Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Grinning is apparently considered masculine-ish here and Men are forbidden from engaging in violence. Could it be that there is some tradition of men being tricksters/thieves? I'm not sure where that would fit. Maybe Crowfather?
Qi's interpretation of Grinning would be masculine here. Grinning itself belongs with Fryja here, as she wields the twin crescent moons as her axes.

The core of the Grinning Moon is resourcefulness, but thats a distinctly urban take on things to focus on cleverness and indirect problem solving, whereas a pre-urbanization Grinning Moon is more likely Mcguyver - able to make things work when you are in a bad situation with no resources.
 
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[X] To the dining hall, to find Meng Dan

Gotta check out the mural that serves as a giant pictorial history book of defining events for the Ice folk and discover what Meng Dan has learned about it.
 
Qi's interpretation of Grinning would be masculine here. Grinning itself belongs with Fryja here, as she wields the twin crescent moons as her axes.

The core of the Grinning Moon is resourcefulness, but thats a distinctly urban take on things to focus on cleverness and indirect problem solving, whereas a pre-urbanization Grinning Moon is more likely Mcguyver - able to make things work when you are in a bad situation with no resources.

I'd imagine the masculine-feminine Grinning dynamic has more to do with the environments. Sure, stealing to eat in a city can be about survival, but it's less inherently aggressive, because it's unlikely that they (or those getting food on their behalf) braved extreme adversity for that food. Treating theft as a form of violence rather than a lesser aggression seems like it'd crystalize as a norm pretty early on and then continue to be seen that way even after they pushed past subsistence, which I'm guessing is why their conception of theft is feminine and Ling Qi's (imported to their cultural context) is masculine.
 
I'd imagine the masculine-feminine Grinning dynamic has more to do with the environments. Sure, stealing to eat in a city can be about survival, but it's less inherently aggressive, because it's unlikely that they (or those getting food on their behalf) braved extreme adversity for that food. Treating theft as a form of violence rather than a lesser aggression seems like it'd crystalize as a norm pretty early on and then continue to be seen that way even after they pushed past subsistence, which I'm guessing is why their conception of theft is feminine and Ling Qi's (imported to their cultural context) is masculine.
Think more that the archetype would be more Clever/Cunning Hunter than Thief.
Setting ambushes, snares and traps for beasts too potent to battle head on.

Theft itself is a relatively late development, particularly at the level of survival against a harsh environment, individual property worth stealing is largely nonexistent. The things they'd steal is fire from the heavens, and the fur off a bear.
 
Since people are talking about it, here's Ling Qi's understanding of the Grinning Moon:
The Grinning moon was many things, it rejected constraints, all constraints, this she refused. It loved cleverness and tricks, and this she accepted. She recalled vaguely a text she had read last year, claiming that the Grinning Moon was not the patron of criminals, but clever investigators. She had found it odd at the time, but she now knew it was not wrong.

The Grinning Moon did not care about goals, it did not care about motivations. Perhaps it's manifestations and avatars did, but the moon did not. The Grinning Moon was a thing of action and movement. Call it a heist or a sting, a casing or an investigation, the moon cared not. It only cared that you acted, that you sought to live and run and fly, to match your mind against others and come out on top.
Looking at it, it makes sense that the ice ladies would consider this interpretation of the moon masculine, since you'd expect a culture that disdained physical altercation among one gender would see debate and wit become a means for that gender to demonstrate their capabilities and settle conflicts. Further I'd expect the aspects of this interpretation to be significantly associated with Koliada, since he seems to be the patron of intellectual and artistic pursuits, which would encompass all that.
 
[X] Toward the stairs, where she could feel Cai Renxiang

I think you guys are also forgetting that Cai Renxiang is also gathering info and will share what she learned as well
 
The core of Grinning Moon is having fun by spooking people. Everything else is secondary. A child who plays pranks because it's fun is a better Grinning Moon devotee than a commander who grimly sets up ambushes.
I always read the Wind Thief legend to be exactly what the Grinning Moon is about. It's about matching your wit against those that stand in the way of what you want, and specifically wanting the freedom to live your life on your own terms. It's about having the confidence to be free and to seizing what you want be that satisfaction, whim, loot, happiness, independence, love or whatever a person may want.

