[X] In her own mind, with Sixiang, pondering the meaning of insights, and the demon gnawing at her heart.
Bond Descriptions said:-6: Hated- The organization will bend a great deal of resources toward destroying you in any capacity in which they are able
-5: Despised- The organization will work against you at every turn and invest significant resources in doing so
-4: Greatly Disliked- The organization will oppose you whenever doing so is both possible and matches with their other goals
-3: Disliked- Members will be poorly disposed toward you and the organization may invest in making your life difficult
-2: Mildly Disliked- Members will be mildly biased against you with some individuals being more so. Mild institutional notice
-1: Negative Notice- One or more individuals within the organization have taken a disliking to you and will likely bend their resources toward damaging you.
0: Unnoticed: The organization has no significant awareness of your existence
1: Notice: One or more individuals within the organization have taken a liking toward you and may seek to aid you in minor situations
2: Mildly liked- Members will be positively biased toward you, with some individuals being moreso. Mild institutional notice
3: Liked- Members will be generally well disposed toward you and the organization may actively support you
4: Greatly Liked- The organization will support you whenever doing so is both possible and does not significantly harm their other goals
5: Revered- The organization will side with you in most situations, and will bend significant resources toward supporting you
6: Loved- The organization will almost always side with you, and will staunchly support you against most any foe, almost without regard for cost.
Mmm, so I'm broadly in agreement about the importance of LQ's underlying drivers like this... but I'm not sure if the logic in the final part here entirely follows?And so comes the Heart Demon. "As long as Ling Qi can't accept that some people will have her back come hell or high water, that she can put her faith in others not to abandon her based on her character instead of her power, she won't ever be capable of understanding that cultivating the Family is the same as cultivating the Self, henceforth bringing the 'Always move forward, stagnation is death' insight into conflict with 'The Desires of the people in my heart must be accounted for'"
The heart demon twitch from this event was derived from "I had to dismiss Renxiang's feelings in order to continue advancing forward". It was the Correct move, and indeed, Renxiang even understood it and said there was nothing to forgive. (And based on the nat 100 miracle, it may even be Renxiang's genuine feelings!)
But Ling Qi can't forgive it, because in the moment she was willing to trample over her feelings to move forward. Even if it was for the better.
though I'll note again that that isn't clearly true for Ling Qi
Paired
- Immunity to Effects which induce Immobility or Helplessness(Bypassed by effects of Rank U or higher).
- +1 Rank to Composure and Resolve.
- Once per Scene, Ling Qi may negate an effect which would reduce an ally of bond 5 or 6's health to zero (Bypassed by effects which make use of Shen).
So here's a very interesting point of comparison from Zeqing's trial back when we got our advanced insight."No," Ling Qi muttered into the dirty street, pushing herself back up to her knees. The world flickered dizzyingly, and she felt her limbs stretch and grow. Was she a child or an Immortal? In that moment she couldn't say. "I can't go back."
Why not? Her own voice seemed to echo back.
Ling Qi struggled for a moment to answer, clenching her hands in the dirt/snow. "Because I don't want that," she hissed. "And Mom didn't want that. Even if it hurt, even if I hated it, didn't it come to a good end?"
The world shuddered violently and Ling Qi's vision went black.
- Renxiang situation is identical to the above. Just apply our existing FVM and advanced insight to it dammit
- the Zhengui promise was a moment of weakness, and we should have told them to stop being babies rather than restricting ourselves (though working on actually working better with him and groups and not running off alone all the time was still the right move)
That's for trying to resolve all the conflicts.I don't see how the second follows from the first. Accepting that tough love can be a real thing isn't the same as saying it must be applied in every situation always. If we get a "Tough Love is valid" insight that forces us to apply it all the time then I fell that would be a failure state.
I imagine Ling Qi's choice to forego one AP a turn earlier in the quest would have pinged the Heart Demon if it had existed at the time. We probably had this Heart Demon coming for quite a while. I think it might have to do with the choices of the questers reflected in Ling Qi's own personality. We are the ones who consistently choose what we think is most optimal, pages of discussion about character growth for us and our companions, but we've also started making sacrifices in that optimality for family and loved ones. The AP vote did jolt the Heart Demon, and the comments about it proves it because it was a vote not about which was the best option but whether we should choose the optimal option at all. So Ling Qi has to define in an Advanced Insight what the questers considers the appropriate way to balance optimizing game mechanics and being a good person.mm, so I've talked in favour of treating the heart demon as a single unified thing before... but here's an alternative reading stemming from the above analysis:
The Renxiang incident is not actually a key part of the heart demon. It's more just a result of that part of our cultivation being metaphyically inflamed, so when we rub up around it it hurts. However, if we'd never triggered the heart demon in the first place, LQ could have actually just made this decision comfortably as consistent with her prior insights. However, because of the heart demon the area around her idea of "how hardline should I go on never hurting friends and when can I justify it" is uncertain and hurting and so this twinges it.
In this way, we might suggest that this incident can largely be handled fine with our existing insights, and as long as our solution to the initial heart demon problem doesn't then cause problems with the FVM and advanced insight then we'll be fine. This is sort of pulling together Abeo's suggestion that the heart demon is giving us false positives, and Aranfan's argument for treating the incidents separately.
toShe couldn't imagine Cai Renxiang approving of the decision to risk that if they didn't have too, especially if it was done only to spare her pain.
you, baroness.
Really, baroness,"Really Baroness, what has gotten into you, speaking such strange things?
enough, baroness
heart'sLing Qi felt the breath driven from her lungs, and her hearts beat quicken to near the point of bursting.
creationShe saw truth unfettered by the thin mask of human flesh and languid wit, the light of creation creation and destruction in all it's terrible glory.
