Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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To add to @CrimsonOddball's excellent post, we know that Life and Death qi are special:
Her friends lips briefly curled in disgust. "Fourth Grade as well, but I would not suggest keeping it. Death qi is notoriously unwieldy and unpleasant," Meizhen looked away, and Ling Qi noticed unsettlingly that it did not reflect her friend as a worn skeleton, but as a pair of greedy golden eyes, staring up from a pit of abyssal dark. "Contact an auction and use the proceeds to fund your fief, but if you must use it, a ward against curses and spiritual assaults would be the best use."

Ling Qi dismissed the mirror back into her ring. "What makes it worse than any other uncommon element?" Ling Qi asked

Meizhen was silent for several seconds, and then shook her head. "Life and Death mark a cultivator more deeply than other elements, and with less investment. I will say no more on the matter," she replied with a note of finality.
We don't have any more information on this AFAIK, but they are worth calling out as special elements.
 
I don't think so. There are basically infinite different types of Qi in FOD. Just look at us, we have music as a qi type. We do have a list have the traditional five elements: Fire, wood, metal, water and earth. Then there are the Imperial Eight: Heaven, lake, fire, thunder, wind, water, mountain, and earth.

I can't remember all of the effects so sorry about that.

Thanks and no worries! I guess it makes sense to want to keep it as open as possible, since there must be an infinite number of Ways open to cultivators

There's a not-updated version here about the diff aspects of qi: Elements


Thanks you!

The Imperial Eight are:
Earth: Devotion and community
Fire: Aggression and passion
Heaven (lightning): Ingenuity, creativity and inventiveness
Lake: Material joy, pleasure, contentment and tranquility
Mountain: Steadfastness, endurance and stubborness
Thunder (sound): Ambition and initiative
Water: Resourcefullness, adaptability and wit
Wind: Freedom, wanderlust and curiousity

The Traditional Five are:
Wood: Life and spontaneity
Fire: As above
Earth: As above
Metal: Stoic determination, calm rationality and steadfastness
Water: As above

There is also the overarching Yin and Yang dichotomy regarding qi, representing opposing aspects of an element
Yin Wood is poison, rot and decay, while Yang Wood is growth and vitality for instance

The Empire commonly postulates that female cultivators naturally lean Yin while male cultivators lean Yang, but this is actually incorrect
WoG on Discord reveals that Yin/Yang affinity is actually determined by temperment, which is in turn influenced by culture
This is why for instance Xiulan has no issue cultivating all the Yang

There are also unlisted elements such as Darkness, which represents desire, hunger, calm and apathy
We don't have any idea how many other non traditional elements there are or what they all reflect


Advanced elements like Music, Cold or Toxin move away from the whole elemental emotion thing and start to reflect concepts instead, Cold being entropy, death and endings
We don't know how many advanced elements there are or what they all represent

Thank you for taking the time to write this very informative answer! I'm just really curious about the spiritual side of the story, and the nature of Qi would help me figure out the answers to a lot of questions I think.

For exemple, the fact that humans can affect the nature of a great spirit kind of implies that they were born from the collective psyche of "sentient beings" in the first place, instead of being natural phenomena, right?

But those same great spirits have types of Qi tied to them (though I am not sure if that's true for all of them) and now it kinda seems like a "chicken/egg" situation, with one answer implying that whatever the source of Qi is, it's reactive to sentient beings beliefs/aspirations/emotions.

And since Advanced Qi seems to be a combination of relatively simpler types (Like Death, Entropy, and Endings for Cold) how crazy do you think it would be to assume that there might be an "absolute" type combining them all at the very end of the spectrum?

... As I'm sure you can guess, I really like the story's worldbuilding.
 
Also its been speculated that the technique that Sun Liling uses is Blood qi but her arts are the only reason fore people speculating that Blood qi is a thing. 🤷‍♀️

Possibly Blood qi, but I actually think it's more likely that she uses Life, especially in her forbidden techs. It certainly fits with the paradigm of the Red Jungle.
 
