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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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That's not the point. We only have 50 Favour with the Cult of Valaya but we have 555 Favour with Otrek and Kraka Drakk.

Also there have been somethings where we can only use the Favour of one faction so making sure we save what little Favour with the CoV is just practical when we can use some of the vast amount we have with Otrek.
That is EXACTLY the point.
I respect what your attitude/opinion is, and that many others would agree.
I do not agree.
I believe in the superiority of the good narrative, over min-maxing/number crunching/resource hoarding.
That is MY attitude/opinion.
Kindly extend me the same courtesy.
 
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[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
 
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal

Sorry, @EVA-Saiyajin, I just enjoy being Dwarf Santa more than I enjoy completing research chains. Snorri's moments of absurd productivity and generosity are the heart of this quest for me.
 
Idle thought on the Otrek favors.

They probably have a useful side effect of binding the new Karak(does it have a name?) not just to Snorri, but to Karak Drakk overall. Because Otrek isn't dumb and would pick up on all the various values of helping a new hold set up.

So forging a minor alliance in the north beyond the usual Dawi "Hey FUCK CHAOS" attitude.
 
I get what you saying but it feels very wasteful and not in tune with the narrative with this. We have a action locked on this for the next eight turns. Blowing all our effort now feels shoddy to me . I would rather mobilize a lot of help from the people who feel they have a debt to us and put in significant effort for a turn or three rather than all at once like we are just rushing through it to get rid of it.
 
I do think we're going a bit overboard on the hold founding but as long as the next few turns are research it's w/e.

Now on the otherhand, Snorri is burning favors with Otrek to lighten his burden but at the same time is about the indebt all of the new hold instead which is pretty funny.
 
I do think we're going a bit overboard on the hold founding but as long as the next few turns are research it's w/e.

Now on the otherhand, Snorri is burning favors with Otrek to lighten his burden but at the same time is about the indebt all of the new hold instead which is pretty funny.
sounds like a reason not to include the favor use then and just use actions, so its all snorri and not from the kraka drakk
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
[X] Plan The Potato Walk
 
I get what you saying but it feels very wasteful and not in tune with the narrative with this. We have a action locked on this for the next eight turns. Blowing all our effort now feels shoddy to me . I would rather mobilize a lot of help from the people who feel they have a debt to us and put in significant effort for a turn or three rather than all at once like we are just rushing through it to get rid of it.
These are 10 year turns. Also considering that the way we can best help is by supplying rune tools and Gronti. The sooner we make them the more impact they should have.
 
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