(I can't make sense of this and have no clue with what to replace it. Maybe my english knowledge is just lacking.)/She felt fingers like merciless razor edged shears plunge into her soul, severing some threads to lie on the floor and forth other strings of black.
LiminalIt was the echo of an echo, a child's memory of pain and incomprehension, made as clear as it was only by the nature of the liminal.
else she, too, would be brokenShe knew that the tiny fragment of the Duchess' truth she had witnessed was just that, else she too would be broken.
liege'sShe felt her lieges hand on her shoulder, not quite returning the embrace, but not rejecting it either.
a faint, sourceless gray light (the self-doubt on this one is strong, but it feels right.)They stood in child's playroom, lit only by a faint sourceless gray light.
Cai Renxiang hissed, the point of her saber pressing directly against the spirit closer.
the natural haze of an intense blizzardShe stood on solid stone, surrounded in white, but it was the natural haze of intense blizzard.
Sky'sLing Qi looked ahead and saw Black Skies Yearning, hovering in the air, her mask like face twisted in an expression that was both angry and worried.
something else, too,The ice spirit looked back at her with empty black eyes, and she felt its resentment, but there was something else too, the wariness of a predator that had just been bloodied by its prey.
Sky's
yours, child of winter
spirit'sSilence fell in the wake of the spirits words, heavy and cloying.
your head, baroness,
Of course, Lady Cai
forgive her for what she had done
Sky'sShe supposed Black Skies Yearning was upholding her end of the bargain.
Sky's (You know, at this point I'm thinking the name has been retconned and I should go back to the previous post and edit the name there instead of here.)
Muse'sDespite that, Ling Qi found it difficult to focus on arts like the Playful Muse Rapport when her head was like this.
Playful Muse's Rapport
Muse's
Well, you will have to if you want to vote, as the vote will close later today, I believe. XDUghhhhh, what a vote. I'm not doing thinking about this today :Ü™
Which hews back to the "these conflicts are both different aspects of the same heart demon, and we need to address all of them to deal with it" interpretation. And again I don't think that's a bad reading...The reason our Heart Demon pinged with Renxiang was because people were commenting about the winning option being the practical one, the one that might not have been nice but did what was necessary. Exactly the same comments as when we voted for the opposite with Zhengui, triggering the Heart Demon. So we have to define the line, why was doing the optimal thing right with Renxiang's vote but the good thing right with Zhengui's vote? The Heart Demon didn't happen solely because of our Insights but also because Yrs detected inconsistent quester priorities about a core concept in our cultivation and is making us find some way to reconcile them
I feel like the solution shouldn't be Ling Qi choosing either practicality or goodness over the other. Rather she should define what they have in common. She want to protect her family and she wants her family to be happy, so when these things are mutually exclusive she wants her family to be safe and happy in the long term, and weight these options with this in mind. So if we get told that there will be serious long term consequences for not making that promise to Zhengui then we make that promise. And if we think may be serious short term consequences for not using Renxiang's trauma then we do that. Ultimately making optimal decisions is part of playing a quest, we just have to define what Ling Qi's goal is and what she builds towards.Which hews back to the "these conflicts are both different aspects of the same heart demon, and we need to address all of them to deal with it" interpretation. And again I don't think that's a bad reading...
But I do feel there's an appeal to this alternative reading. I don't know if this apparent inconsistency was intended by yrs, but I feel that the "LQ should already know the answer in this situation" point raises interesting questions - as well as the potential for a more straightforward resolution - that we don't need anything tricky or new to handle this side of the conflict, as LQ already knows the answer. She's just having trouble committing1.
If we can do that then, all we need to do is address the original Zhengui conflict. This could be done, as I've suggested, by also extending these principles back to that decision and saying that in retrospect it was a mistake, but that seems less popular. More popular seems to be trying to work out how to convince LQ that "cultivating family is the same as cultivating the self", which would address that side of things without causing any problems for our FVM/advanced insights that would interfere with our other resolutions...
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1 In terms of basic rules for working out when she should apply these insights and accept suffering for the greater good (note here that her conception of the greater good means "ultimately produces better outcomes for friends and family"), I would suggest the following: Firstly - ask if she would be willing to eat it? Secondly, consider the other's perspective - as they wouldn't necessarily agree. If it she reasonably believes that all would consider it a defensible sacrifice, then proceed. If not then don't.
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I also kind of feel like there are some interesting questions around how LQ conceives of both failures to be "perfect" or "optimal", and her feeling bad about herself and her actions. Like, rn she's feeling bad about herself and feeling that she did something wrong. She wasn't able to get a perfect outcome that had no downsides for her and her friends... I would suggest though that it could be said that her decision can be correct here and that her feeling bad about hurting Renxiang is still a good thing. Like, it verges on my "LQ is flagellating herself because the decision didn't hurt her too and so it makes her feel like she did a selfish bad friend action" theory, but I would argue that feeling bad about things like this is actually good, as it serves as a reminder that such decisions should never be made easily, and should always be well justified. This goes back to the old criticism of the "hard men" that the problem with them is that the "hard decisions" aren't actually hard for them, so they make them too easily.
I guess I'd suggest that to a degree she needs to accept that she won't always be able to be perfect - and that's fine. But, at the same time she shouldn't just dismiss them, and should take her dislike of the situation as both a spur for growth and improvement (#SCS) as well as a reminder never to make such decisions lightly.
Huh, I guess we know where the Compact of Iron came from.But it was not that view which brought them up short. No, it was the unnatural peak that jutted from the plateau. It was a dark grey cone half visible through the snow, too regular to be natural, but too jagged and weathered to seem intentional. It was a heap of smelted iron ore in the shape of a mountain, piled and fused by forces unknown.