The child does what they want because they want to in that moment, yet even a grim commander can be Grinning if winning that ambush is them living their best life as they'd live it. Like Ling Qi says, Grinning is about the present and living life the way you want it. She disagrees with the Wind Thief's desire for ultimate freedom and in doing so she actualizes her own wants and lives her own life as she and no one else sees fit.
 
I always read the Wind Thief legend to be exactly what the Grinning Moon is about. It's about matching your wit against those that stand in the way of what you want, and specifically wanting the freedom to live your life on your own terms. It's about having the confidence to be free and to seizing what you want be that satisfaction, whim, loot, happiness, independence, love or whatever a person may want.

The child does what they want because they want to in that moment, yet even a grim commander can be Grinning if winning that ambush is them living their best life as they'd live it. Like Ling Qi says, Grinning is about the present and living life the way you want it. She disagrees with the Wind Thief's desire for ultimate freedom and in doing so she actualizes her own wants and lives her own life as she and no one else sees fit.
The core of Grinning Moon is having fun by spooking people. Everything else is secondary. A child who plays pranks because it's fun is a better Grinning Moon devotee than a commander who grimly sets up ambushes.
Naturally, i should point out that the Spirits' natures depend on how they're interpreted. You're both right, basically.
 
Turn 11: Arc 6-7
"To the dining hall I think," Ling Qi said. "I can sense Meng Dan around that way."

"Allow me to follow your lead then Miss Ling," Gan Guangli replied.

"Big Sister, Zhen and Gui and going to go back now, okay?" Gui spoke, surprising her. She looked down at him to find Zhen coiled atop their shell, looking pensive, and Gui looking up at her.

"...Alright," Ling Qi said, reaching down to pat each of his heads once. He seemed really deep in thought about something. Zhengui's form wavered, and then dissolved, returning to her dantian.

Hanyi frowned at the space he had been standing in, but just shook her head and huffed as Ling Qi straightened back up. "Hmph, just running off to nap again huh. Guess I could use a break too."

"Is Sir Zhengui well, Miss Ling?" Gan Guangli asked as they started down the hallway, Hanyi vanishing into her dantian as well. The startled servant in the hall ahead stared at them with wide eyes as they passed.

"He is," Ling Qi didn't think he was hurt or sad, just thoughtful. "Anyway, what did you and Sir Ostrik end up talking about?"

"Mostly the nature of the sun and its meaning to their people," Gan Guangli said, stroking his chin as they walked. "It seemed strange to me that they would acknowledge the sun as a fighter, one who banishes the dark, yet think of his devotees the way they do."

"That is odd," Ling Qi said, frowning. She hadn't really thought of that.

"It seems that it was not always so, but those devoted to their sun's warrior aspect were the party of some great failure or betrayal," Gan Guangli said pensively. "Sir Ostrik did not speak of it directly, but it has caused them to see men as being inherently unstable and violent, and only intense self discipline and pacifism allows them to control their emotions and actions as well as a woman. It is… frustrating."

Gan Guangli sounded aggrieved. Ling Qi had to wonder about what could have caused such an attitude. "Why then is their war aspect still worshipped in their temple?" Ling Qi wondered.

"He is regarded as a bringer of storms and strife, but also fertility. He is… appeased, until the great spirit called Fryja can-" Gan Guangli grimaced. "Tame him each year. It seems that there are some devoted to him specifically as well, but Sir Ostrik would not discuss them. He seemed to regard it as scandalous."

"And he wouldn't want to put any ideas in your poor impressionable head," Ling Qi said dryly as they rounded a corner, and the first flicker of lights returned to the iron halls. A pair of torches lit the way ahead, warming the icy halls.

Gan Guangli grunted in affirmation. "Their Crowfather seems an oddity. None begin devoting themselves to his path. He is a spirit of fall, wisdom, old age and widowers. It seems common for men of their land to outlive their wives, and among their priests, this means making oaths to the Crowfather. They, it seems are trusted to do violence, as they leave their communities to wander, carry news and stories between settlements during the deep winter. They are empowered to hunt demons and outlaws How can one change their way so drastically late in life though?"

"I'm not sure," Ling Qi admitted. It seemed bizarre, anyone of the third realm or above would probably be set in their way by the time they reached old age. Anyone less powerful wouldn't survive outside in the winter, surely?