For exemple, the fact that humans can affect the nature of a great spirit kind of implies that they were born from the collective psyche of "sentient beings" in the first place, instead of being natural phenomena, right?
Many Great Spirits were in fact once human
That is what Ascension is, the cultivator transcends the mortal realm and becomes a Great Spirit or a facet of an existing Great Spirit

Like Emperor An became Inexorable Justice, a Great Spirit of impartial justice and death
Or the many faces of the Moon that are known to the Empire
The Hidden Moon, who was perhaps once a woman who documented the hostile eldritch forces that were the stars​
The Grinning Moon, who was perhaps once a girl who stole the winds from the Beast Gods​
Etc​
And these could easily be merely one facet of said faces, having likely picked up many more over the span of time, Liao Zhu intends to become a new facet of the Bloody Moon after all which is what he means by changing it

And since Advanced Qi seems to be a combination of relatively simpler types (Like Death, Entropy, and Endings for Cold) how crazy do you think it would be to assume that there might be an "absolute" type combining them all at the very end of the spectrum?
Cold is an advancement of Darkness and Water actually, it represents the concept of entropy and the end of all things
There isn't Entropy qi, in so far that Entropy qi would be Cold qi

My understanding of advanced qi types is that they are a more narrow, specific, one could say "purer" aspect of a broader qi type or types
 
I thought emperor An's great spirit wasn't impartial? Seemed more overwhelmingly executioner style which is why Jiao lost his way when he realized what his friend became
 
I thought emperor An's great spirit wasn't impartial? Seemed more overwhelmingly executioner style which is why Jiao lost his way when he realized what his friend became

I think the point is less "He's not impartial" and that "True Objective Impartiality isn't actually a desirable state of affairs for anyone". What with the whole "I'm delegating raising my favorite child to you because I have to carve out my capacity to care to reach White" and all that.

There's some ideas that seem like a great idea when you get started, but then you realize when taken to the extremes required to reach the height of cultivation, really stop being quite so nice.
 
Many Great Spirits were in fact once human
That is what Ascension is, the cultivator transcends the mortal realm and becomes a Great Spirit or a facet of an existing Great Spirit

Like Emperor An became Inexorable Justice, a Great Spirit of impartial justice and death
Or the many faces of the Moon that are known to the Empire
The Hidden Moon, who was perhaps once a woman who documented the hostile eldritch forces that were the stars​
The Grinning Moon, who was perhaps once a girl who stole the winds from the Beast Gods​
Etc​
And these could easily be merely one facet of said faces, having likely picked up many more over the span of time, Liao Zhu intends to become a new facet of the Bloody Moon after all which is what he means by changing it


Cold is an advancement of Darkness and Water actually, it represents the concept of entropy and the end of all things
There isn't Entropy qi, in so far that Entropy qi would be Cold qi

My understanding of advanced qi types is that they are a more narrow, specific, one could say "purer" aspect of a broader qi type or types


Wow thanks again. I had a lot of it wrong, it seems that my Berserk knowledge went and tainted how I thought of greater spirits. Your answers are very interesting and leave me with a lot to think about.



There's some ideas that seem like a great idea when you get started, but then you realize when taken to the extremes required to reach the height of cultivation, really stop being quite so nice.

Like CR and her pursuit of purity. One can't help but wonder just how that could end well.
 
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I remain curious what will happen with Ling Qi as she progresses realms. She's cultivating something at least adjacent to Family, Relationships, or Community and Great Spirits aren't supposed to be capable of any of them.

Or at least that's the Imperial doctrine. The Moon is weird and appears to be a community of Great Spirits?
 
I remain curious what will happen with Ling Qi as she progresses realms. She's cultivating something at least adjacent to Family, Relationships, or Community and Great Spirits aren't supposed to be capable of any of them.

Or at least that's the Imperial doctrine. The Moon is weird and appears to be a community of Great Spirits?

Anything is possible.

The question is 'Is this likely'
 
Ling Qi may be a boost to Spirits and their relations with Cultivators.

There's already been the Spirit > Humanity era, then due to imperial doctrine, now is the Humanity > Spirit relations.

Maybe Ling Qi can bring balance to the Force Familiar Bonds and make it more akin to the way of old, without the trappings of Clan.
 
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Its taken all week but I have finally caught up! Been reading both quests non stop since I stumbled across this story on RR.

Just made an account so I could tip my hat to the QM and say I have thoroughly enjoyed his story so far and eagerly await further installments.

Out of curiousity, is it just people who have been around since the begining who vote? Or can humble initiates such as myself throw our 2 cents in?

