it's missile bank just as much as it can do Bad. Making it a volatile combatant that can drop a hammer on something given the chance and so enemies must respect the threat of them getting just a little lucky.
The conventional ASF with 2PPC,2LL,AC10, and assorted lasers. Maximum damage: 76 (maybe 82 with forward facing SLs)
And the Fun but possibly not the most effective option of taking three Burst-SRMs, two PPCs, and 4MLs. Maximum (expected, because missiles) damage: 100. Technically the potential goes up to 160 but even on a hit you are likely to miss half your missiles so...
Even so, the latter has the ability to do Well with it's missile bank just as much as it can do Bad. Making it a volatile combatant that can drop a hammer on something given the chance and so enemies must respect the threat of them getting just a little lucky.
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All of you voting for consolidation you are making a mistake. Because the
auction is the worst way to sell them. We already talked to them and they said they wanted to buy now forcing them to compete literally means the Taurians will outbid everyone or the others will raise the cost to ruinous amounts and just pissed each other off and make them angry at us. This action is going to do more damage to relations and undermine the entire point of the ORDI.
auction is the worst way to sell them. We already talked to them and they said they wanted to buy now forcing them to compete literally means the Taurians will outbid everyone or the others will raise the cost to ruinous amounts and just pissed each other off and make them angry at us. This action is going to do more damage to relations and undermine the entire point of the ORDI.
BananosMoon
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Wait do the Taurians really have that much buying power over the rest of ORDI?
Going to change my vote.
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Yes. They are the largest most industrial nation of them all. The Aurigan Coalition needs to focus most of their money on rebuilding and expansion of their industrial base and they are much smaller with poorer worlds. The MoC has a cottage industry with only their medical services being a major source of money. They are also just recently started to repair the industry of their space.
Not to mention auctions for FTl lacking ships is a waste. They are important because they are FTL capable. The Conference plan makes it so we can sell the ships with the FTL there without using too many AP. It also allows us to make deals so it doesn't ruin the nations buying them.
[X] Plan Methodical
My heart weeps for the MAWLR which still desperately needs a redesign, but honestly this does seem like our best bet.
My heart weeps for the MAWLR which still desperately needs a redesign, but honestly this does seem like our best bet.
I mean. It "is" an option in the action list so it's not quite an insult, but yeah, somewhat close.
...But Conference Call is pretty implicitly "plan status quo", which... I dunno, doesn't grab my support.
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think of it like this, where giving something that with the drives could lighten up their jumpdrives to do other things, can carry more cargo then any jumpship or dropship, and are the perfect troop and supply transports. Without the drives, they cant even leave the system since they don't have docking collars and amount to a giant paper weights. It is a massive blow to relations, more so given their giving us help with a vaccine for pretty much free and in return this plan pretty much means where giving them near useless ships that cant even move beyond their system without our help. Thats why its bad idea to do just given them driveless ships. Their USELESS without there drives to our allies.
I mean, its meant to be conservatives given that poking the Mandate is just as likely make it go on the offense like some rabid creature, given its run by a Liao thats backed into the corner. And the Conference is a way to get a bunch of things done with limited action use.
The thing that concerns me about Plan Methodical is that people think that they can just effectively buy New Oslo, which is absurd. For one New Oslo is no where near united enough to sell territory in any real way, its useful land is in do much demand for them to be willing to sell, and the inhospitable land holds losttech which is the only thing of value they can trade with outsiders. To me those actions are basically dead on arrival.
If they attack us then it is not a problem. We smash their depleted forces and call it a day.
What is the goal behind the economic warfare against Caliban? Getting to the point we make an intervention?
And I suppose the New Oslo action is to form a coalition to work with rather than only befriend one faction.
Eh.
[X] Plan Conference Call against the World.
bleeding the Pact dry basically, dealing with the Khan is easier as she is one person and will, unless she really thought ahead of time, eventually die without anyone to succeed her. As for Oslo the Coalition is a better option for us than Morrigan, because putting Morrigan in power turns Oslo into a Powder Keg waiting to happen more than anything else.
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[X] Plan Conference Call against the World
Driven by Apathy
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I'm (mostly) not convinced.
To start with, ORDI doesn't mean "The Helghan Republic will give you stuff for (almost) free, forever". It's legitimate that we consider our own interests as well, and we're already giving the ORDI nations exclusivity due to being our allies. Auctioning the ships will simply mean they pay what they think the ships are worth, nothing more, nothing less.
Secondly, I don't believe that auctioning them off will mean the Taurians buy all of them. I think what will happen is that the Taurians buy most of them, and the Coalition and Magistracy focus their bids on a smaller number of ships outbidding the Taurians for those particular ships. Which seems entirely reasonable.
That being said, I see the point in ensuring each of our allies can afford at least one. So how about this (assuming the GM allows doing it with one action point):
- Sell one ship to each of our allies at a reasonable price. Auction off the rest at a private auction among the ORDI nations. Scrap the remainder, if any.
Hmm... you're right that being driveless will make them much less valuable. That being said, our unique FTL system is a trump card I'm loathe to share.
I also vehemently disagree that not always giving our allies freebies is "a massive blow to relations". Alliance goes both ways. And the assistance with the vaccine, while a nice and appreciated gesture, doesn't really compare the kind of preferential treatment you seem to want. It's not like we couldn't easily develop the vaccine ourselves.
Still, it's worth discussing. What are the points in favor of selling them with their drives, in your view? And why do you think we shouldn't try to maintain exclusivity when it comes to the FTL drive?
If the GM allows it, I'm willing to make a mini-poll asking all voters of Plan Methodical if the plan should be adjusted regarding this matter.
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Means that nipping over to us is less desirable for when people want a look under the hood, for one. And gives our allies the ability to use Warp for any shenanigans they want to get up to to strengthen their realms.
Driveless units probably are more for shoveling around a specific system, but even that can be quite valuable when you don't have much production of new spacelift.