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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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I think there may be some reference to Dhar being produced when magic stops flowing and pools, becoming stagnant. Maybe stirring it up again would cause it to break up into the eight winds again.

That works before it forms dhar, but after dhar is formed it acts like a uniform mass, straining out the components is not that simple. That is to say in canon no one ever figured out how.
 
So Kislev is actually effective, and not just a speedbump to Chaos? How odd. Guess the Ice Witches are actually useful and not just a bunch of woobies.
 
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Just wanted to throw in, with regards to the Hearth Guard, I think soul is trying to hint that we could/should maybe have them Dreng Them vs the Beastmen(can we target that way?). Y'know since they're waxing and massing to attack Holds etc etc.
I don't think a few dozen dwarfs can have any kind of a meaningful impact on the beastmen. I think our best bet is to contribute toward any campaigns the kings of the north organise and/or march to relieve any holds that end up getting seiged.
 
I don't think a few dozen dwarfs can have any kind of a meaningful impact on the beastmen. I think our best bet is to contribute toward any campaigns the kings of the north organise and/or march to relieve any holds that end up getting seiged.
Snorri himself probably can, since at Dum we saw that with his new equipment he's basically a force of nature on the battlefield. But he's only one dwarf, and not even close to a match to Grimnir's one-dwarf-army.

But Snorri's real power is the ability to equip an entire throng with runic weapons and armor in a ridiculously short time. He's one hell of a force multiplier.
 
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Well, I had one question, entirely due to the very differing performances vs the Suneater and vs the Proto-Chaos Dwarfs that Snorri displayed.

If we put a Otrek during the Incursion as 10, and Grimnir at 100, where would the current Snorri fit in? Clad in Barak Azmar and holding 'Flame Hammer'?
 
Snorri himself probably can, since at Dum we saw that with his new equipment he's basically a force of nature on the battlefield. But he's only one dwarf, and not even close to a match to Grimnir's one-dwarf-army.

But Snorri's real power is the ability to equip an entire throng with runic weapons and armor in a ridiculously short time. He's one hell of a force multiplier.
But not by wandering around in wilderness hunting them which was what was suggested. My point was that sending out a small number of people to hunt the beastmen is futile when it comes to preventing a buildup, that requires a concerted effort from multiple holds so all we can do is assist if the kings decide to do so.
 
But not by wandering around in wilderness hunting them which was what was suggested. My point was that sending out a small number of people to hunt the beastmen is futile when it comes to preventing a buildup, that requires a concerted effort from multiple holds so all we can do is assist if the kings decide to do so.
could still use them to scout out the amount of beastmen then go around warning and prepping nearby holds?
 
Well, I had one question, entirely due to the very differing performances vs the Suneater and vs the Proto-Chaos Dwarfs that Snorri displayed.

If we put a Otrek during the Incursion as 10, and Grimnir at 100, where would the current Snorri fit in? Clad in Barak Azmar and holding 'Flame Hammer'?

I do not think it is reasonable to put Grimnir, a war god on any sort of scale besides mortal beings. I mean where do you rate Anaerion 'where he walked daemons died' compared to mortal elves? Snori is a Lord in WHF terms, Otrek is a Lord, Grimnir is a force of nature. He can only exist in the domain of lore. You should not be rolling dice for him.
 
I do not think it is reasonable to put Grimnir, a war god on any sort of scale besides mortal beings. I mean where do you rate Anaerion 'where he walked daemons died' compared to mortal elves? Snori is a Lord in WHF terms, Otrek is a Lord, Grimnir is a force of nature. He can only exist in the domain of lore. You should not be rolling dice for him.
no no no, you roll dice for him, but they should be made of adamant, have three master runes of luck on them, and all six sides are 1's. :V
 
Our Guard can certainly assist prior to any major engagement. Culling Beastmen scouts, patrol the few overland trade routes, search for potential digging operations, trapping anticipated paths. The usual stuff that an Elite unit of Dwarfs should do. Not to mention the safeguarding of Dwarfs outside the Holds.

Snorri himself has a very funny reputation when it comes to fights. Basically he only comes out when everything has gone to shit and his help is absolutely needed. This might sound weird or accusing, but is probably accepted if not even expected of him, since he has very important obligations to fulfill and the Beardlings should be capable of fighting against the common rabble.

Every time Snorri took to the field he either fought some kind of super boss (First Greedy Troll, Dragons, Kholek, etc.) or fulfilled an oath (Karak Dum, even here he acted as a separate entity to the main Throng). The battles under Grimnir were the only case where he did not take a major role.

I fully expect us to do nothing in this conflict until something completely absurd takes to the field or a major Hold is besieged.
 
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On the subject of retainers, remember that the current dwarven society isn't actually that old. There should be many living dwarves who remember the time before the Ancestors completely reshaped dwarven society.

I am not sure that's really true. Like, even the great-grandchildren of the Ancestors are positively ancient and are among the oldest Dawi alive.

I don't think there's anyone alive that remembers the Ancestors before they became deities.
 
I am not sure that's really true. Like, even the great-grandchildren of the Ancestors are positively ancient and are among the oldest Dawi alive.

I don't think there's anyone alive that remembers the Ancestors before they became deities.
There are however those that remember a time that remembered a time before.
 
I am not sure that's really true. Like, even the great-grandchildren of the Ancestors are positively ancient and are among the oldest Dawi alive.

I don't think there's anyone alive that remembers the Ancestors before they became deities.

From what we know of the timeline, the Ancestors only emerged as cultural leaders about 1,400 years ago, and it presumably took some time to reform dwarf society. Snorri has been alive for two thirds of the time that the Ancestors have been around, I think. Anyone more than a few hundred years older than Snorri should remember the pre-Ancestor defined Dwarven culture.
 
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