Hope I am not being nosy or condescending here, but just in case and because I remember how it was to be the new guy who didn't yet know the ropes of quests, and seeing that you wanted to vote but have yet to vote, I want to inform you just in case that the vote of the last post is still open as of this specific moment, and will remain so until the QM calls it, meaning you can vote about the turn 9 Arc 3--3 post, if you want (as long as the QM doesn't close the vote between now and the moment you see this message)
 
I like the mechanical tweaks. SNR having an A rank tech while Wind Thief doesn't has no particular bearing on which one is better. Since A rank techs are pricey, it's just differentiation, which you expect to see between arts.

As for changes to WWS, I'm a fan. The Cold damage did tell a fitting narrative for Ling Qi as a whole, but it made less sense in the context of the art itself; the change offers a more thematically consistent(and stronger) effect in terms of Wind Thief the art. The wording now seems to imply the teleport isn't strictly conditioned on being attacked, even if it's still the primary purpose, which is a welcome bit of flexibility. I'm not entirely sure it wasn't already working this way, but it's nice to have it more obvious. The ally buff being additional instead of a substituted function is also nice because it avoids the pitfall of self-interest and helping allies being in conflict, which could have echoed some of Ling Qi's hangups on sacrifice uncomfortably.

If there's one change I could make to it, it would be to reduce the range of the ally buff from 100m to something more modest. That's a fairly large area still, equivalent to many of our dedicated Heart/Lung arts, and this art is spine/leg which doesn't support competitive area effects. The fact that the art plays around with space and distance, and the short-lived nature of the boost does excuse this to some extent.

There's also probably more general changes with how the system handles ranges incoming, so no point tinkering until after. But in general, I'd consider this the one area of the tech to keep an eye on and consider reining in post-changes.


[X] The self is a story, and memory is the teller of tales.
Voting! And you know what, I like it. This. It reminds me of some things Xin/Hidden Moon said to us, the insight we gained from Harmony of the Dancing Wind, and Ling Qi's meditations while cultivating Winter Hearth Resounding.

"Never shy from your own experiences. They are the most precious secrets of all, because it is from them that you are built," Xin added solemnly.
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"There is no secret logic behind the world, no meaning or thought that guides it from above," Xin said absently. "Though it is at its most obvious with cultivators, each of you shapes the world with your actions and thoughts, echoing and refracting from the ripples of others actions. Great Spirits are merely the greatest of these ripples."
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"Remember the small moments, the little secrets that you create each day," The Hidden Moon added quietly. "See and study the world before your eyes, and do not fail to account for the little details when building your models, nor come to rely on them overmuch. The future can only be predicted, never read."
Ling Qi had long decided that she would not stop walking the path forward. Even when obstacles presented themselves. Even when things grew difficult. She had decided that on some matters there could be no compromise or retreat, that small endings were both acceptable and inevitable. But she did not want to be alone again.

The words and emotions of her family stung, and the pain in her dantian, that grinding feeling of something broken was real.

She needed to race forward without slowing.

She did not want to be alone.

Her melody faltered as her breath hitched, a sharp pain traveling up her spine. The distress arose from her, but its source was elsewhere. It came from the faint strands that stretched back into the house, away over the hills, where Zhengui rested and Hanyi composed. It came from up in the mountains, where her friends resided.

In moving forward blindly, she hurt others. Through others, she hurt herself. By hurting herself, she had slowed down. This thought circled in her mind, chasing its own tail. She half expected Sixiang to comment, but the moon spirit was silent, respecting her need for introspection.

There was something to that thought, Ling Qi mused, even if it did not soothe the pain in her spirit. It wasn't an answer, just an observation. It was a good one though, she thought. Yes, it might not solve her current problem, but if she wished to avoid further wounds in the future then she could not afford to let her vision be so narrow.

Insight Slotted: Even walking alone, footfalls echo beyond your hearing
Ling Qi could feel the thousand small flames that the arts musing spoke of, each one a hearth in the dark, a small circle of warmth against the cold that lay ever outside. Some were bright, some were dim, some were subtly broken in ways that she could not begin to put into words with only this distant observation.

They were each real, they were each important to those within their light. They were still not hers. Her hearth was below her, in the slow stirring of the morning staff, and her mother rising, preparing to cultivate in the garden. It lay on the distant mountains of the inner sect, in scattered embers, and far, far away in a desert she had never seen.