"Indeed, Sir Ostrik did not seem to understand the question," Gan Guangli grunted, crossing his arms. "We spoke on it for a time, but I believe we only succeeded at confusing each other. I begin to think their cultivation does not resemble ours nearly so much as our senses indicate."

Ling Qi thought back to the girl who had removed her own heart and eyes as an act of cultivation, and couldn't help but silently agree.

"Well, is it really that surprising? It's not like I really follow what you guys do either, you know?" Sixiang said. Ling Qi supposed that was true.

"Still, Although I understand them better, I cannot accept what Sir Ostrik says," Gan Guangli said with a frown. "I cannot accept the idea that a man should be so passive. What use is the strength in my arms if I do not use them?"

"Well, unless our Lady decides you're going to be a permanent ambassador, it shouldn't be a problem, right?" Ling Qi chuckled.

"I suppose you are right Miss Ling," Gan Guangli said. "Now, let us find our companion and hope that he has had a less distressing time."


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They found Meng Dan, standing before the murals in the dining hall, flanked by a pair of the foreigners. It was two women, divested of the thick furs and armor they wore outside, they looked a bit less broad than had been Ling Qi's initial impression. They were still rather thickly built and muscular though. As they approached, she heard Meng Dan say something masked by the pleasant tune of his screening art, and both of the women seemed to laugh.

The dining hall was otherwise nearly empty, save for the quiet servants doing the cleaning and a handful of other soldiers still nursing cups. It seemed that dinnertime was well passed. Ling Qi wondered at that a bit. Did they not lose their appetites as they cultivated? That could be a disadvantage. Then again, perhaps it was simply a cultural or morale thing.

As Ling Qi's wisp fled back to her and she approached the room, one of the women clapped a hand on Meng Dan's shoulder and leaned in to whisper something in his ear. She couldn't get a look at Meng Dan's reaction though. As they entered the room, the women turned to leave through the other exit and Meng Dan turned back to Ling Qi and Gan Guangli.

"Hello Miss Ling, Sir Gan. You've finished your own investigations then?" he asked pleasantly.

"As much as was polite," Ling Qi said dipping her head in his direction.

"Yes," Gan agreed, his voice regaining a bit of boom. "It seems you've managed to find friendly conversation as well my friend."

"Oh yes, these folk are quite friendly and accommodating," Meng Dan agreed cheerfully, turning back to face the mural. "They were quite impressed with my capacity for drink."

"Impressed with your what?" Ling Qi asked, stopping in surprise.

"That is an amusing face Miss Ling," Meng Dan laughed, covering his mouth with his sleeve. "But yes, due to my clan's cultivation arts, I am quite immune to even very powerful befuddling substances. I certainly appreciated the unique flavor of the liquor though. Some manner of barley derivative at base I think. I would need study and time to discern the other ingredients."

Gan Guangli laughed, drawing looks from several of the servants. "Truly not a method I would expect of you sir Meng!"

"I didn't take you for a carouser," Ling Qi agreed.

"I am not, not near as much as my kin at least," Meng Dan replied, adjusting his spectacles. "But the Meng venerate the Dreaming quite strongly. I could hardly be a teetotaler."

"What did you find while you were socializing then?" Ling Qi asked, leaning against one of the columns.

"A few useful things, and very many interesting ones," Meng Dan replied. "For example, I am quite certain that our Prince and mountainfolk were largely the members of this Sibiar polity, rather than our hosts Alaniar."

Gan Guangli stroked his chin thoughtfully. "That is a misfortune then, our arguments will be weakened, won't they?"

"Less than you may think," Meng Dan replied. "Ultimately full agreement of our desired treaty will require conferring with the other members of their confederation, and the two seem to be close allies, or at least I detected no more than a sense of friendly rivalry toward them when speaking with my companions."

"Well, it's not ideal, but I'm sure there's a fair amount of intermarriage between them," Ling Qi mused. If you compared tribes to clans and confederations to provinces, it would be stranger if there weren't familial relations between them.

"Right you are Miss Ling," Meng Dan agreed. "One of my companions mentioned having a Sibiar grandfather. It seems such a thing is not uncommon. More importantly I have managed to discern some other matters. It would be better to speak of them with everyone though."