Even knowing, feeling the reality of those other lights, they did not warm her as this one did. She suspected that they never would. She had come to believe in Cai Renxiang, but it was still a selfish thing. She wanted her family to live in a province that was like what the heiress envisioned.

However, she did not think that this was wrong. The circles were not separate. She saw her mother quietly greet a woman of similar age, trading quiet words in the pre dawn light. In turn, she could feel a strand of connection from the other woman to the houses in the outer village. Her mother's circle of warmth was not hers, and her mother's friend in turn had her own, but there was intersection there.

That, Ling Qi thought, was probably what Cai Renxiang meant when she spoke of patterns and structures, the intersection of a thousand, thousand lights, all suspended in the cold. That was where comfort and companionship and society arose. Shatter those connections, let them degrade and rot as they did in the streets of Tonghou, and the cold came in, as surely as it would through a broken window or an ill sealed roof.

Even if she couldn't care about hearths other than her own, she could see the value in them, the value in not forgetting them, and even in letting them share her hearth for a time, however brief. It was only to everyone's ill that fires were allowed to go out in the cold after all.
I tend to agree with others who point to the potential for understanding others with this insight. It's not just about Ling Qi herself. It's a lens through which to view people in general, and to make sense of their own views on who and what they are. Everyone is the story they tell themselves based on their experience, and these stories flow into and between everyone else's, overlapping just like the warmth from each person's personal hearth.

The fundamental truth of this insight is that there's more to people than is immediately obvious, even to themselves. I think that's a valuable lesson for Ling Qi, who has had a tendency to do herself no favors by lumping people into comfortable boxes, including herself. To borrow a quote from Dreaming Moon, "Humans weave their own strings, forge their own chains, and build their own cages," and the habit of reductive insight into others is a limiting chain on Ling Qi's perspective that we have an opportunity to break, or at least loosen, right now.

Especially paired with the WHR thoughts and the Harmony insight, I see this insight as helping appreciate where even enemies are coming from. Which doesn't mean siding or even sympathizing them necessarily, but should mean not being blindsided quite so easily. Future encounters with alien spirits like the fung-eye collective, traditional enemies like the Cloud Nomads, or even unforgivable foes like Ji Rong can take on deeper dimensions with a look to the narratives they hold as true about themselves and their circumstances.
 
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Okay, so I have made a couple changes more in depth system adjustments are still being tinkered with but for now...

Black Mirror is now an A rank technique, reflecting its level of power more accurately

West Wind Step has been adjusted to this.

OM NOM NOM
NOW THIS IS TASTY

The Empire commonly postulates that female cultivators naturally lean Yin while male cultivators lean Yang, but this is actually incorrect
WoG on Discord reveals that Yin/Yang affinity is actually determined by temperment, which is in turn influenced by culture
This is why for instance Xiulan has no issue cultivating all the Yang

I'm not on discord, but from what was in the threads, I understand that the Yin/Yang bonus to female and male cultivators is real, it's just additive instead of multiplicative, i.e. not remotely definitive. So you can 100% cultivate either and based on your individual personality either can match you better, but when you take 100 boys and 100 girls from the same family with a distribution of personality all over the spectrum cultivating the same one, you'll see power skewed to some degree towards the 'matching' gender.

What if... Spirits cultivate immortals similar to how immortals cultivate arts. And when one ascends they get "slotted", like insights are when an art is completed.
Ooooh I love this way of looking at it.

And insights are not in fact discarded easily (though I won't lie, lore-wise I don't love it that arts are, either)
 
Like CR and her pursuit of purity. One can't help but wonder just how that could end well.
CRX case is super interesting to me because her starting state is so different from other cultivators. She interacted with her mother's full attention to early and that warped her. I would argue that the direction her path is going could be about learning that being perfect, or pure, might not get the results she wants.
 
CRX case is super interesting to me because her starting state is so different from other cultivators. She interacted with her mother's full attention to early and that warped her. I would argue that the direction her path is going could be about learning that being perfect, or pure, might not get the results she wants.
She'll see beyond her mothers stifling designs and grow beyond them.

Like a butterfly leaving it's cocoon.

CRX Nudist cultivator.
 
She'll see beyond her mothers stifling designs and grow beyond them.

Like a butterfly leaving it's cocoon.

CRX Nudist cultivator.
I don't think CRX will ever be a nudist. But, if we tell CRX that Zhao said something along those lines then we can both Bai and Cai plotting his murder. Group activities are fun!
 
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