"Understandable," Ling Qi agreed. "What about their history then? I've picked up a few things but they don't make much sense."

"Now that is a fascinating topic," Meng Dan said, a twinkle of excitement in his eyes. "The mural behind us depicts something of a myth history."

"Like the exploits of the three kings?" Gan Guangli asked, looking up toward the mural.

Zhi the conqueror, Yao the Fisher, and Tsu the Diviner, were the three legendary kings who ruled great kingdoms before the Empire formed, Ling Qi knew. Bai Meizhen and her clan claimed direct descent from the Fisher for example, making them one of the oldest clans in the Empire.

"Quite so. You see here," Meng Dan said, pointing toward the beginning of the mural. "In their early tales they speak of a period not unlike our early histories of misery and woe, mankind living in fleeting bands under harsh conditions. There are few references to dragons and beasts however. Instead, their early cultural foes seem to be these giants."

Ling Qi squinted at the part of the mural he was pointing at. She had taken the dark shapes looming over the ragged wanderers to be hills or mountains in the stylized style, but now that she looked closer she subtle indications of faces and limbs. "I'd say it reminds me of the fortress we stand in a little."

"Indeed, I was able to hear a few tales of the theft of power and runes from these giants," Meng Dan replied. "But that is not what is depicted here. Instead it is the formation of their nation. The inciting event seems to be the arrival of people from 'beyond the gates'. Though it is difficult discerning what they mean by that."

"The young priestess I spoke too did mention something about the arrival of the 'new tribes'," Ling Qi said with a frown, examining the next panel.

"So far as I can tell there seems to be a place far in the south where the material world breaks down entirely into the liminal," Meng Dan said, peering up at the white swathed figures depicted in the mural. "Their legends state that the new fair haired tribes arrived through it, fleeing some calamity. A calamity which followed them and sealed the path behind. This is more familiar ground. Supposedly malevolent spirits descended from the stars and emerged from the 'gates' to make war on them. They seemed to be wraiths of some sort, twisting and possessing other creatures rather than possessing forms of their own."

"That would seem to mesh with my own findings," Gan Guangli said, drumming his fingers on his elbow.

Ling Qi hummed her own agreement. She had wondered why Jaromila seemed so different from her kin in coloration. She had thought it might be a matter of cultivation, but perhaps she just had blood from one of these 'new' tribes.

"I suppose this must be their founding and the building of the gates then," Gan Guangli said, peering at the scenes of war and turning to follow it across the other wall.

"Yes, that is where the most confusing bit of terminology crops up," Meng Dan agreed. "The Polar Gates seem to refer specifically to the great fortification built to keep these enemies out, as well as the spatial anomaly that lies beyond it. Or at least so my translating arts tell me."

"That's definitely interesting. I wonder if that… thing in the sky is a manifestation of that," Ling Qi mused.

"I hope not, that thing gave me the willies," Sixiang grumbled.

"Perhaps. My companions were quiet on the matter and refused to speak of the phenomena in the sky.Some cultural taboo I suppose," Meng Dan mused.

"We will have to investigate matters further then," Gan Guangli rumbled. "Whatever it is, it is a hazard."

"It is," Ling Qi said. "But now that we've found you, Meng Dan, I think we should head back. We need to see what everyone has found."

TBC-
 
Mmh? Not!Europe might be more fucked than we thought if the Stars are still attacking through the Gates and the Gates connect to the Northern Pole as theorized.
 
Gan Guangli grunted in affirmation. "Their Crowfather seems an oddity. None begin devoting themselves to his path. He is a spirit of fall, wisdom, old age and widowers. It seems common for men of their land to outlive their wives, and among their priests, this means making oaths to the Crowfather. They, it seems are trusted to do violence, as they leave their communities to wander, carry news and stories between settlements during the deep winter. They are empowered to hunt demons and outlaws How can one change their way so drastically late in life though?"

"I'm not sure," Ling Qi admitted. It seemed bizarre, anyone of the third realm or above would probably be set in their way by the time they reached old age. Anyone less powerful wouldn't survive outside in the winter, surely?

Maybe they actually mutilate themselves less than the Empire people do, not more...

After all, the body is replacable, while the soul... not as much.
 
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